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Probably accurate (or at least in the ballpark). WoB: What @Frustration said, if you meant getting the perk while not burning Copper. I didn't interpret the question that way.

I don't disagree. I was merely adding the WoB to your statement about how Continental Drift applies to the continent when plate tectonics are absent.

Was it this one? This doesn't work:

Except for the whole "Continental Drift due to Crem deposits and erosion." WoB

This could very well be a "reference" to the Night Angel Trilogy by Brent Weeks

@Tamriel Wolfsbaine - I doubt that bolded section is true. I'd bet that while consuming and forming a body, they create a spiritual Connection to the bones. Just as they would need to have a Connection to true bones to form their Identity around them. And I'd bet that @Stormtide_Leviathan's comment is how that Connection is formed.

Please see here and here. Not Precisely the same, but also not significantly different

There's a third option that, while I am unsure of the viability, should at least be considered: That all participating soothers gain a connection to the Koloss and may control them. In which case the relative strength of the soothers would probably only matter if they were trying to give contradictory orders to the same Koloss. Well, in that case it was Ati stealing control (as opposed to cooperating to gain control), which is likely how an inquisitor felt when Vin or Elend stole control of a Koloss they had. *** Some Relevent Era 1 sections: WoA Ch 47 - Vin Controlling TenSoon WoA Ch 54 - Vin Controlling koloss HoA Ch 65 - Shows how an inquisitor can be controlled HoA Ch 69 - Implies Marsh led the Koloss to the Village that Elend defended in Ch 51 So, with Koloss Vin feels them in her mind and feel's their bodies as extensions of her own. With Kandra, she feels all of that, but also sees through their eyes and experiences "being in two places at once" (similar to Gold Shadows, maybe). With Inquisitors, she can glimpse their thoughts and gains an understanding of their mental/emotional state I think this progression shows how with more spikes, the act of gaining control becomes more difficult; but the quality of control becomes more complete, and likely more difficult to control multiples (though we never see an allomancer control more than one Kandra or Inquisitor at a time) which may be why TLR didn't just Sooth/Riot control all of the inquisitors - having to see through scores of eyes and think the thoughts of scores of minds would likely have been beyond anyone but a Shard. Even a fullborn compounding sliver has limits - or at least a limit on what can be tolerated for long.

Your head-canon; your rules. Nobody can say how the powers would interact in such an environment. Futuresight(FS)/Atium may play out how you thought on Page 1 (which is when I realized it was four pages and skipped to the end); but since Force FS has never had to deal with an opponent that can alter the future based on Fortune and Glimpses into the spiritual realm, it is just as likely that Force FS would fail to work or even cause damage to the Jedi trying to sense information from a realm to which they have no Connection and cannot possibly understand (Ref: the 10 seconds that Fuzz showed Kell Fortune that left him pained, gasping and unable to think). Which is why speculation like this is useless, because it will always come down to: Realm A - A wins Realm B - B wins Realm C - cannot be determined, so the thread will drag on in arguments and flame-wars as people just blindly try to "reason" a way to make their favorite the victor.

Well, where is the fight? I understand that you are very pro-Jedi; but location is a thing, and with the Cosmere, location matters.

Depends on what you mean by "widely known:" By Era 2, I doubt the number of people who read the actual words of founding is rather low (< 10% I would guess) Compare to "classics" and religious texts IRL Just because people have heard the name "Hemalurgy" doesn't mean they know much about it The Words don't have much detail (they mention steel and pewter spikes, but nothing about how to place them) If the Words of founding had much information, why would it have taken Kelsier and Spook so long working together to figure things out Hemalurgy is extremely difficult (see the bolded section at the end of the excerpt below) Excerpt from the Words of Founding:

Didn't read the whole post, so if this was already covered - I apologize: I would expect this to be like other "different universe" battle speculation. If the confrontation takes place in the Cosmere, the Mistborn wins; if it takes place in a galaxy far far away, the Jedi wins. Example WoB The Force in the Cosmere would either not work, or would have to conform to Cosmere constants (like Fortune, Connection, Identity and the Three realms). Allomancy, in Jediverse, would either not work or conform to whatever standards and limitations that magic uses (Copper, Atium, etc.)

Also, keep the person/POV in mind. Shallan "speaks" with objects when trying to soulcast them. When Manifesting them (such as in Oathbringer when linking beads to get from the gate to the "river" land or manifesting objects on Notum's ship), her experience is more akin to Kelsier's experience in M:SH. Communication with an object's Cognitive Aspect may be a function of the Surge of Transformation more than a feature of Roshar itself.

I can see that, but also consider that the warcamps are very much the exception, not the rule. IRL, if a "staging base" is located in an otherwise low-to-zero population area, then it is also entirely dependant on outside food sources. That doesn't mean the country and culture fielding the army has decreased on the DTM scale. When you except the Warcamps, Alethkar proper has been population stable, as far as we know*, for a while. I know I'm only considering the population aspect, not the technological and medical aspects so it is not a complete picture by any means. And Alethkar is only one of many nations, so I doubt all nations on Roshar are at the same point in the scale (Kharbranth is likely firmy in Stage 3, for example, if just due to medical care and population stability). Though, in my last post I forgot to mention that one major factor that should be considered is how much the Highstorms affect DML considerations. Without a Lait or other formation to protect aganist storms, you probably can't have a new city crop up. Farmer's can't just move and settle an unclaimed area for farming unless they have a way of protecting themselves and crops from storms. A generalization of "most regions are late stage 2 or early stage 3" is probably as close as we can get without culteral/regional/statistical information we don't yet have. *What I mean by this is that there have been indications of large population growth/decline in any interludes or flashbacks - except the random massacre or three. . .

