Kasimir

See what O7 Ok. Last thing, yell at me if I'm on again as I gotta go do my presentation but I had a thought. Strikes me that the Elims are maybe a bit risk averse (notice no Crimson doubling, regardless of Drake's alignment, and no one on Roseite) - multiple taking Verdant would seriously screw them over, which is maybe a good sign wrt Faerie, though it's also apparent who said/was going for which. Perhaps they also didn't want to have to explain taking Roseite, though that feels a bit whatever.

I'm willing to admit it's not a high confidence read but it boiled back to E!you not wanting to give the Village anything for free. I'm willing to work with it for now. I also agree that compiling info is pretty low effort so you aren’t ride or die rn. Just to confirm: were we supposed to see Aeo take Roseite then? IDK if I can get on anymore prior to rollover so for the sake of having it somewhere: <TKN, Drake, Aman, JNV> V reads with varying degrees of ? Raven — had a good vibe from one post but strikes me as having his attention elsewhere TJ — No read, potentially but disliked TJ claiming an endgame sus applied to the start of a game Faerie — Shut up Drakebro Still felt overhedgy potentially. Maybe especially so in light of D1. Royal — Hard to read new player. Comparison needed. Sheep onto Aeo ??? No read — Hairy, Aet

You're allowed to change your orders multiple times until the Turn ends so this is more "don't feel like it" which is reasonable enough. Awkwardly, V!leaning Aman and still wanna V!lean Drake. Acknowledge Aman on Drake's E!range but Drake just kind of feels more grouchy and petally when he's Evil I look forward to being wrong about both of them.

Gorlog's saggy ba- bags. I'm getting old and sloppy. @Sart - Can people still pull a Lotus in this game? (i.e. Does collecting of a spore happen at the same time as the exe? I'm specifically asking because say the top exe suspect guns for Crimson/Roseite (yes I know, just humour me) - and is killed in the explosion. Does the next top exe suspect then get exed?) You're probably supposed to wait for Sart to do that for you as you could get roleblocked/redirected, meaning no PM then. Actually Sart second question - for Verdant oversubscription, is the following cycle an entire cycle or just a single Turn?

FWIW my current theory is at most one opportunist on the Aeo train but I'll take a look sometime later if I can. (I don't think it's too farfetched as prima facie, it's a five vote train which is fairly sizeable. I had a theory about TKN because I kind of don't know if E!TKN just sheeps onto Aeo or pushes that way - maybe some commitment given E!TJ but I lean against it based off TKN's wariness/reluctance to aggressively defend teammates. Not sure. Need to recheck if have time.) Have to finish a report today and a presentation tomorrow first so not going to be too fussed to make it. Edited to add: Nothing really stops it from being two but I have a hard time seeing the theoretical pressure to double up here unless it's to save E!TJ, and even then...

Sorry bro, the only reason I stayed in this game was to play with you and TJ. Drake is chopped liver ig serves him right for a late sign-up I specifically took a Sunlight Spore to be able to PM one of you and my current order is to PM you. Lemme know if I should change it so we don't waste the spores.

Let's work out the delta here. Pretty sure it checks out, but I'd just like to confirm: 4S, 2Z, 1R, 1V, 1C. Leaning a little V on JNV. They had the time to grab a spore but didn't bother to show up and chime in, which I feel more positively about as compared to their QF performance. Also what's with the early cycle end - is it Daylight Savings or something? Actually, suppose: On the weak assumption Elims didn't want to double, I'm gonna assume the Sunlights are not as likely to be teamed. Feels a bit more tenuous for Zephyr. Interesting that Hairy, Aet, and TKN all declined to take one.

Pre-Sleep Thoughts: -Not fond of Royal sheeping. Do not feel there was an explicit argument I made and unless Royal V!reads me (why?), there should be no reason to go onto my vote just because I feel I've sighted an E!tell. Would not C1 Royal because Royal is new enough I think the courtesy protection remains. -No real Raven read atm. I liked the sincerity of one of Raven's posts but that's more a vibe check than anything. Do you not feel that kind of pre-flipping is more an endgame move than an early game move? -Aeo has felt strongly opportunistic and I'm wary of barracking. - @Amanuensis Bro, am interested in your take here? -Would like to hear from TKN wrt Hairy. -I actually don't necessarily love Faerie's posts so far. Faerie has felt very hedgy. If I've the time (later, need sleep rn), I want to go check against her previous games because the hedginess feels ??? cf. Undermines own Raven read. Washes out to null. Null+ for not agreeing with Raven take - but why? (I would argue there's not a necessary connection in that you can disagree with her Raven take and think she's V, or disagree and think she's E, so stringing them together in this context makes me wonder what you are thinking about.) Also first sentence reads like keeping options open and I'm not very fond of it. Would like to hear more. Goes back to the sense of keeping options open tbh. I really need to do a Faerie comparison when I have the time/after sleep. Drakebro, shut up I am not taking space faerie crap from you again Edited to add: Extra point I suppose - Drake's playstyle shift is fair but dampening my ability to read him. Still, in respect of that, I'll erode my credences a little.

