Mid-Range Game 51: Come On Down To Irontown

[Kasimir he/him]

Alright, so as I said - I know the Avalon/SE hybrid ruleset can be confusing for players, so my attitude for this game will be proactive clarification.

11 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Also, to the Tineye: please be very secretive about the fact that you know all the elims. Don't do what I did and forget that the elims want you did and can kill you at any moment and therefore win the game.  

Unlike QF40, the Elim team in this game don't have a special assassination kill or something like the Kohga kill (hi Illwei! ) - but keep in mind that if the Elim team knows who the Tineye is, the game is effectively lost for Team Village.

11 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Anyway, @Kasimir can we vote on ourselves for the Worker Leader thingy?  If so, I nominate StrikerEZ as the Worker Leader.

Nope, self-voting is not allowed for either Worker Leader votes or elections. Nice try, though

Reminder to all players:

-I am taking submissions for the write-up and you are eligible each cycle as long as you have made one (1) post

-I reserve the right to not include anything that doesn't work [=many possibilities including the fact you are treating the write-up like a Tineye message] in the write-up 

-Please send me your submissions in your GM PM. 

-You are also allowed and encouraged to send me a short statement/article you'd like run in the write-up in the event you get elected. If you don't, Khassid will find something suitable and Wyrum will criticise it  

Edited June 25, 2021 by Kasimir

[StrikerEZ he/him]

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Unlike QF40, the Elim team in this game don't have a special assassination kill or something like the Kohga kill (hi Illwei! ) - but keep in mind that if the Elim team knows who the Tineye is, the game is effectively lost for Team Village.

So...what would happen if the Tineye did just claim?

2 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Nope, self-voting is not allowed for either Worker Leader votes or elections. Nice try, though

smh my head

I just went and read the rules, too.

[Archer he/him]

*casually prewrites RP while Kas gets the turn up* I swear Wyrm is a made up person crazy Kas just thinks is real. :P. 

Not only am I Zelda, I'm also the Tineye! 

This format is new to me, so my instinct is to defer the Worker Leader role to Tani, who I believe has experience with this, based on their pre game comments. Tani 

I think the general strategy will be to not trust anyone who supports an elim's election to the Council. Obviously some of the votes will be from villagers, but if we stick to that, after the first elim gets in it'll be hard for a second to be elected without some serious wooing from the evil guys. Which should be easy to spot. 

I'm guessing it's a 2v:1e ratio. You can't have so many villagers that it's impossible for elims to get in, but the village is more prone to inactivity and confusion, so they need a decent chunk of the group. I'm thinking 6 elims, because with 18 players that's a nice round third. I'd believe 7 though. Once an elim shows their hand it's really hard for them to regain trust, so it might be they need a lot of people to have a fair shot. 

I feel like the standard sus n' trust discussions will translate fine to this, but we'll need to put more effort into verifying our trusts. It'll be weird not to be able to threaten people; without an exe, people won't be prompted by self interest to vote. Which is thematically fitting. Speaking of which, time to RP.
*
That morning, a note was pinned to the bulletin board of the bar.
"A year ago today, a preventable workplace accident cost me my vocal coards. But it didn't take my voice. Now frail of body, I feel abandoned by the management of our company. Demoted and cast away without compensation! I beseech you, my fellow workers, to heed my call and join the Union so that none of us will be left behind in our moments of need."
The notice was signed, Chalkboard.

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

Well hello everyone! StrikerEZ

This is almost definitely going to change, but I think I should get the ball rolling on this. Striker’s past two posts have seemed  very village to me, and since we want to Elevate (or whatever it’s called) as many villagers as possible, well, yeah! Your village-iest read should probably go in red, and your second-village-iest read should go in purple. Unless I’m missing something. brb, I’m gonna go read the rules again

Edit: Elected, not Elevated. I was close.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Szeth_Pancakes

[Kasimir he/him]

11 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

So...what would happen if the Tineye did just claim?

It's their funeral. I'm a GM, not a babysitter 

Less snarkastically, this game is built on manipulation and deception, and Avalon games often go wild with mass roleclaiming. I'm reluctant to intervene in any way that will allow players to draw inferences, so I will be hands-off. I'm not averse to calling the game if it is very clearly won by the Elims, but I'm just going to be upfront that my bar for that would be quite high given how many mindgames this format allows.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Kasimir

[+Lotus she/her]

This is KAS radio, providing coverage of everything going on in Irontown today. What’s it looking like, Jim?

