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cognative shadow Cognitive shadows and shardblades.
Treamayne replied to Entr0pic's question in Cosmere Q&A
The only WoB on the subject is: That said - one of the primary reasons Spren, Seons and Skaze could become a Shardblade is because they are not just Sapient Investiture - but Sapient investiture entirely of their Shard(s) (Seons - splinters of Devotion, Skaze - splinters of Dominion, True Spren - Splinters of Honor and Cultivation (plus Odium for Enlightened True Spren). Cognitive Shadows do not have that. They are the remains of a sapient entity (disregarding the fossil arguement, as that does not really matter here) that is still around, either in Shadesmar (no link to the Physical) or in a Body (Returned get their own, Heralds a new body made of Investiture, Fused by coopting a Singer Body). In all cases, they are not a pure Splinter of any one shard or combination of Shards. So, it's unlikely (but not impossible, until we get more data or confirmation either way) that they could become a Shardblade. Hope that helps. -
Welcome to the Shard. Please consider an Intro Post to let us know what you have or have-not read (whichever list is shorter). Also, please consider checking out the Sharder FAQ for some useful forum info and tips. The Sharder FAQ has a section on that to help I will be a bit sparse, since we don't want to spoil things (until we know what is safe to discuss or not), but know that part of this is shown on-screen in Lost Metal. Slight Spoilers: Hope that helps
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But, also keep in mind that those numbers are in Rosharan Years - WoB: If interested, please see: Rosharan Date System
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Theory: mercy will be/is an antagonistic shard.
Treamayne replied to Entr0pic's topic in Cosmere Discussion
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I think it requires Intent to cut, otherwise all of those scenes with people sticking their shardbalde in the ground (or table or whatever) would have the blade falling all the way down to the hilt after they let go of the handle. WoB: Hope that helps
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This should go in Cosmere Discussion - Which is the spot for discussing anything that references two or more series/shardworlds. Not only extremely invested, already Sapient, so they will resist Storage on two axes. Not only those two, but because the "metalmind" is already filled with investiture, adding more would be like trying to pour water into an already filled cup (partially why Nightblood leaks black smoke, it's excess investiture being pushed out as he tries eating more). And if those hurdles were not enough, you also require Intent. you cannot store into a Metalmind if you do not alreay know what Attribute will be stored, and how that Attribute functions when stored and Tapped (as seen in Bands, when Wayne first steals the spear tip, he does not recognize that is a type of metalmind, because he does not have the Intent required to recognize, see, or access those storages). I won't say it's impossible, because we do not have a WoB saying it is impossible - but based on all known information, I will say it is extremely improbable that a Shardblade could be used as a Metalmind.
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While I would guess it is possible that Harmony may find a way to add a third Shard - I think it is below a 1% chance for that third Shard to be Autonomy. With Sazed's focus on technological innovation on Scadrial, I would hope it will be Invention.
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<Minor Spoilers for Mistborn> (in case anybody has not read that yet) I started with Mistborn TFE in 2011/2012 (that winter, can't recall if it was before or after the Holiday), read that trilogy, moved on to Alloy of Law. . . and almost stopped reading there (two coworkers did stop after AoL - turned out that not knowing the premise for Mistborn was that each era will be a different tech era really hurt the ability to enjoy that book when all you can think is "why is this so different"). Before writing Sanderson off, I decided to try Elantris and Emperor's Soul; and I was hooked. Contined through all published materials though SfSitFoH (which I found by accident since I bought the Dangerous Women anthology for the Molly PoV Dresden Files Story and just noticed Sanderson in the ToC). During this period, I found WoBs and learned that the tech era change was deliberate and meant as a pattern for future eras too. Been reading every thing else on release week ever since WoR in 2014 (and Shadows Beneath - the best version of Sixth of the Dusk) I found the 17th Shard when looking up Glyph information, joined the forum to chime in on this thread - here. Was sporadically active for a few years due to little free time and sporadic internet access. Became more regular on the forums around 2018ish. My first TTRPG was Palladium's TMNT and Other Strangeness in 82 (for those old enough, or insane enough to do the math. . . Yes, this was years before the cartoon aged-down the Content - and the original, pre-recall 1ed). I had heard the name "Tremaine," but had never seen it in print. I thought it sounded great, but didn't know the spelling, so I named my first character (Lab experiment Mutant Tiger) Treamayne. In every TTRPG since them, I've had at least one character with that name. I've used it for everything online since the mid 90s, because that spelling is always available without extraneous numbers attached.
