Mid-Range Game 49: Lode of Luthadel

[Ashbringer he/him]

This... huh?

This is probably a null cycle right now, because I have not had time to look at things... but I really don't like the sound of that, Tani. 

Can I get a vote count?

[|TJ| he/him]

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

This... huh?

This is probably a null cycle right now, because I have not had time to look at things... but I really don't like the sound of that, Tani. 

Can I get a vote count?

Tani (3): Flyingbooks, Biplet, Whysper
Flyingbooks (1): Illwei
Gears (1): Tani

[Quivil]

WHY AREN'T YOU LISTENING TO ME?!?                                    i hate it when im telling the truth and no one listens

 

Fine.

Have fun.

I'm done talking. If I'm dead tomorrow it's your problem.

@Ashbringer Have you read everything?

[Shard of Reading he/him]

5 minutes ago, Tani said:

i hate it when im telling the truth and no one listens

Why don't you tell us what you think you have and maybe that'll help people trust you. Because even if you are telling the truth, you're also withholding information.

[Ashbringer he/him]

I've read through things, but there's not much there to read... or not much that I can wrap my head around. I do note the "silly vs serious/frustrated" feeling... not sure what it changes though.

Tani, if we don't vote you out, where would you have us go? Because I don't feel like voting Gears here.

[Quivil]

54 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

[1] Why don't you tell us what you think you have and maybe that'll help people trust you. Because even if you are telling the truth, [2] you're also withholding information.

[1] I cant. 

If I tell you I cant get the one more bit I need for it to be complete. I'm sorry. It just won't work unless I tell you after rollover. If enough of you unvote me I'll tell you what I already have right before rollover, because by then it'll be too late for things to turn into an IKYK. But if I tell you too soon it'll be an IKYK and I'll have destroyed the chance for my data to be valid.

[2] I am withholding information, but only so my data will be accurate later. Also because I don't want to die before I get the chance to tell you the whole truth.

 

You guys can have my vote in the meantime. Where should I put it? (Sure, even on myself, tho that would defeat the purpose of this.)

Okay?

Edited March 24, 2021 by Tani

[Shard of Reading he/him]

1 minute ago, Tani said:

I cant.  

If I tell you I cant get the one more bit I need for it to be complete. I'm sorry. It just won't work unless I tell you after rollover. If enough of you unvote me I'll tell you what I already have right before rollover, because by then it'll be too late for things to turn into an IKYK. But if I tell you too soon it'll be an IKYK and I'll have destroyed the chance for my data to be valid.

 

You guys can have my vote in the meantime. Where should I put it? (Sure, even on myself, tho that would defeat the purpose of this.)

Okay?

Or, you know, you could tell us, and then someone with the same role as you could also confirm it, so we just don't have to take you're word for it.

[Quivil]

45 minutes ago, Shard of Reading said:

Or, you know, you could tell us, and then someone with the same role as you could also confirm it, so we just don't have [1] to take you're word for it.

This won't work.

I believe there is no way for you to get the same info I almost have except by keeping me alive for three more hours.

After that I don't care. It won't matter anymore after that, whichever way it goes.

Your choice if you want my info or not

 

[1] My word is worth a lot to me.

 

(I feel... blankly sad... tired of this... guess it doesnt matter but whatever)

Where does my vote go?

Edited March 24, 2021 by Tani

[Ashbringer he/him]

... if this is getting emotionally tense, then I'm not sure what to do except let it be and remind people that this is a game. 

Tani, I don't really have any reason to trust you at your word, particularly with (as you yourself noted, granted) how quickly you shift from silliness to seriousness. You were leading the exe for quite a while before you got worried. This could be a Villager trying to track down a lead, could be an Elim trying to get out of an exe... could be a Villager just trying to buy time to defend themselves when this cycle has been particularly dead. 

There's only one real lead I can imagine would need someone to take a turn to follow up on... but it's not foolproof, for lack of a better word. And would likely send the Elims after you anyway, as I also can't really imagine that leading to anything that helps the Elims. 

Also, I was looking for who you'd want to die in your stead. Because someone's going to get exed here, one way or another.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

@Tani, I can't think of any role that could guarantee learning something useful. Also, almost by definition information that doesn't hurt anyone can't be useful. The standard way to deal with IKYKs is to trust them at first and then exe the person who brought it up if they're lying, but if your information won't lead to anyone's exe, won't lead to someone being cleared as a villager, and won't cause someone's role info to spill out into public knowledge, all of which would hurt someone, I can't think of what you could be trying to learn.