Well not much has happened yet, but that doesn’t mean their won’t be news worth covering later today! We’ll keep you posted, just stay tuned to KAS radio!

[Mat he/him]

Archer I think wouldn’t suggest the Tani Worker Leader plan so quickly if he were elim. Unless they’re both elim. @Kasimir is your alignment revealed after you’re elected?

[Kasimir he/him]

5 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Archer I think wouldn’t suggest the Tani Worker Leader plan so quickly if he were elim. Unless they’re both elim. @Kasimir is your alignment revealed after you’re elected?

Alignment yes but not role.

[Wyrmhero he/him]

25 minutes ago, Archer said:

*casually prewrites RP while Kas gets the turn up* I swear Wyrm is a made up person crazy Kas just thinks is real. :P. 

The truth is that Kas is a made up person crazy Kas just thinks is real. Wyrm is real. Wyrm is love. Wyrm is life.

[Archer he/him]

10 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Archer I think wouldn’t suggest the Tani Worker Leader plan so quickly if he were elim. Unless they’re both elim. @Kasimir is your alignment revealed after you’re elected?

This is fun, it's like a reverse poke! Thanks, that's a good conversation starter. I'm not disputing your village read of me, but I will say I probably could have come up with reasons to vote for pretty much anyone. Tani is the best choice, but I could have made a pretty similar post for like Illwei because they also have off site experience or Araris because they're level headed or something. I'm not reading too much into this because I think you wanted to just kickstart things, but it felt pretty fast and easy. Mat trusting me always feels sus though :P. 

1 minute ago, Wyrmhero said:

The truth is that Kas is a made up person crazy Kas just thinks is real. Wyrm is real. Wyrm is love. Wyrm is life.

I don't think it's a coincidence that that response took about as much time as it takes to make a fake account. I'M ON TO YOU, KASYRM

*

Another note was posted by teatime. 

Our factory procures the raw materials to make a heavy pipe for 15 boxings. After we work on them, they sell the finished product for 30 boxings. Obviously we add half the value of every finished product, so why are we only paid three bloody boxings a week? - Chalkboard

[Kasimir he/him]

5 minutes ago, Wyrmhero said:

The truth is that Kas is a made up person crazy Kas just thinks is real. Wyrm is real. Wyrm is love. Wyrm is life.

No, that's tea. You are awful >>

I just forgot I existed the other day so I can't comment on Kas's existence though.

[|TJ| he/him]

1 hour ago, StrikerEZ said:

Anyway, @Kasimir can we vote on ourselves for the Worker Leader thingy?  If so, I nominate StrikerEZ as the Worker Leader.

Purely for the self vote, Striker's most likely to be village. I've observed that selfishness is a trait for villagers, and been seemingly all modest and humble and altruistic is more likely to be an elim trait. That's because I've done with myself the only time I was an elim with Mat, when he gave the Crossbow in a very unselfish manner to Reading in Archer's QF

And I remember reading El's Lord of the Rings game with the similar mechanism of electing, in which elim Fifth oh so unselfishly wanted to vote someone else in, got trusted because of that, and got himself voted in xD

Now I know you can't vote for yourself in the game, but Striker thought he could and he did, which makes me read him village. Teeeeny bit worried that Szeth voted on him too, but that seems like a poke (?) election? xD

Matrim thought process to read Archer are village seems solid.

Edit: Is that purple too dark? I bb-code typed it in.

Edited June 25, 2021 by |TJ|

[Steeldancer he/him]

I am a clear, excellent, non-corrupt person that you should definitely vote for. When you vote for me, I'll make sure that the factory sees increased pay, better work hours, more breaks, better safety, and a bathroom that is actually regularly cleaned. Those who don't vote for me will be the ones cleaning said bathroom. This is what I call the Fair Steel Deal. Vote for Steel today!

Endorsed by the Steel Worker Leader office. 

[Mat he/him]

35 minutes ago, Archer said:

Mat trusting me always feels sus though :P. 