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I did not say he's using Honor's perpendicularity, I said Stomfather is a Perpendicularity when crossing the continent as a Highstorm. I did not write that page, but I'll let the person working on those updates know (or I'll fix it) because we not only have Stomfather's own words (OB Ch 119), we also have a WoB. Do you have a source for this? I can not find anything saying Odium is "one of the best" at Futuresight. All we know for certain is that 4000+ years after Aharietiam, modern Vorinism teaches that "foretelling the future is of the enemy" (in which they entirely ignore or have forgotten that it was a Oart of Cultivation before Odium even came to Roshar). The known Shardic Intents best at Futuresight (so far) are Cultivation and Preservation. Again, do you have a source for this? We have no indication that I can find that Moelach has any futuresight at all - all we know of that Unmade is that he Connects a Dying Soul to Fortune as the barrier to Realms thin for that soul at the moment of death. For all we know, Moelach never even hears the resulting Death Rattle at all - it's likely a Physical Realm side effect of his presence in the Cognitive Realm of a region.
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Wind and Truth Full Book Reactions (Cosmere Edition)
Treamayne replied to LewsTherinTelescope's topic in Cosmere Discussion
Pardon, but that is not what the scene between Kaladin and Sigzil says or implies. OB Ch 35: All Kaladin was saying was that Alethi don't complete forms for "social reassignment" to "document" their sexual orientation. Lopen makes it clear later that same sex relationships are easily tolerated - much more easily that the gender-based social norms of occupation and allowed activities. OB Ch 55: Wind and Truth makes this more clear with the Sarqqin scene, where we learn that the Social Reassignment forms are actually used in Azir for Transgender, not sexual orientation. WaT Ch 60: -
Right, but Stormfather is a moving Perpendicularity (which is how he renews spheres with Stormlight). Kaladin does have a Connection to Tanavast (which is, at least in-part Stormfather) we just don't know the full details yet. He's been called "Child of Honor" and "Child of Tanavast" repeatedly since WoK. Right, but that's the Trelawney effect. Any "prophesy" sparse enough in detail will always be found to have been correct in hindsight because it could reference anything - so hindisght says it was correct in "thing that already happened." It's the Scam artists stock-in-trade - foretell something minor with little detail and the mark will find it was "true" because "this happened." To be clear, I'm not saying the Death Rattles aren't accessing Fortune - I'm saying that something like "Ten Shardblades before a wall of black and white and red" could just as easily applied to ten 3rd oath Radiants fighting Singers at the Shattered Plains (or any other similar event) and that just knowing the Death Rattle would not have allowed TOdium to predict it would be fulfilled at Azamir by Unoathed. There is not enough detail for that analysis before the event occurs. I'm not sure that Moelach did. For one, Moelach is a non-Sapient Unmade - Mindless and doing nothing more thn using the Realmic Transition of Death to take, for example, one pane of what Renarin might see as a possible event and have teh person dying utter what they see in that short frame of Fortune. Having multiple Death Rattles that referenced the Climax of WaT doesn't show that Moelach knew any of those events. It only shows that Fortune displayed many possibilies that all converged on these events with similar outcomes. Which is not the same as Heralds breaking their oaths. Here's the reference (WaT Ch 122): So, he's not even seeing the results of the Oathpact and Ishar's idea here - he's seeing permutations of the effect of Honor over-investing the Heralds. Possible futures predecated on his use and sharing of Power, not the results of Oaths kept of broken.
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Yes and no - those were accomplished by pulling the person into a Spiritual Realm vision, then returning them with little to no time in the Physical Realm having passed. That is very different than using investiture to affect Physical Realm time. Tarvanagian could have (and seemingly did) increased his perception and thoughts to have more reaction time-to-think; but he could not have slowed the Babath assassins or affected their perception of time as he could not harm them (binding) and could not use visions to pull them out of the Physical Realm (lack of Connection). That is not what Moelach's death rattle said: That may be the event that corresponded to the Death Rattle, but the Death Rattle itself said nothing about Azimir and had no context from which to deduce that it pertained to Azimir or to Unoathed. A recurring theme in the Cosmere is that accessing Fortune can be wrong (many possibilities) and that interpreting Fortune can also be wrong (no context). Except he didn't, really. He was wrong on almost every count (except that Taln alone could hold the line - which is the result of teh one that did uphold his Oath).
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Short answer, No. Time in the Spiritual Realm is mutable, and that is how Odium trained Gavinor. Time in the Physical realm (such as Babatharnish Assassins going for his family) requires either specific MoIs (Bendalloy, Cadmium) or very large amounts of Invesiture in the Physical and/or Cognitive Realm (Sel Time Dilation due to the Dor, Roshar Time Dilation due to Retribution changing so much of the planet's Physical and Cognitive structure) Exactly, Taravangian claims such things, but he's fooling himself. From his internal monologue and actions I would guess he's average (compared to his mortal scale Adro devised for him) - just with more access to Fortune (and very little practice using it (and, in my opinion, he does not yet realize his available perception is influenced by his Shardic Intent)). He thinks he is seeing the big picture because he is not currently smart enough to realize his limitations. Afterall, that's how Leras Batman Gambitted Ati - he knew Ruin (limited by Intent) would never be able to predict a future where Sacrifice allowed Preservation to attack him if it killed both Vessels. I took this not as failure to Predict the Night of Sorrow, and more that he didn't realize the full extent of what the Night of Sorrows would entail. Limited by his Intent, he was merely sure it meant he Won - not what form that "victory" would take. Honor could never have used Fortune to see the effects of an action predication of Betrayal of Oaths; both because Honor is less apt at future sight to begin with, and because those possibilities do not match Honor's intent.
