Mid-Range Game 49: Lode of Luthadel

[|TJ| he/him]

Cycle 6 - R8

All hell broke lose. The Cett and the Straff had discovered the way to go further deeper into the palace from the main chamber, and they were fighting each other to death. Coins flying, mistings raging and calming, sword against sword, spears jutting out of bodies and wooden shield slamming onto faces. It was basically a bloodbath. Pisa was quietly lurking in a corner, watching the proceedings. Ventures had sent them of course, they had done a good job off turning their enemies on each other, talking advantage of their greed. And now to just watch and report. Pisa was wary though, the crowd was getting unruly by the second. They looked around for any danger, and satisfied that they did not have anything else to report got up leave. Just to face another smaller set of mobs trying to move closer. They looked around, trying to figure out a way through, to see if they could get around them but they found nothing. They backed away slowly, as the group advanced. They glanced back to look at the larger crowd. who seemed very close now. And with the mob ahead of them relentless, they knew they were trapped. They raised their hands in surrender and burned copper to show they were harmless. Sadly, it was to no avail, as Pisa was quickly overcome by the crowd.

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Biplet was eliminated. She was a Straff Mercenary Tineye!
Shard of Reading was killed. He was a Cett Opportunist Seeker!
PizzaPower55 was killed. They were a Venture Loyalist Smoker!

Vote Count: 

Biplet (4): Random Bystander, Ashbringer, Gears, Devotary of Spontaneity
Devotary of Spontaneity (3): Flyingbooks, Illwei, Biplet, The Unknown Order
Flyingbooks (1):

Cycle 6 has begun and will end on March 28, at 23:30 IST [GMT + 05:30]. Please try to bold your votes, and give retractions in green. Don’t forget to put your actions and kill votes in!

Player List:

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1. Quintessential - Tess Mourn Venture Loyalist Soother
2. @Flyingbooks - Lan MinRai
3. Liranil Venture Loyalist Seeker
4. Matrim's Dice - Philico Gneorndin Allrianne Cett
5. @Random Bystander
6. @Ashbringer - Faleast
7. Archer - Dim Venture Loyalist Thug
8. StrikerEZ Zane
9. @Illwei
10. @Gears - Roko the Basilisk
11. Biplet Straff Mercenary Tineye
12. @The Unknown Order - Nicole Atyo
13. Whysper Venture Loyalist Lurcher
14. @Devotary of Spontaneity
15. Tani - Reva Terris Cett Opportunist
16. PizzaPower55 Venture Loyalist Smoker
17. STINK - Udfolt Terris Venture Loyalist
18. Shard of Reading Cett Opportunist Seeker

[Ashbringer he/him]

... so Reading was a Cett. Interesting.

(Reading essentially was the first to talk with Mat D1; Mat first initiated contact but Reading kept it up for a bit.)

Illwei

[Illwei]

Pizza kill makes no sense to me but AAHAHAHA TWO FOR TWO BOTH READING AND BIP WERE ELIMS SHOULDA KILLED ME EARLIER GUYS HUH

Okay well I thought reading was straff I think so uh i gotta think more now

I still think that Ash is village so that means the last elims are in Devo/Tho/randby/books so uh theres one villager in there

More wanting to think that the villager is books? Mmmmmmmm

EDIT:

@TJ Shade RandBy

Edited March 26, 2021 by Illwei

[Ashbringer he/him]

Hmm. @Gears, was that your Soothing? Or was that someone else?

Also how upset are you that you didn't get to use your death RP

I'm going to see if I can map out who interacted with Striker/Mat D1.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

27 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Pizza kill makes no sense to me but AAHAHAHA TWO FOR TWO BOTH READING AND BIP WERE ELIMS SHOULDA KILLED ME EARLIER GUYS HUH

Why didn't you vote for Biplet at the end there? The most likely explanation is that you didn't want to vote for a teammate but I guess it's possible you rioted your own vote for some reason.