Smh

But I’m voting on you  

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

Just now, |TJ| said:

And I remember reading El's Lord of the Rings game with the similar mechanism of electing, in which elim Fifth oh so unselfishly wanted to vote someone else in, got trusted because of that, and got himself voted in xD

SMH outing all my good elim strategies so they can’t be recycled  (I’d note that in that game, in which I was evil both times, the aforementioned strategy got me elected via hammer in the first run-through, and not at all in the second, so it’s really less effective than you’d imagine) TO THE FACTORY OWNER KNOWN AS STARRICK STOP

41 minutes ago, Archer said:

I think the general strategy will be to not trust anyone who supports an elim's election to the Council. Obviously some of the votes will be from villagers, but if we stick to that, after the first elim gets in it'll be hard for a second to be elected without some serious wooing from the evil guys. Which should be easy to spot. 

This discussion took up probably half of MR38b over whether Bard could be trusted, who had helped Corrupted!Ulmo!Stink get onto the Council via a last-minute vote, and surprisingly the people who were most dogmatic on this point were evil. (Including me. ) So while I get the basic idea behind this, and probably wouldn’t put anyone up for election *immediately* after they voted in an elim, we should have some flexibility or the Elims can win just by manipulating all the villagers onto a teammate, staying off themselves, and then getting elected by staying in the smaller pool of more “trusted” players. YOUR RECENT STRUGGLES WITH THE FREED SKAA HAVE COME UNDER THE ATTENTION OF CERTAIN SCADRIAN NOBILITY STOP

47 minutes ago, Archer said:

I'm guessing it's a 2v:1e ratio. You can't have so many villagers that it's impossible for elims to get in, but the village is more prone to inactivity and confusion, so they need a decent chunk of the group. I'm thinking 6 elims, because with 18 players that's a nice round third. I'd believe 7 though. Once an elim shows their hand it's really hard for them to regain trust, so it might be they need a lot of people to have a fair shot. 

If Kas took cues from MR38, I’d agree here. That game we had 5/17 Elims in round two (I think?) and still had an awful time trying to get any of our own nominated  THEY HAVE AGREED TO USE THEIR VAST EXPERIENCE IN DEALING WITH THE LOWER CLASSES TO AID IN THE RESOLUTION OF THE SITUATION STOP

37 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Archer I think wouldn’t suggest the Tani Worker Leader plan so quickly if he were elim. Unless they’re both elim. @Kasimir is your alignment revealed after you’re elected?

Why, exactly? I fail to see how that plan is AI at all. This seems like an overly hasty trust. SUCH INTERFERENCE HOWEVER WILL COME AT A PRICE STOP

21 minutes ago, Archer said:

I don't think it's a coincidence that that response took about as much time as it takes to make a fake account. I'M ON TO YOU, KASYRM

The preferred terminology is Wyrmimir   THE NOBILITY INVOLVED MAY BE CONTACTED THROUGH THE OFFICE OF THE LABOUR UNDERSECRETARY TO ARRANGE A MEETING STOP

17 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Purely for the self vote, Striker's most likely to be village. I've observed that selfishness is a trait for villagers, and been seemingly all modest and humble and altruistic is more likely to be an elim trait. That's because I've done with myself the only time I was an elim with Mat, when he gave the Crossbow in a very unselfish manner to Reading in Archer's QF

Eh…yes and no? I’ve always had distaste for approaches which clear people for suspicious or suboptimal behaviour, as it’s in the interest of the village to look and behave like villagers, which includes altruism and looking for other people to trust, but in this case I agree; the first person everyone should want elected is themselves.  (Except perhaps the Tineye or Watchman, but that’s a separate discussion.) That being said, the way this game operates, you have to find someone else to trust, or your participation is meaningless. So those altruistic people will be the ones advancing the game if everyone else is just saying “hey, look at me, elect me!”  PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT ANY DAMAGE TO THE UNDERSECRETARY OR LACK OF REPLY TO THIS MISSIVE WILL BE VIEWED AS OCCASION TO ASSIST THE STRIKING WORKERS STOP

9 minutes ago, Steeldancer said:

I am a clear, excellent, non-corrupt person that you should definitely vote for. When you vote for me, I'll make sure that the factory sees increased pay, better work hours, more breaks, better safety, and a bathroom that is actually regularly cleaned. Those who don't vote for me will be the ones cleaning said bathroom. This is what I call the Fair Steel Deal. Vote for Steel today!