Coinshot doesn't really help you learn anything. Lurcher goes off even if you die and also doesn't provide any information unless your target gets attacked, in which case we could figure that out ourselves. Tineye could learn something maybe, but the primary use is seeing if someone targeted the person who ended up dead, especially if that was the case the last time you scanned them. Kills are largely randomised and that would also for sure harm someone if you saw them target a kill target twice in a row. Thug gives no information. Rioter and Soother tell nothing since everyone who voted last cycle voted on Matrim. Smoker doesn't provide information to you. Seeker could help you find Vin, or check someone who didn't burn a metal last cycle to see if they do so this cycle, which could indicate they killed someone last cycle. Terris is too random to assume you'll accomplish something this cycle. Vin is the same as all the other metal roles, except you would be able to use atium/duralumin to amplify your results.

Overall, I'm going to assume you're claiming Tineye who saw someone target Quinn or Liranil last cycle and wants to see if they target someone who ends up dying this cycle in case they had done something innocuous like another Tineye scan. If they do target kill victims twice in a row that would be worthy of an exe, if they don't, you don't really get any new information. While there's obviously no reason to assume a tineye or whatever you are is village regardless of whether you catch an elim, it also does seem like you think you'll learn something else. I'd be willing to vote Gears if you have reason to believe he could be evil other than giving advice to elim teams.

[Quivil]

38 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

... if this is getting emotionally tense, then I'm not sure what to do except let it be and remind people that this is a game. 

Tani, I don't really have any reason to trust you at your word, [1]particularly with (as you yourself noted, granted) how quickly you shift from silliness to seriousness. [2]You were leading the exe for quite a while before you got worried. This could be a Villager trying to track down a lead, could be an Elim trying to get out of an exe... could be a Villager just trying to buy time to defend themselves when this cycle has been particularly dead. 

There's only one real lead I can imagine would need someone to take a turn to follow up on... but it's not foolproof, for lack of a better word. And would likely send the Elims after you anyway, as I also can't really imagine that leading to anything that helps the Elims. 

[3] Also, I was looking for who you'd want to die in your stead. Because someone's going to get exed here, one way or another.

[1] If I'm swiching like that Im already stressed and upset. Being silly helps me not be as stressed and upset.

[2] Actually I was worried as soon as people started voting on me. See [1]. I noticed how stressed and upset it was making me and decided I needed to take a break. I told myself it would pass. I'd remembered there being a switch in the vote train a different turn and told myself that would happen.

Also I only came up with the full of my plan today and was leading the exe for most of yesterday.

[3] I suspect Gears most, Illwei suspects Books. Either of those - or someone else entirely - would be fine by me.

14 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

@Tani, [1] I can't think of any role that could guarantee learning something useful. Also, [2] almost by definition information that doesn't hurt anyone can't be useful. The standard way to deal with IKYKs is to trust them at first and then exe the person who brought it up if they're lying, but if your information won't lead to anyone's exe, won't lead to someone being cleared as a villager, and won't cause someone's role info to spill out into public knowledge, all of which would hurt someone, I can't think of what you could be trying to learn.

Coinshot doesn't really help you learn anything. Lurcher goes off even if you die and also doesn't provide any information unless your target gets attacked, in which case we could figure that out ourselves. Tineye could learn something maybe, but the primary use is seeing if someone targeted the person who ended up dead, especially if that was the case the last time you scanned them. Kills are largely randomised and that would also for sure harm someone if you saw them target a kill target twice in a row. Thug gives no information. Rioter and Soother tell nothing since everyone who voted last cycle voted on Matrim. Smoker doesn't provide information to you. Seeker could help you find Vin, or check someone who didn't burn a metal last cycle to see if they do so this cycle, which could indicate they killed someone last cycle. Terris is too random to assume you'll accomplish something this cycle. Vin is the same as all the other metal roles, except you would be able to use atium/duralumin to amplify your results. this bit is irrelevant here - Taniel

Overall, I'm going to assume you're claiming Tineye who saw someone target Quinn or Liranil last cycle and wants to see if they target someone who ends up dying this cycle in case they had done something innocuous like another Tineye scan. If they do target kill victims twice in a row that would be worthy of an exe, if they don't, you don't really get any new information. While there's obviously no reason to assume a tineye or whatever you are is village regardless of whether you catch an elim, it also does seem like you think you'll learn something else. I'd be willing to vote Gears if you have reason to believe he could be evil other than giving advice to elim teams.