[Illwei]

6 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Why didn't you vote for Biplet at the end there? The most likely explanation is that you didn't want to vote for a teammate but I guess it's possible you rioted your own vote for some reason.

Fun story

I was in the shower

Start my job today. Wanted to be clean

Edited March 26, 2021 by Illwei

[Ashbringer he/him]

30 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Hmm. @Gears, was that your Soothing Rioting? Or was that someone else?

... I see I'm channeling LG73 again.

Edit: Illwei, my end said you were viewing the thread for the last 5 minutes. Care to blue that?

Edited March 26, 2021 by Ashbringer

[Illwei]

6 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Edit: Illwei, my end said you were viewing the thread for the last 5 minutes. Care to blue that?

Lmao. 

I was taking a shower

I always leave the tabs open on my computer, except for right now, because my computer died and I haven't bothered to charge it yet. 

Oh sorry, would you like me to blue that as well? :))

[Ashbringer he/him]

... as someone who leaves tabs open too often as well, no, you’re good 

(How does that work, anyway? Do you have to be looking at that tab, or does it have to be un-minimized, or...)

Illwei

Hmm... The Unknown Order

Edited March 26, 2021 by Ashbringer

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Just now, Ashbringer said:

The Unknown Order

Any reasoning?

[Ashbringer he/him]

Wanted to see if you’re still watching 

Not anything specific at the moment, but I want to hear a bit more from you. I don’t really recall you saying much and we need leads. 

[Illwei]

Just now, Ashbringer said:

(How does that work, anyway? Do you have to be looking at that tab, or does it have to be un-minimized, or...)

I...I donno? I think I was playing around with it with someone at one point? Idr. :p. 

Also. Wait. How does rioting work in this game. Is books a rioter?

It's also feeling like it's hard to calculate lylo here, but thinking that...

It's 4 - 1 - 2 rn so if we vote out village then...well honestly no clue. Because the elims could just kill each other off...

Well I'm at work rn but I'm going to try to look at things tonight. Reading D1 was 100% a slip though hehehehe

This is a good game hehe

I mean. Obviously wrong about books/devo but if we just ignore that please and thank you but anyways I'll be back to look at that later. If Ash is gonna do it imma wait until after he's done to post if I have conclusions.

Also @random bystander it's not working the tag but uh how's it going

[Random Bystander she/her]

6 hours ago, Illwei said:

I...I donno? I think I was playing around with it with someone at one point? Idr. :p. 

Also. Wait. How does rioting work in this game. Is books a rioter?

It's also feeling like it's hard to calculate lylo here, but thinking that...

It's 4 - 1 - 2 rn so if we vote out village then...well honestly no clue. Because the elims could just kill each other off...

Well I'm at work rn but I'm going to try to look at things tonight. Reading D1 was 100% a slip though hehehehe

This is a good game hehe

I mean. Obviously wrong about books/devo but if we just ignore that please and thank you but anyways I'll be back to look at that later. If Ash is gonna do it imma wait until after he's done to post if I have conclusions.

Also @random bystander it's not working the tag but uh how's it going

I've been searching for my STUPID LAPTOP for over a week, and have had no luck, so it is NOT going well...

That wasn't what you were asking about? Well I don't really care because I am REALLY FRUSTRATED. 

Anyway, I'll try to add something of actual value later. (No promises. I said I'll try, not that I'm definitely going to do it.) Sorry for yelling at you about my laptop.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Random Bystander

[Gears]

9 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Pizza kill makes no sense to me

I redirected Bip, so... Pizza, I probably killed you. My apologies. Update from Future Gears: Wait... Wait that doesn't work. Bip was killing me. I redirected Bip. Bip was Straff. Reading must have been the Straff kill. So the Cetts genuinely killed Pizza. Why would you do that? Because the Wei was reading them village? They were a floater and a newbie. This does not make sense to me either. Also, I redirected the Straff kill on to a Cett person. Huzzah!

