hoidhunter

Totally...that's pretty cool anyway...have an upvote for sharing...

I'm going to use the same explanatory cop out that I did earlier and just say...how do we know that he didn't find water along the way? The book doesn't say that he did...but it also doesn't say that he didn't. Different direction... There has to be some way that Sazed's journey can be possible without grasping at too many straws...What about this: When storing speed in steel, what actually happens is that a field of energy forms around the outside of your body that makes motion more difficult, therefore slowing your movement by varying degrees depending on how much you are storing. Motion is therefore not required in order to store speed...the mere act of having this field active is enough to store speed. This also explains why thought speed is not slowed or increased when storing or tapping speed from steel. When tapping speed, this field assists your body's motion, literally pushing it for you, in order to make you move faster. Again, motion is not required in order to use speed that you have stored...the very act of having the potential assistance in place uses up your reserve. This also allows you to move your body at incredible speeds (well past the limit of what is physically possible for your body to move on it's own) without actually using any extra metabolic energy.

So...I'm going to go on a separate tangent... The Tor website description of the book mentions mounting tension between the 4 major religions. The book is called shadows of self. We know that Miles was being driven or influenced by something. I am pretty sure that there is a WoB where Brandon says that the title has nothing to do with slivers...but maybe he is trying to misdirect us... Follow me now... Pathism = influenced by Sazed (harmony himself) Sliverism = influenced by Rashek (sliver of infinity) Survivorism = influenced by Kelsier (WoB that names him a sliver) Tellism = ? (who could it be?) (Ati does have a tendency to hijack religions for his own purposes)

What up dude...you should join the hazekillers...you get a tinfoil hat and get to design your own hemalurgically altered wolfhound...

Oudeis...we're all friends here...there is no need to get upset. If my last post offended you...I apologize...that was not my intent. The point that I was trying to make is this...while he was not well supplied with food before he begins his journey...we get no insight into what happens along the way until his journey is almost over. Nor does he ever specifically mention having enough...or a lack of...food to complete the journey after the fact. This being the case...I'm operating under the assumption he ate enough not to die. Is it possible that my explanation is wrong, and that steel somehow gave him the caloric energy that he needed to survive the journey...could be. Is it possible that this is just something that Brandon didn't really consider thoroughly enough when writing...maybe. I don't know. I'm just trying to form a theory that avoids calling it a shortcoming on Brandon's part. Not because that would be horrible...but because it isn't much fun to just say..."poorly conceived magic." So...let's get this conversation back on track...while running your body uses quite a bit more calories that going at a brisk walk. Furthermore...a slow, easy going gait will keep your metabolism burning at an even lower rate. Now everyone has a point were they are burning calories just to live...I believe it's called resting rate. A slow, easy pace is not going to produce a much higher rate of consumption that your resting rate. They key here is...Sazed can use as much speed as he wants...and in doing so...doesn't necessarily have to put much effort into his motion in order to travel much much faster. A slow pace that doesn't raise your pulse very much may not have you covering much ground each day...but it would if you spent 2 hours of each day walking at that same easy pace accelerated to x50...the miles would just fly by, and you will would not be exerting yourself very much. That's the idea anyway... by the way..."Sazed uses steel for a solid week, covering an incredible distance (my nook is dead and charging; if someone can find the quote and put down actual numbers there's an upvote in it for you)"...I found the quote from the book...can I have an upvote? Second by the way...what does obtuse mean? (you see what I did there?)

Hmmm...ok...bees...lots of bees...

Short fuse flash bang...cover your own eyes and ears...they can't dodge sound and light...follow with a gas grenade and bullets. Checkmate.

I should have taken the name as a given...oh well...silly question. Welcome to the shard. Have fun embracing the nerdy wonder that is sanderson fandom...By the way...be careful what you read on the forum...you have a lot of material left to read...and I for one am terrible with my spoiler tags...

I know that no website is spamproof, but the 2 pieces of spam that I have seen come up are really weird. Black magic love, and indian marriage counseling. What exactly is the 17th shard's demographic. And they are always in general cosmere discussion...how strangely appropriate. When I see this kind of stuff...who should I notify? I tend to be up late.

See...I thought that chaos was just being nice...then I looked at the dates...necro...

He also went out in a suicidesque blaze of atium...how emo..

Hey...welcome to the forum...have an up vote for being new. Question...allomancy or feruchemy?

Warbreaker...I just found it to be less exciting that a lot of the other stories...It's not that I didn't like it at all...it was just my least favorite...I'm pretty sure that it was written primarily to give us Vasher and Nightblood...you know why...

off the top of my head...I believe what happens is that Vin sees an Atium shadow pass through her head from behind and ducks under the blow that follows...but that doesn't mean that suprising one is impossible. After all, Vin did kill Zane while he was burning Atium with his eyes wide open facing her...(I know, Vin is an incredible killing machine) but this does prove that this is possible. You also have to take into consideration that atium burners are not ALWAYS burning Atium...so the element of suprise is probably the best tactic. That being said...there has to be some way a normal person could beat a seer...aside from just killing them when they are not expecting it.

I know this has been going on for a while since you posted this...but...."In just six days of travel, using steelminds on occasion, he had traveled the equivalent of six weeks' worth of walking." soon after "He hefted his pack, which was much lighter than it had been." What makes you think that he didn't eat or drink anything along the way? This whole conversation is revolving around how steel could have supplied his body with the fuel that it needed to make the journey faster...but at no point in the story does it say that he made the trip without eating. It actually says (see above) that he didn't even use all of his speed in one big dash...just that he used it from time to time while making the trip. I feel that my explanation of temporal manipulation it totally still on the table.