[1] I understand this. I couldn't've either. This situation sort of fell into my lap, as I've said earlier.

[2]well this helps everyone and im sure it hurts no one.

 

On Gears: Possible signaling, telling Elims how to play well & win, possible in-RP alignment claim, Archer said Gears might've been Elim signaling and got NKd the cycle he said that. Sorry I have no time and can't cite these for you right now.

 

And you're exeing me based on gut.

Edited March 24, 2021 by Tani

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

5 minutes ago, Tani said:

[2]well this helps everyone and im sure it hurts no one.

 

On Gears: Possible signaling, telling Elims how to play well & win, possible in-RP alignment claim, Archer said Gears might've been Elim signaling and got NKd the cycle he said that. Sorry I have no time and can't cite these for you right now.

All information that's helpful is either evidence that someone is village or that they're elim, which inevitably hurts someone. Getting someone cleared as village makes them a kill target and gives the actual elim fewer places to hide, while someone being revealed as an elim gets them killed.

Telling elims what to do mechanically and claiming elim in RP is just something Gears does regardless of alignment.

It still looks like you're going to die so you should reveal what information you have before rollover.

[Ashbringer he/him]

The problem is, everything we do at this point is at gut, because no one has really done any analysis on the D1/D2 interactions. Which I might be able to do later next cycle, but we're all busy it seems.

I suppose I could tie it... but I really don't have anything against Gears. As Devo pointed out most of what Gears does is NAI.

...

Fine. Gears. For RNG.

[|TJ| he/him]

So I jinxed it last cycle when I said the thread kept getting longer, the more the game progressed. -.- Time's up and we'll see what the next cycle holds for us.

[|TJ| he/him]

Cycle 5 - Gambit Declined

Reva ran hard. She didn’t know if she was being pursued, but she had to reach her superiors. She had to relay what she saw to someone. It was very very important that she did so.

Oh Lord Ruler. Allrianne! How- how did they get hold of her? Someone needs to know this. Any needs to know this. A major pawn in the hands of the Venture to bargain. Lord Cett will be furious! 

She turned a corner, but didn’t even have to look back because she instantly knew she was being followed. She quickened her pace and ran as fast as she could, but she could hear the footsteps gaining. 

***

Vin immediately noticed a movement as soon as they had sent Breeze and Allrianne away. The sound of the footwear skidding, and the subsequent footsteps were clear to her tin-attuned ears. She looked towards Spook for affirmation, and he nodded slightly.

She took off in the direction of the intruder and immediately noticed her pace. She Pushed on some coins and followed her. The woman, Reva, she recalled, turned around a corner and fled. Vin followed and gained up quickly. As soon as she was about to catch her, Reva turned around and landed a blow.

***

Reva turned around and tapped iron, putting all her weight in the punch. It landed with a sickening sound and sent Vin sprawling across the ground.

Fight or flight? Well, fighting a mistborn would be foolish, with or without metalminds. Besides, I have to stay alive to report the events.

She could already see Vin rising up, so she tapped steel and began to sprint. Unfortunately, she did not realize she was trapped while she was focused on Vin, and ran headfirst into Spook and collapsed. She was now surrounded by Venture soldiers, and she couldn’t see a way out.

“Wait! I’ve got some news to share with you! Please, I think it’ll help you!”

“Well, out with it, then.” snarled Vin, who was now approaching Reva. “What’s stopping you?”

“I-I just need a little more time. I need to confirm it, before revealing anything. Please, you have to believe me!” 

“Believe someone who was running away? Someone who is also a full Feruchemist?”

“Tindwyl sent me here. You can ask her!”

“She did not. What were you doing here, Reva?”

Reva felt tensed as she knew she was running out of time. Her gambit seemed to had failed, as no one seemed to have believed her.

“Speak whatever you want to speak now, and wish that it’s important enough for us to keep you alive.”

“I- I can’t. It only works if-” Reva did not even get to finish her sentence.

---

Tani was eliminated. She was a Terris Cett Opportunist!
Whysper was killed. She was a Venture Loyalist  Lurcher!
Gears was attacked, but survived!