Sidenote: I was told that Reading was Seeking me. Perhaps the Cett Seeker is why our power roles went down. Do we suspect a Straff Seeker to compensate, or does Bip the Tineye compensate enough?

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

Hmm. @Gears, was that your Soothing? Or was that someone else?

Also how upset are you that you didn't get to use your death RP

I'm going to see if I can map out who interacted with Striker/Mat D1.

No. 1. It had to be a Riot on the Wei. 2. Atium doesn't actually let you take multiple actions, and I redirected Bip so I could survive. And I actually haven't written death RP yet because school is terrible and doesn't give me free time, so huzzah for living long enough to be a writer!

And now, the CTRL-F of Matrim's name [the problem with doing this with Matrim is that people refer to him as "Mat", and "Mat" is a common part of other words, so there are so many false positives], excluding things without connections and the dead because I'm lazy and my computer can't handle really long nested spoilers for some reason.

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C1

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On 3/16/2021 at 2:32 PM, Shard of Reading said:

So, 2 ideas about the possibilities for the elim team are either 1: normal size elim team cut in half. (18 players, 1/5th is 3.6, 1/4th is 4.5. That means 2 from cett, and 2 from venture.) Or, 2 you double the team sizes. This means 3-4 players on each team. The teams are probably equal, and so that means 6-8 elimintors. I think that makes more sense because they have to kill everyone not just reach parity.

I don't think the teams are equal because of the knowledge (though limited) the elim factions do have. I think that Cett and Straff's teams are likely the same size (maybe one is larger or smaller depending on roles, but I doubt it) and the village team is probably larger.

Looking at the numbers... my guess would be 10/4/4 or 8/5/5, with a slight preference towards 10/4/4, but that's just going with my gut  I've never seen a game like this play out so TJ could have done anything.

I'm with Ash on Gneorndin vs Zane- I think the randomness is a pretty large crutch but Atium and Duralumin are strong.

  On 3/16/2021 at 2:36 PM, Tani said:

Are we s'posed to vote for the exe in-thread? I don't remember...

Yeah, where else would we vote? 

Ninja'd by Archer.

Matrim. The first engagement between what we now know are the Cett MIstborn and the Cett Seeker. It seems innocuous.

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On 3/16/2021 at 3:03 PM, Matrim's Dice said:

I don't think the teams are equal because of the knowledge (though limited) the elim factions do have. I think that Cett and Straff's teams are likely the same size (maybe one is larger or smaller depending on roles, but I doubt it) and the village team is probably larger.

When I said equal teams, I was talking about only the elims. Not the village.

  On 3/16/2021 at 2:59 PM, Archer said:

You thought along similar lines as I, although I completely discounted two person teams as a possibility. Thoughts on potential role distribution among them? (I realize that could also be used to signal, but we have to talk about something.)

Ummm.... I don't really do much role distribution guessing. I think it might be a seeker, mistborn, vote manip and protection.

I'm operating under the assumption this is a role madness game, because I don't want a repeat of TJ's last game.

Reading. The return fire. I don't see how this is communicating any sensitive information.

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 On 3/16/2021 at 3:08 PM, Shard of Reading said:

When I said equal teams, I was talking about only the elims. Not the village.

Ah, well in that case, we agree 

Matrim. Again, I see nothing in particular, save that the initial misunderstanding seemed strange.

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 On 3/16/2021 at 6:28 PM, Quintessential said:

STINK @STINK

Can we have reasoning? :P.

I've decided that this game I don't really want to try to meta read anyone. It's dug me into a lot of holes lately and I don't want to do that, so I'm going to try to look at things from this game and this game only (to a certain and reasonable extent). Don't know how well that will work, though.

Still busy with other things, I'll do a readthrough later :/ Sorry.

Mat. Trying not to meta read people because the ones they are trying to find are their teammates who might be naturally inclined to be suspicious?

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On 3/16/2021 at 10:51 PM, Ashbringer said:

Any one else have ideas?