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WoB: Part of this is going to be Perception and Intent. In the BoM Prologue, Wax is able to spearate a bullet from a single steel-line into three (cartridge, casing, primer), then push on only the primer. Likewise, if the Misting views that glob of mercury as, for example, 2g of Mercury - then it will be one line pushing on the CG of the aggregate liquid metal. If, however, a line of liquid metal is perceived as separate drops (that may or may not be touching) then each should have their own line and can be pushed independantly. If you like games, check out Puddle, for a physics based game that does a great job showing how various liquids react to differing forces and stimuli. IIRC there is even a few levels where the player is controlling mercury. Hope that helps
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Theory on a certain God Metal's Allomantic effect
Treamayne replied to Roscoe's topic in Cosmere Discussion
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A Search for Forgotten Newsletters
Treamayne replied to StarburstWrapperTie's topic in General Brandon Discussion
I'm guessing you have already found everything in this list. As for newsletters, the oldest I have is "Failed Hot Dog Story" but I do not think we can legally share those stories (or, at least, not on the forums) as they di have copyright attached in the Newsletter email. Have you used the website Contact Us to ask if there is, or will be, a collection of these historical newsletters? By every "story" does that mean you have also read the annotations? Also, if you like the creation process, may I suggest the Shadows Beneath version of Sixth of the Dusk (each story has the final edit, first draft, at least one edit draft as well as the workshopping transcripts for generating the story idea and alpha-read feedback of the story). Hope that helps. -
If you have read all the rest of the Cosmere works, then this choice comes down to personal preference. Technically, Yumi comes before Tress Chronologically (based on current known data - not officially confirmed). Tress is more of a fairy-tale inspired story with lots of random Cosmere Easter Eggs involved. Minor Spoilers: Yumi has a few more wider-Cosmere reveals and while it has less total Easter Eggs, the Cosmere references it does have are a bit deeper. Minor Spoilers: Neither one technically has spoilers for the other. Hope that helps I recommed reading all of your Cosmere books, if for no other reason than convenience (and the interior artwork, maps and other goodies that audio removes - especially Secret Project books where the artwork is integral to the story).
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On a computer - Touch mobile device may differ Click the three-dot menu for your post Click edit When you hover over the spoiler (or quote) header, you should see a four-way arrow on the top-left corner of the frame. Click that Press delete (alternately, you can use copy/cut for your device - e.g. CTRL+X to copy or cut the quote box/spoiler box to paste it elsewhere) Please see the Sharder FAQ for these and other useful tips Hope that helps
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Theory on a certain God Metal's Allomantic effect
Treamayne replied to Roscoe's topic in Cosmere Discussion
How would El have gained access to Allomancy to burn anything, much less Raysium? Also, why would a metal whose Fabrial properties are about conducting Investiture in one direction only have an Allomantic property of healing? A Mistborn may be able to burn any (Identity-free) Godmetal, but (except Lerasium) a non-Scadrian would still have to have some tie to Allomancy to burn any metal, including Godmetals. Lerasium is an exception because the side effect is that it is giving access to Allomancy. WoB: Hope that helps -
Was Shadesmar always beads? and other cognitive realm questions
Treamayne replied to AltonicKeys's question in Cosmere Q&A
No WaT Spoilers were used or referenced Shadesmar for any given world is a combination of the World, the Shards present on the world, and the dominant features as perceived by the Sapiant Races of the world. It's likely that on Roshar, Shadesmar was simply gemstones before the Exodus from Ashyn, because the Storms (and stormlight) were alreay parts of the world, and the Singers already used Stormlight and wove gems into their harstrands. It may have been gemstones before the arrival of Honor and Cultivation - since Adonalsium created the Singers and Roshar with the storms already present (even if the may have been gods were different). Just as Scadrial's Shadesmar is Mist because Leras and Ati created the planet, with the Mists as a major feature of the Scarial. SP5 is supposed to answe many of the Shadesmar questions (knowing Sanderson it will make more questiosn than it answers, though). It should not have been, before the coming of Odium and the wars he instigated - but it could be by now, the burning landscape has dominated Ashyn for millenia by this point. Unlikely, because Shadesmar is for an entire world and the collective perception of that Whole (like in The Emperor's Soul - a whole seen and perceived as a whole, must be worked with by understanding that whole). If any planet had separate Shadesmar variations, it likely would have been Scadrial during The Final Empire - 1024 years of separation for the Southerners may have been long enough for the SoScad Shadesmar to be different (at least in part) from the Shadesmar we saw in M:SH. Unlikely to be possible, as Kelsier shows us, you cannot take the Cognitive