Chinese shipping do tend to be like that Nice to not need to regrind it now though!

Why? Curious where your Hairy read is at. Hmm. It's weird but it's what Raven tends to do. A whole reason why Archer accidentally cleared Araris early on in the AG thinking Araris was Raven for the early Smoker claim. The defeater here is Raven didn't claim in the QFs, though that in itself is also telling. In light of which: Aeo. Unsure if this is fully the E!tell that I was told about, but we'll see. Why? (At you and @RoyalBeeMage.) No one here tends to do NKA and we don't have Ash around. Without NKA, it's more discussed exe pressure that gets us finding Elims. (There's second and third layer implications based on whether they prefer low info kills or noise kills but suffice to say neither makes it easier for us.)

It's not a contradiction if he was using inclusive-or.

Fair. I think if you can only choose to take during the Day XOR Night, then everyone should pick Day (but this isn't a strong feeling, as there's a Village case for being screwy; nonetheless I think the capacity for mech-solving helps Village just a tad more.) However, Sart also says: So he probably meant inclusive-or here. In other thoughts: I'm considering a Verdant or Roseite grab here but the heart wants what it wants and right now my heart wants to burn the sick and twisted in Heaven's purifying fire rickroll Drakebro in PMs Or Aman. Or TJ. I'm not picky.

Why? It's in the rules, c'mon One per Turn.

Yes. Every spore has an associated negative for oversubscription. For sunlight, it's that our votes become random — @Sart is the following day D1 or D2 supposing it happens today? Also all PMs are closed. Considering if there's value in everyone consenting to a Verdant oversubscription tbh. Knowledge that everyone is RBed for the next cycle means we can force the Elims to lose a tempo or at least exclude most players from having made the kill. Edited to add: Probably not worth it at 4 Verdant but something to KIV for future cycles IMO.

Tfw you angst about whether you should drop out and then pass out, effectively making the decision from paralysis >> Initial thoughts: -On the one hand, like speed of Aeo's reaction wrt Drake, on the other hand Aeo should know better by now. Minimally NAI for Drake. Probably V lean a tad wrt Aeo. -My heart wants to V read Drake for boldness despite also believing it's NAI for him. It's possible I just never want my bro to be Evil -Mild positive feeling off Aman and TKN starting off running. Probably better valence on Aman than TKN. Tbqh not sure why—might just be reflective of my greater uncertainty wrt TKN. -TKN wouldn't remember because he died early in LG83 and was Evil in LG73. The mechs are similar here but key differences are scarcity and tragedy of the commons. God I really thought I couldn't play this game and I don’t know how to feel about discovering that no matter how much you don't want to and are forcing yourself, the basic reflexes are still there

On the one hand, good to remind myself I don't have to bring my A game. On the other hand, have really never felt this far from game mind. On the third hand, you're all short of players. Bah this shouldn't be so hard.

I'll stay in for now but will probably drop to a pinch-hitter if we meet the minimum. Sorry guys. Love this ruleset but just not in a mafia mood and just came off a Village game where I went semi-inactive by my standards.

Bah, should I stay in >> I can meet a two post minimum per Turn and will always vote/send in actions but haven't felt this demotivated to play mafia in ages.

Not really in the mood for an SE game. Someone @ me if it's go-time and you still can't make numbers and I'll decide then if I can commit. Dw, won't be a pity sign-up. Edited to add: Sigh okay. Sign me up as Kelwin, a rather indifferent (defected) gunner from a Ducal militia.

Would pass to Sart. He already has a game approved and ready to run so lag is minimal. I don’t have the bandwidth to fix the last set of patches with Devo at present. Edited to add: If Sart doesn't take it soon and we still want to decrease lull, I have a relatively simple ruleset that can be run on short notice. I'll just leave the Star Wars game for some other time.

Wasn't this the conclusion of MR67? Archer in MR67: "I'll follow Kas on E!JNV as Kas seems to have a sixth sense for JNV." Archer in QF70b: "Nah V!JNV it is" I think my conclusion is: -IDK how tf I read JNV and it bothers me that IDK -IDK how tf I read Aman and I'm starting to think this is the same Insane Troll Logic (thanks Drake) category as my JNV read because Aman was pretty clearly V for me -IDK how tf I read Drake and it Also Bothers Me because he abused this to get me to claim Seeker N0 without scanning him and I'm never letting him live this down And also read him V via Insane Troll Logic pretty much off the bat here. Therefore I know nothing Therefore I have arrived at the beginning of wisdom

Nulled - I think Neil has a point wrt lack of TMI (would expect player like Raven to overcredence) but I also just feel that Raven's early reads certainty felt off and Raven still ain't doing a usual Raven thing. Uhhh ah crem gotta rush to get this out - basically would not go today feelsbad to exe players trying for self-improvement (if this is what it is) but otherwise...ehhhhhhh

Edited to add 2: I feel this. Uh, it's a swear Aman used in AG10 that I thought was really entertaining. You might not have noticed as you died pretty early that game. Either AG10 or MR67. Not remembering atm. I just like the sound of the word. It's got a certain cachet/flair compared to sibilants or fricatives.