I'm with Striker in that we just leave them be- if a Mistborn is outed I'd say there's a high high high likelihood of them being attacked- one of the two elim factions will either way, likely both if it's Vin. So they're dead if they're outed, and the elims will just do it for us so we don't have to think about it.

Mat. The elim Mistborns want Mistborns to not be slaughtered. 

Conclusion as of C1: No connections to the living. [This is so much easier when everyone is dead.]

C2

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I trust Quinn and Mat, but not... together. Illwei not so much thanks to her pseudo-defense of Archer. Gears has been NAI, I think... Elim predictions is always something that he's done but in this game it is a bit more problematic. Tani feels good, and Liranil at least feels genuine. Her not voting for Archer isn't quite incriminating enough (I don't exactly have the best track record on that... sorry Gears... and Quinn...).

Ash. More anti-Connections with Mat. Strong not!Cett.

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Also wait I forgot, I had Mat as a trust because he referenced the Elims knowing two of their teammates after he supposedly missed the clarification that they only know one.

Wei. Good that they have reasoning. Then again, it led you slightly astray since they were indeed a person who didn't know elims, but they were an elim anyways. Anti-connection. Then again, I did mark them as Straff, so that shouldn't be a surprise. Sidenote: I just realised that Illwei is alive. 

Conclusion as of C2: ...Do you think the Cett are dead? I've parsed out all the connections with dead people to not obliterate my computer, and I've not found much. 

C3

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Well

Okay then

honestly?

Matrim

Wei. More anti-Connections. Still could be Straff.

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On 3/20/2021 at 2:27 PM, Quintessential said:

Okay, will have more later but first of all: Striker may have been lying about his identity but he likely was telling the truth about using atium and seeing Mat (this way, his team knows a member of the other team to try to take out--why would he lie about who was attacking him?). AKA, Mat is Cett, and was the one RNGd with the attack on Striker. Striker, meanwhile, was Straff (obviously) and Straff was the team that attacked Archer last cycle.

I'll vote Matrim then.

Spring break has begun, so I'll definitely be more active this week.

Books. They seem to take flak for dropping this vote and then dipping.

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So Striker being Zane makes more sense than him being Vin, since Vin!Striker should have been able to survive an attack by burning Steel and redirecting his attacker. Zane's team doesn't seem to have a Lurcher since they didn't protect Striker either time.

  On 3/20/2021 at 2:55 PM, Quintessential said:

On the other hand, he would have had no way of mechanically confirming someone as village. If he announced the identity of someone he didn't know was Cett, he'd risk accidentally choosing one of his own teammates--and his team isn't exactly doing great either.

Assuming Striker did burn atium, he might have been able to tell that someone wasn't on his team. Atium reveals all actions and the players who submitted those actions, and since Straff players know who their Mistborn is, there's no reason for them to target Zane with any metal other than iron or copper. I don't think that matters in this case though, since if Matrim isn't the Cett Mistborn, he's a Thug who wouldn't have been able to target Zane with anything. That or Matrim is Vin/was Lurched, but I assume he would have claimed that if it was true. I also would have assumed Striker would prefer the village to waste an exe or two killing Matrim instead of killing him personally as Illwei says, but I guess that's not the case. If Striker didn't burn atium and just named Mat randomly it especially makes no sense to kill him, unless some other Straff member put in the kill and didn't pay attention to remove it.

Overall, Striker was more likely to have attacked Matrim if he was telling the truth about using atium, than if he's just throwing out a random name. If Striker had scanned Matrim doing some other metal action it especially makes sense to kill him, but then Matrim wouldn't have survived unless he's Vin or was Lurched, and he's claiming just Thug. The scenario where Matrim is a village Thug is one where Striker was just fully lying, assumed Mat was too hostile towards him to be a Straff, and got unlucky that a Straff teammate picked Matrim as a kill. That gives enough reason to believe Matrim is a Cett, and likely the Mistborn since having elim Thugs is a lot of lives to chew through.

