DreamEternal

Delicious lies...

In the portuguese translation of Mistborn here in Brazil, TLR is the "Spark/Ember of Infinity" because there are not enough words that talk about a piece of a broken whole that can be taken seriously. EDIT: I don't consider it a "mistake" myself, since the way Slivers work make "Ember/Spark" more fitting in my opinion.

A nice one that reminds me of Lin Davar, but is actualy more similar to Szeth's plans for <WoR spoilers> Poster above: you just post the web adress of the video, assuming it is on Youtube.

I believe that after a Lightweaver is broken, bonds a spren and says the first oath, they already start fully capable if using all their powers, only needing (much) pratice to unlock them. However, the bond rewires their brain in a way it becomes much more capable of deceiving itself and repressing memories, making it very, very easy for them to regress. The truths are how a Lightweaver who regressed rogresses back to where they were.

And nothing says the mysterious third system isn't of Cultivation. I want to know why almost everyone here thinks it is the voidbinding chart.

Some of us theorize that was how Kaladin created that wave of force after speaking the second oath.

For liking to discuss philosophy.

While there may not have been time periods without conflit somewhere in the world, many nations on earth have had long periods without war, and most cultures don't see the very idea of peace as a bad thing.

I think you are confusing Atium and Lerasium. The whole end of HoA hinged in the fact the soldiers who were stricken the most by the mistsickness could now burn Atium. Now that there are no Seer mistings, I'd suppose only mistborn(who also don't exist anymore) can burn atium.

The Ars Arcanum and multiple WoBs imply there is another system besides surgebinding and voidbinding, and the fact the symbols seem so similar to the ones in the KR chart and there is a woman in the borders were the Heralds used to be makes me think it is a chart aligned to Cultivation.

Are we sure those were void-glyphs? Why do most people assune that is the voidbinding chart?

That is very untrue, actualy. War advances enginnering and science only as long as it provides, or seems to provide, an advantage in the short term. No one in their right minds researches the cure for cancer during a war instead of making and researching long-range missles.

Yeah, I may have worded myself to strongly by saying it is always evil. Despicable and horrible may be better words.

Trell's religion was more like a one-man cult than anything.

And Nalan plans to use his Skybreakers to go after those arrogant mortals who dared to not forswear? That does sound interesting, althought I would prefer to think that Nalan's Skybreakers are the real deal. Anyway, I myself don't think the theory I posted here is likely, but you do have to admit the strange similarities between the Truthwatchers and the Hierocracy.EDIT: I am trying to add a link to this thread to my sig, but it doens't work. Can anyone help? EDIT2: I think it works now.

Lashings work on completely different ways than Iron/Steel. With allomancy, you are appliyng a force on a object like you were physically pushing or pulling it with a long invisible limb. With the surge if Gravitation, the surgebinder does not push anything, he just sticks a lashing to the object and the stormlight does all the work. To put in simply, Wax pushes the floor to launch himself like a catapult threw him. Kaladin durectly lashes himself to the sky, and just flies away.

We know that even orders without transportation or soulcasting can look into shadesmar, since Kaladin once did it. I just think they are working together with the Truthwatcher spren in shadesmar and after some kind of ritual asked them to send one to Renarin. No compeling, only cooperation.

Well, Preservation may have created the lerasium willingly. The existence of mistborn was part of his Plan.

The hammers didn't glow. The men with tge hammers did.

It has a little more oxygen concentration than earth, but neither of those is enough to justify greatshells. The gravity problem is solved by their bonds with anti-gravity spren like the ones from skyeels, while the oxygenation may be complemented by stormlight.EDIT: poster above: Fabrials use spren, you know...

WARNING: I AM NOT SURE IF I BELIEVE THE FOLLOWING THEORY IS TRUE, BUT I WILL TRY TO CONVINCE YOU ANYWAY WARNING2: THIS IS NOT A "RENARIN WILL GO EVIL" THEORY, EVEN IF IT MAY LOOK LIKE THAT You must be wondering the meaning of the title of this thread, and your minds must be wandering throught dark places, as did mine as I conjoined the pieces of this Frankenstein's Monster of a theory. I'd post the fragments that lead me to these (mis)conclusions, but my e-book has been misbeheaving. 1.What we know: 1.1: The Hierocracy suppressed knowledge from before the Recreance. 1.2: They tried to conquer the world with a justification scarily similar to Dalinar's commands to unify. 1.3: They were very secretive, esoterical and claimed to have the power of prophecy. 1.4: Many of the precepts of modern vorinism were created in opposition to the Hierocracy. Now, things get interesting: 1.5: We know an order of Radiants did not forswear, but entertained great subterfuge at the expense of the others. 1.6: The Truthwatchers were secretive, esoteric, and did not readily share knowledge or speak of their actions. 1.7: If Renarin is any indication, the Truthwatchers have the power of prophecy. 1.8: While we know Renarin couldn't have progressed to whatever is the truthwatcher equivalent of a second oath knight until some time between bonding his shardblade and entering the big duel, we have no idea how long he has been bond to Glys. 2.What this thread is about: To put it simply, the Truthwatchers were the order that didn't forswear, instead slowly fading from view and taking over the church. After the Sunmaker defeated the Hierocracy, they disappeared again and infiltrated the Ardency and various governments and secret societies around Roshar, becoming a conspiracy within other conspiracies. Knowing the son of one of the most important men in Roshar was compatible with the order, they contacted him in secret, perhaps while Adolin and Dalinar were at Shinovar, promising to heal his epilepsy if he joined them and became their sleeper agent, to act as an intermediary with the new orders if so they wished. Of course, Renarin is neither a traitor nor an idiot, and the Truthwatchers knew that. So they taught him, told him part of their goals, let him know they weren't telling all the truth, and allowed him to refuse to cooperate if he wanted. They convinced him he was protecting his family and gaining the opportunity to follow his dreams, but at the same time could walk away if he wanted. And they never told him enough for him to be a threat, and he knew it. So, after they decided he would prove loyal enough, they secretely sent him a spren as part of his initiation. A spren who would give him forbidden powers, leave him in fear, drive him apart from others. A spren that, after remembering enough, will send Renarin back to them, where he will be welcomed by those who truly understand him, and he will become one of them. A Hierocrate. EDIT: changed the last paragraph, since it was supposed to be about possible future events. EDIT2:I think I may have convinced myself. Still unsure. EDIT3: 3.Amaram Strikes Back: One glaring flaw in this thery I forgot to adress is how the Sons of Honor, who want to bring back the Hierocracy, are connected to the Truthwatchers. Since the SoH seem horribly misguided, I'd say they aren't truly directly descended from the Hierocracy, but a group of people frustrated with modern vorinism who want to bring back the "good old days", and are most likely being manipulated by Odium. The true Hierocrates are just shaking their heads in disbelief and trying to find a way to use them to their purposes, whatever are they.

Well, I don't think he is that modest. After all, just after ascending he started seeing himself as God. Not a god, but God. Plus, in SoS he tells Wax he can call him Lord, or Harmony. Not Sazed or anything. Of course, it also means he sees himself as Harmony, not Sazed, so in a way Harmonium follows the pattern.

How is Kel any different them? The only thing I can think is whatever they behead rich or poor people.

You get Terrible Destruction!!! *Inserts bafflement at the workings of physical beings.*

Pattern says that sentient spren were less common at the time of the Recreance, and most were bonded. He also said the Stormfather survived. In my opinion this means most of the power became more spren and part of it was absorved by the Stormfather, who became the shadow of Tanavast.