Vote Count:

Gears (3): Ashbringer, Devotary of Spontaneity, Tani
Tani (3): Flyingbooks, Biplet, Whysper
Flyingbooks (1): Illwei

Cycle 5 has begun and will end on March 26, at 23:30 IST [GMT + 05:30]. Please try to bold your votes, and give retractions in green. Don’t forget to put your actions and kill votes in!

Player List: 

Spoiler

1. Quintessential - Tess Mourn Venture Loyalist Soother
2. @Flyingbooks - Lan MinRai
3. Liranil Venture Loyalist Seeker
4. Matrim's Dice - Philico Gneorndin Allrianne Cett
5. @Random Bystander
6. @Ashbringer - Faleast
7. Archer - Dim Venture Loyalist Thug
8. StrikerEZ Zane
9. @Illwei
10. @Gears - Roko the Basilisk
11. @Biplet
12. @The Unknown Order - Nicole Atyo
13. Whysper Venture Loyalist Lurcher
14. @Devotary of Spontaneity
15. Tani - Reva Terris Cett Opportunist
16. @PizzaPower55
17. STINK - Udfolt Terris Venture Loyalist
18. @Shard of Reading

[Illwei]

well then.

so.

I'm. I'm still alive.

[PizzaPower55 he/him]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

I'm. I'm still alive.

congratulations

[Illwei]

Books

Tani/Devo/Books feels like it's way too obvious to be way too obvious to be the Cetts. but that's what I have rn. The one thought about that would be Books jumping on Tani for defending Mat, but they could have thought it was a lost cause.

TUO/Randby are both leaning Elim but I have no clue what team. Either? Neither? smh.

Bip/Reading/[TUO, Randby] for the Straffs.

Everyone else is varying levels of village for me

[Flyingbooks]

Just now, Illwei said:

Books

Tani/Devo/Books feels like it's way too obvious to be way too obvious to be the Cetts. but that's what I have rn. The one thought about that would be Books jumping on Tani for defending Mat, but they could have thought it was a lost cause.

TUO/Randby are both leaning Elim but I have no clue what team. Either? Neither? smh.

Bip/Reading/[TUO, Randby] for the Straffs.

Everyone else is varying levels of village for me

It honestly really feels like you're tunneling on me. Your initial suspicion was because of me being busy IRL, and now you're suspicious of me for voting on somebody who I found suspicious? TJ has confirmed in the thread that the elims only know their Mistborn, so now none of the elims know each other, so bussing certainly wouldn't be possible.

 

[Illwei]

4 minutes ago, Flyingbooks said:

It honestly really feels like you're tunneling on me. Your initial suspicion was because of me being busy IRL, and now you're suspicious of me for voting on somebody who I found suspicious? TJ has confirmed in the thread that the elims only know their Mistborn, so now none of the elims know each other, so bussing certainly wouldn't be possible.

My original suspicion was your vote on Mat though. And bussing is definitely a possibility with Tani, but also is you just killing whoever and hoping it works.

My problem was with the fact that if you voted Tani it would be bussing, and there's a whole lotta what the heck going around with bussing in this game, in that it's both possible and not. so yeah.

Idk. It's my read. No one need follow it, but /shrug.

[Flyingbooks]

7 minutes ago, Illwei said:

My original suspicion was your vote on Mat though.

You said that your suspicion of me was because I voted on Mat at the beginning and then didn't come back until the end of the cycle. I voted on Mat because he was mechanically confirmed to be an elim, then I didn't come back because I had lots of physics homework.

[Illwei]

Why would people kill Whysper and Gears over me though

not- not that I want to be dead okay okay but

but why not me? ;-;. Have I been. Have I been. that. that off with my Elim team guesses?

Well okay I mean yeah yeah I have but-

[Biplet she/her]

And again, the Whysper death feels out of nowhere. I’m with Illwei, surprised she isn’t dead yet lol. Not that I suspect her, but it seems like everyone else and their mothers do??

[Random Bystander she/her]

Sorry that I haven't been much help. I was going to try to start actually do useful stuff this time. But then I lost my laptop, so now I can only use my phone. I am no longer able to be on as much. I'm sorry.  Now to read through... Most of the last Cycle, and all of this one. (Luckily for me, not too many people have posted on this one yet, so I won't have an insane amount of reading to do.)

[Biplet she/her]

So we know Gears was either protected, a thug, or Vin. That last option makes me very very nervous about voting him for the exe. Someone must’ve found something interesting about Gears, because he was an attempted NK. 
 

Interested to hear what he has to say

Edited March 24, 2021 by Biplet