Endorsed by the Steel Worker Leader office. 

In the interest of not cleaning said bathroom with my creaking back and arthritic hands, Steeldancer. (This vote obviously subject to change.) And Striker, because why not. YOUR COOPERATION COMMA PROMPTNESS COMMA AND WILLINGNESS TO COMPROMISE WILL BE OF TREMENDOUS HELP AS WE LOOK TO DIFFUSE THE SITUATION QUICKLY STOP

[Kasimir he/him]

4 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

(I’d note that in that game, in which I was evil both times, the aforementioned strategy got me elected via hammer in the first run-through, and not at all in the second, so it’s really less effective than you’d imagine)

*smirks in dynamic infodump exit*

6 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

If Kas took cues from MR38, I’d agree here.

Obviously can't confirm or deny this but I will remind players that this current game is a fusion of the MR38 election system and QF40 ruleset, so it is not guaranteed to function as the predecessors do - or more importantly, as a standard SE game does.

Please also be reminded that both Elected Villagers and Elims will share a doc so do be careful about what information you share even after Election.

True mindgames never end. 

[StrikerEZ he/him]

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Not only am I Zelda, I'm also the Tineye! 

What if we all just claimed Tineye, that way the elims will have absolutely no idea who actually is the Tineye.

1 hour ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

Well hello everyone! StrikerEZ

This is almost definitely going to change, but I think I should get the ball rolling on this. Striker’s past two posts have seemed  very village to me, and since we want to Elevate (or whatever it’s called) as many villagers as possible, well, yeah! Your village-iest read should probably go in red, and your second-village-iest read should go in purple. Unless I’m missing something. brb, I’m gonna go read the rules again

Edit: Elected, not Elevated. I was close.

 

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

Purely for the self vote, Striker's most likely to be village. I've observed that selfishness is a trait for villagers, and been seemingly all modest and humble and altruistic is more likely to be an elim trait. That's because I've done with myself the only time I was an elim with Mat, when he gave the Crossbow in a very unselfish manner to Reading in Archer's QF

And I remember reading El's Lord of the Rings game with the similar mechanism of electing, in which elim Fifth oh so unselfishly wanted to vote someone else in, got trusted because of that, and got himself voted in xD

Now I know you can't vote for yourself in the game, but Striker thought he could and he did, which makes me read him village. Teeeeny bit worried that Szeth voted on him too, but that seems like a poke (?) election? xD

Matrim thought process to read Archer are village seems solid.

Edit: Is that purple too dark? I bb-code typed it in.

 

19 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

In the interest of not cleaning said bathroom with my creaking back and arthritic hands, Steeldancer. (This vote obviously subject to change.) And Striker, because why not.

Spoiler

Anyway

As cool as it is that y'all are voting for me, it would be a little sad if I join this game and immediately get kicked out because everyone trusts me.  Any chance I can persuade you all to vote me for Worker Leader?

Anyway, I think I'm going to vote for Archer for election, and Mat for Worker Leader. Archer because I like his thought process on why he picked Tani (even if I don't necessarily agree about Tani being the best fit for Worker Leader), and Mat because he seems pretty villagery to me so far. I don't think an elim would lowball the team that much, when it seems pretty obvious that the elims need at least 5 players to actually have a chance at winning. I'm fine switching them between election or Worker Leader, but I have them where they are now based on who has already voted for them in each category, meaning where I think they're most likely to win.

Also, here's some VCs:

Election:
Archer (2): Mat, Striker
Striker (2): Szeth, TJ
Steel (1): Fifth

Worker Leader:
Mat (2): TJ, Striker
Striker (1): Fifth
Tani (1): Archer

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said:

What if we all just claimed Tineye, that way the elims will have absolutely no idea who actually is the Tineye.

Great plan, 10/10. Guess what guys - I’m the Tineye! I know, cRAZY, right?

 

4 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

As cool as it is that y'all are voting for me, it would be a little sad if I join this game and immediately get kicked out because everyone trusts me.  Any chance I can persuade you all to vote me for Worker Leader?

Ok, this makes me want to vote on you even more. I have a very good read on you, and this just serves to help it. 