representation of an opbect too far from it's physical Self - he mentions losing items from his "pack" that way (becaue either their person used the item or he got too far away from it's Physical self). Should not be a factor, once the object is in Shadesmar, it's Phsycial and Cognitive self are likely to align together - after all you don't see a dozen beads chasing Adolin on the way to Lasting Integrity because he has a dozen swords in his bags. The "bead" is not separate from the physical part, just as the "flame" is not separate from the person's soul - so, just as you do not see a little flame on or around a human in Shadesmar, the "bead" that is the Cognitive representation of a physical object becaomse part of that object as it enters Shadesmar. They are one thing This is also likely part of why "real" items are so much more expensive than Manifested ones - it's a cohesive object with both mind and body in one shell, both in Shadesmar This is less certain, but it seems likely that a physical object would only appear in Shadesmar as the way that world's objects appear in Shadesmar. After all, while it is technically possible that Drifter had zero off-world items on his person when he passed through the Well, it is very unlikely that is the case, but we saw no objects displaying a non-Scadrian shadesmar perception form. Drifter, his clothes and perception were all Mist Likely unable to leave, but this question has a specific WoB - and that WoB is RAFO: This is answered (at least in part) in Mistborn: Secret History - though the mechanics on Scadrial are unlikely to apply to other worlds because the whole planet, and everything in/on it were made by Ruin and Preservation so they each have a bit more Innate investiture and other things going-on. Hope that helps- 1 reply
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Absolutely cool. But yes, if you do a search you will find a lot of threads on this topic (or discussing it OT to a related Thread).
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It is most likely that Terken is simply a slightly invested shell (probably from the very same micro-fauna on the Sand - but keyed to the identity of the Greatshell) because we see in Ch 10 the (likely) Luhel Bond for controlling sand is very tenuous with any invested object contacting the ribbon* causing the bond to break and the sand to go stale (turn black) - which is exactly what happens with Terken items - they react the same as two opposed ribbons striking each-other head-on causing both to break the bond, go stale and turn black. *Ch 10 Summary:
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I think the answer to this question and is entirely subjective to what a person looks for in stories. For example, to me, Tolkien does not even make my top 10 list. I recognize the great contribution Tolkein, Lewis, Wells, Verne, Asimov, etc. have made to speculative fiction - the macro and sub genres would not exist today without their efforts (even if both Sci Fi and Fantasy go back to antiquity - the defined genres rest firmly on these works and authors' shoulders). Just like Scientific progress - could Newton have made strides in the Laws of Motion without the work of mathematicians and physicists that preceded him? No. Would we have the current Cosmere without the works of Tolkien and Asimov? No. Is Sanderson a better storyteller? Subjective yes. If you want 90 lbs of background material for a 2 lb story - Tolkein is that. If you want wide arrays of stories across Millennia of in-world time that, somehow, all come together to a cohesive whole in the last 3 books? Asimov is that (and a major Cosmere inspiration). Brandon borrows from both, and does those things better than either one could - but he does not do all that those two have done; thereby making any direct comparisons fallacious in any context other than personal preference. Hope that helps
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The Skybreakers have been collecting deadeye Plate and Blades since the Recreance, so they can have Hopefuls (those that have said the first ideal, but not yet been chosen as Squire to a Master) conduct missions for the Skybreakers (theoretically to hide the fact that the Order was still operating and bonding Spren - with access to Live Plate and Blades). It is implied that most Hopefuls never progress past this point (including Helaran). Helaran's Shards were on-loan from the Skybreakers.
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How Did Wayne Shortchange the Man in Bands of Mourning?
Treamayne replied to Through the Living Hopper's topic in Mistborn
This kind of question can go in either location. Generally speaking, Q&A is for questions that should have a definitive answer (rather than theories) and the individual boards are for any kind of discussion. The idea being that others searching for their question first can search Q&A and easily find an answer that has been marked by the OP as "best answer" (which will make it display first - Mistborn Example) - though that relies on people using the forum search (which is explained in-depth in the Sharder FAQ) Though Wayne does not actually short-change the man (see below) - the scene is a fictional representation of a real-world Con (also shown in movies like My Cousin Vinnie) where the person tries to quickly change pays and returns to get more back than paid (usually done as a customer, rather than vendor). In Theory, Brandon did not have Wayne actually take the extra money, because Wayne is about "trading, not stealing" (he just wanted to practice the Con). BoM Ch 4: Hope that helps