I would lean more toward an in-world version of Stage 3 if only because: (spoilers through RoW)

Agreed, mostly Don't forget that he started with a much higher than normal amount of investiture. It's also possible that the "is [Nightblood] consuming [investiture]" comment isn't about incorporating what's consumed into his form, as BS (when not tired and distracted such as signings) is great at non-answers. This could simply mean that because he only consumes investiture from the person holding him and the "evil" he "destroys" - that one-person-at-a-time is a very slow way for him to "consume" investiture. I think we agree on the relevant portion though - that, if he consumed a form of anti-investiture, it's nature would be changed; whether incorporated into his form or released as black smoke to return to the system.

Definitely not, though I want to wait until we are closer to the release date before I reread Era 2, so I reread Era 1. Next I'll reread Seven Kennings (Kevin Hearne) in anticipation of book 3 (once I am sure the August release date is confirmed).

Nothing wrong with reading slow. Especially when it is enjoyable and you want to milk every last detail. That said, I try to read about 1000 pages a week. I don't recall how long it took on my first read through, but I would say about a week. On re-reads I go a bit quicker than I do on my first read of a book (but also sometimes get distracted cross referencing details, especially if it was something I missed/didn't recall on/from a previous read).

I'm curious why you are curious. . .

This WoB may apply: It implies the consumed investiture is not incorporated into Nightblood. So, I would guess that if a reaction were to be a ploblem, it would come if Nightblood were trying to consume and investiture and anti-investiture at the same time.

You may consider: Separate M:SH recap into two parts (separate at Part 6 Ch 7 - when Vin Ascends); as most Kelsier tie-ins to Era two are after that point, and recapping it in light of the recently finished Bands of Morning may be beneficial. Plug in a recap for each E2 novel (AoL, SoS, BoM) after each book but before starting the next (maybe combine BoM and second M:SH - if you split them); specifically to talk about Era 2 generalities, learned realmatics and ways that Scadrian Investiture is changng/adapting. If anybody is interested, I made a reference correlating M:SH chapters/section to Era 1 events (See below). I used this to actually edit my personal epubs and splice the SH sections into the correct locations so that my Era 1 Omnibus now has all 5 stories (I included Eleventh Metal as well - no splicing obviously, but SH is aligned to story time). Nobody really *needs* to go that far*; but, if interested, you can just read the SH chapter at the closest compatible location: Spoilers - because I also reference the applicable E1 event to which that chapter correlates * I did it as a project to work on my xml coding and practice editing epub files

Yeah, it ambiguous. However, while you didn't use spoilers and you don't intend spoilers; the very nature of speculation can easily lead to spoilers (as has already happened in other threads). I'll leave it for the Mods to decide, since they are the ones that can move it.

This probably belongs in the Secret Project section

Well, to be fair while I neither like nor believe her "character arc" (see above): TWoK: Reveals the "Parshmen are voidbringers" and gives us our first glimpse of Shadesmar. Stumbles upon the Ghostblood assassination of Jasnah (though this is mostly luck). Really, I consider Shallan's sections in TWoK to be Jasnah's story - but since telling it from Jasnah's viewpoint would be too many spoilers we needed an outside view. It really makes more sense in that light. WoR: Introduces and links the three of four main "secret societies" (Sons of Honor, Skybreakers, Ghostbloods; except the Diagram is revealed through Interludes and Moash), find Narak, finds the Oathgate and figures out how to work it. OB: Drives away Re-Shapir, confronts Ashertmarn, figures out how to soft-manifest beads into shapes for moving in Shadesmar without the ship, learns to actually manifest items in Shadesmar and acts as the de facto Spren ambassador for the group. RoW: Kills Iali and destroys the Sons of Honor, finds Kalak and gets Cosmere 101 training. She does have accomplishments, but that doesn't make her chapters easier to read.

Similar, yet so different. I also find Shallan to be my least favorite main character(*) in Roshar. Like TCU, I prefer Shallan's chapters from TWoK and WoR. I dislike the Shallan chapters in OB, and RoW was only slightly better. For me it basically it comes down to: Early in TWoK, Shallan really evokes the type of people I knew in the Military - first time away from home (especially an oppressive/abusive home) and really just a bit unpredictable and weird; mostly because they are in the process of trying to find how they interact with others when not under the (real or perceived) social pressures of home. The "Theft" subplot seems much more far fetched on the first read-through than it does on a second (and subsequent) readings after having seen the flashbacks in WoR. If she had the strength to poison and strangle her father to protect Balat, then I can believe she would design such a long-shot plan to protect her family In the first two books, you can almost feel the tug inside Shallan between her instinctual reactions and the learned-supressed-reactions When Veil is introduced, it's just an illusion and "role" Then we get to Oathbringer - supposedly only a week (or less) after the end of WoR. Suddenly, Veil is a competing identity, then adds Radiant for, uh, why? The DID, and Shallan in OB just never felt like a logical progression from the Shallan of WoR. I actually re-read her first few OB chapters (the first read-through for OB) because I was convinced I missed something somewhere. Basically, I find it difficult to suspend disbelief for her situation. Dissociative identity disorder is rare, and DID where all the personalities are aware of all other personalities are even more rare; so without black-outs and missing time or a personality that is cut off from the others, all of her chapters feel to me like somebody trying to pretend they have DID rather than somebody actually struggling with this illness. Besides, BS missed the chance at a great hook of giving us a chapter or two from one of Shallan's personalities without revealing it was Shallan right away (and having "Shallan" experience the fallout from blackout and missing time) *Note: I say main character because I dislike Jasnah and Lirin more, but neither are main characters (yet)