[Ashbringer he/him]

Derrick had forgotten how to lead. Or, he'd remembered that he'd never really learned in the first place how to lead. It hadn't gone well the last time he'd tried.

But that was a long, long time ago.

Derrick was no foreman, no one of grand import at all. He just worked here, making sure the steel went where it was supposed to. He was a Coinshot - that was still in play - but he mainly used it to suppress disasters. Working in a metal plant while being able to move metal with your mind... that was a very useful skill to have. Particularly when it came to suppressing the flow of molten steel annihilating everything in its path...

Now steel was one of the last things on his mind. The strike, that had been talked about for so long, the one that he'd aided starting, spreading whispers, evading guards... it was here. They were making a union. Or, at least making a council that had the power to do it. Lord Starrick wouldn't take it lying down, but the idea was they wouldn't let him. This was new for all of them.

Well. Derrick gave a wry smile. Not all of them.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Okay, I'm going put my support behind Striker and Fifth. Not too much behind these votes, but I'm a little uncomfortable with the early push for Striker. Still, the reasoning behind the votes on him is decent, so that's why I have him for WL. And Fifth already put Striker as WL, so I like his thinking there. 

Szeth feels a little overeager to me. I'm not sure what to make of that.

[+Lotus she/her]

So, Jim, what are you thinking for the elections this time?

I'm still unclear, bob but I think I'm going to poke Biplit and Illwei.

Excellent choices, Jim.

Tune into KAS radio for updates as the day goes on

Edited June 25, 2021 by Lotus

[Biplet she/her]

My brain is on fire about these rules but I'm determined to figure it out without just... voting on my boyfriend lmao. For now, have some rp!

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Nolle peered at the Broadsheet. Buncha nonsense, really. The papers had all these big words and fancy designs and scholarly writin' just to do one thing: yell at others. All these people yellin' about different things, yellin' at each other in the streets and in the papers, never makin' a lick of progress save for makin' others angry. She had half a mind to send in her own thoughts, screw these people's heads on the right direction. No one would make any progress by confusin' the masses and pissin' off their friends. This paper needed some organization, a better goal. Charisma. That would do the trick. A whole lotta charisma. Maybe that journalist guy would give a speech or something. That would do it.

She set the Broadsheet aside, satisfied. That Khassid guy would appreciate some good ol' feedback from the masses he preached to.

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Edit:

11 minutes ago, Lotus said:

Biplit

that's a new one

Edited June 25, 2021 by Biplet

[StrikerEZ he/him]

9 minutes ago, Biplet said:

My brain is on fire about these rules but I'm determined to figure it out without just... voting on my boyfriend lmao.

I mean, you could just vote for me anyway. Love you.

41 minutes ago, Szeth_Pancakes said:

Ok, this makes me want to vote on you even more. I have a very good read on you, and this just serves to help it. 

Task failed successfully, I guess?

Anyway, here's an updated VC because I like doing these

Election:
Archer (2): Mat, Striker
Striker (2): Szeth, TJ
Biplet (1): Lotus
Fifth (1): Araris
Steel (1): Fifth

Worker Leader:
Mat (2): TJ, Striker
Striker (2): Fifth, Araris
Illwei (1): Lotus
Tani (1): Archer

[Mat he/him]

49 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

As cool as it is that y'all are voting for me, it would be a little sad if I join this game and immediately get kicked out because everyone trusts me.

Hey, at least it’d be a change from the usual D1 votes you tend to pick up

50 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Archer because I like his thought process on why he picked Tani

 sheep

51 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I don't think an elim would lowball the team that much, when it seems pretty obvious that the elims need at least 5 players to actually have a chance at winning.

Lol thanks but I just wasn’t paying attention :P.

38 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Still, the reasoning behind the votes on him is decent

What is it again? :P. Like, just the voting for self? yes I forgot shh

[StrikerEZ he/him]

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Hey, at least it’d be a change from the usual D1 votes you tend to pick up

I mean, the end result is I still get kicked out of the game D1 and don't really get to play. It would be like a consolation prize. "Oh, no one wanted to play with you, but at least you got elected!"

2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

 sheep

Is there anything wrong with that?

2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

Lol thanks but I just wasn’t paying attention :P.

See, that makes me trust you more, because I feel like an elim would be paying attention to something like that.