Being lactose intolerant...drink gallons of whole milk and store the nutrition in a bendalloy mind...tap in order to summon terrible lactose farts at will...

Feruchemal ability to store identity would come in handy...he's right there...but nobody pays any attention to him...

Go to a book signing and ask Brandon a cosmere question you know he would ordinarily RAFO... Enter competitions for things you have never practiced doing and compete blindfolded... Have as much unprotected sex as you want without ever worrying about the consequences...

Had to go with WoK. It sounds cheesy...but everything about Kaladin shaping Bridge 4 into an elite fighting force just gets to me for some reason. Also...(even cheesier) the scene where Kaladin decides to help Dalinar's army and speaks "the words" strikes a chord somewhere deep inside of me. I tried to read it out loud to my wife and kept getting choked up... I really liked WoR...especially since it seems to further the plot of the story a lot more...but...how can I say this...WoR Kaladin really bugs me...at least through most of the story until he gets out of his funk...now...I understand that my reaction to this is the result of good character development on Brandon's part....but it just wasn't that much fun for me to read Kaladin as someone who was dishonest...and even a little whiney...vs overcoming depression, self sacrificing, leader of men Kaladin from WoK.

Now...I'm terrible at hunting down WoBs...so I'm not going to. But...I believe that there is a WoB out there in regards to feruchemal speed where Brandon says that the upward limit of how fast a steel runner can go is created by wind resistance and friction. I don't think that your body simply being super fuelled would account for the ability to move THAT fast. Now I know that you put a little disclaimer in your opening post asking for people to not use the explanation "it's magic"...but...it totally is. I mean...how do your scientifically explain ANY feruchimal power? Even the simple ones like bendalloy make no sense scientifically. It literally turns your body into a black hole for food and drink.

Like Moogle...I have always viewed the use of feruchemal steel as being similar to the temporal metals...but with the area of influence limited to the confines of your own skin. Focus less on what is going on anatomically and think more in terms of temporal manipulation. Example: A pulser can create a time bubble that decreases the progression of time on the inside of the bubble. If a pulser uses this ability to make an entire day pass in just a few minutes...they're not starving, dehydrated, and about to wet themselves when the bubble drops...despite the fact that 24 hours has passed on the outside...only a few minutes has passed on the inside. So I guess what I'm saying is...When storing speed... it appears that your movements are slower, your pulse is slower, your breathing is slower...but this is only when looking from the outside. In actuality, your body thinks that everything is normal...it's just passing through time slower than it usually does. Taking more time to do things than usual. So then...when tapping speed...if you would ordinarily be able to run a 10 minute mile (depending on how much speed you are tapping) you can now run a 1 minute mile. When finished running, you are still physically tired, short of breath, and thirsty like you usually would be...you've put the same amount of strain on your body that running a mile usually does...you've simply performed the same task in less time. If you can ordinarily run 3 miles in an hour before falling down from exhaustion...when tapping speed...you would still be falling down from exhaustion after crossing 3 miles...you would simply have crossed those 3 miles in 10 minutes. Does this make sense? I have no idea if this is the real deal or not...it's just how I've always looked at it...

While I can obviously see how this parallels the idea of hemalurgy...on a side note...I hove to point out what an incredibly bad idea this thing is. I mean...it's literally a water wheel that is powered by your blood...which requires that it be stuck into your veins...which would suck. I may be wrong...but I was under the impression that they have been making watches powered by the motion of your body for years know. Why would you be so uptight for electrical power that you stuck this thing into your veins...instead of say...riding a stationary bike for power?

Well...I always like to see people putting their ideas out there...even if I don't entirely agree with them. So here's an upvote for putting yourself out there... I'm not with you on the Hoid is Adonalsium's consciousness thing...mainly because...it just doesn't feel like it fits to me. But aside from that...In Liar...we see hoid (midius) as a man (one who made a bid for leadership of his primitive tribe and lost...and was therefore cast out). We have it in WoB that Hoid was present when adonalsium shattered...and I believe that Liar takes place BEFORE Adonalsium shattered...so...if Hoid was the mind of adonalsium in the scenes of Liar we have gotten to read...he certainly isn't aware that he is the embodiment of godlike power in the universe...and would henceforth make a poor controlling consciousness... It's kind of lame to say...I love to theorize as much as anyone...but with so much story left to be written...I really have to wonder if it's even possible to extrapolate important facts like the true nature of adonalsium or hoid this far in advance. It seems like Brandon is pretty good at being tight lipped about anything that could potentially spoil a story before it's written...and let's face it...this is THE thing that ALL of the stories are about.

you know...you may be right...I think the event is immediately followed by her thinking something about "I was right about those eyes..." However...couldn't it be possible to do something like this though. I mean...burning atium comes with an increase in though speed and reflex that allows you to process the information in time to react to it...but would it be possible to overwhelm the atium burner with so much information that they just couldn't make sense of it? Or at least reacted poorly to it? Also...is the element of surprise a viable strategy for fighting a seer? I mean...they can see a few seconds into the future...but they can't see behind themselves right?

upvote...just because...I like how much thought you have put into this... While I'm specifically talking about AoL era Scadrail...not much Atium around...I couldn't hurt to have a few tricks up your sleeve to deal with a seer. I'm saying that the best way to kill a seer...is to slip them some poison. It's dirty...but it will do the trick without getting into combat with someone who can see the future. In terms of how to deal with them in a combat situation...did I read a WoB somewhere that says that aluminum bullets don't make atium shadows?...baring that...dynamite is hard to dodge if the blast is big enough...Vin also uses handfulls of pewter dust in order to make giant obscuring atium shadows...