Straff would have to kill Cett Mistborn!Mat at some point, and Mat shouldn't be able to survive unless he picked the right player to burn steel at. I don't think the elim teams have to be so symmetrical that Straff's apparent lack of a Lurcher means Cett doesn't have a Lurcher, but also Lurcher's can't save people twice in a row. I do however think that should be trying to get the elims to fight each other, and I don't know if trying to kill two members of the same team does that better than keeping things even. If Illwei dies and is Straff, then Cett won't be hunting for any remaining Straff, though maybe since there's not really a good way for the elim teams to work together, remaining Straff members would want to go after Cett by killing any they find for a while. So killing Straff!Illwei makes sure Matrim gets attacked tonight, killing Illwei is objectively worse if they're a villager, unclear if Cett would attack Illwei today as a Straff suspicion if Matrim dies as their Mistborn. The optimal scenario is exe Matrim, have Cett kill Illwei, but it's hard to gain cooperation by actively going against their interests.

Devotary. Supports the Matrim X. Doesn't mean much.

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On 3/20/2021 at 3:52 PM, Quintessential said:

Right, he's basically confirmed elim. Specifically, he's basically confirmed Cett. If he's not a top exe candidate, Straff will almost certainly attack him. Because their literal Mistborn told them to.

Their mistborn is dead, and leaving him alive means that the village will waste a cycle on that, while they can make sure to kill off villagers. I can see a Straff!Quinn here because I don't know why anyone would want to NK Matrim?

Again. if the Elims NK mat then they don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. if they don't then they 1) potentially confirm a teammate, 2) Potentially kill off someone (whoever it is, it's good for them) and 3) Make sure the Village wastes another cycle, killing someone confirmed not them.

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  On 3/20/2021 at 3:52 PM, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Would you kill Matrim even if we exed you?

Straff!Illwei wouldn't kill Matrim, as outlined in above post??? I don't understand why the Elims would?

Wei. Continues to push the Mateo X. This entire bit is what makes me lean Straff.

[I have taken the liberty of excluding further arguments for and against slaughtering the Mateo, as it doesn't really add much]

[The rest of this is all just the unravelling of Mateo the Gneorndin, and that's it for cycle 3.

Conclusion as of C3: Nothing. I could have more, but everyone is dead. 

I vaguely want to slaughter the Wei, but I am hesitant. There are 7 people. 4 are village. 3 are elims. I vaguely trust Ash. Illwei has felt somewhat alright recently, but that's to be expected with a dead Mistborn.

I'll try to iso some people over the weekend, but I'm gone all day Saturday, so make time without me. I am certain that no village Lurcher remains.

[Illwei]

6 minutes ago, Gears said:

I redirected Bip, so... Pizza, I probably killed you. My apologies. Update from Future Gears: Wait... Wait that doesn't work. Bip was killing me. I redirected Bip. Bip was Straff. Reading must have been the Straff kill. So the Cetts genuinely killed Pizza. Why would you do that? Because the Wei was reading them village? They were a floater and a newbie. This does not make sense to me either. Also, I redirected the Straff kill on to a Cett person. Huzzah!

you... don't you ha

ve to choose a target to redirect to?

EDIT:

*double checks that I'm alive in this game*

Edited March 27, 2021 by Illwei

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

17 minutes ago, Illwei said:

you... don't you ha

ve to choose a target to redirect to?

Steel redirects the action to a random target. From earlier, rioting makes someone vote for the same person they voted for last cycle. Since you were the only one to vote for Books C4, it must have been your vote that got rioted.

I think Order is more likely to be a Straff than Randby. Do think it's still possible for Illwei to be a Straff but not as sure as earlier in the cycle. Books is still a decent Cett choice.

[Ashbringer he/him]

21 minutes ago, Gears said:

No. 1. It had to be a Riot on the Wei. 2. Atium doesn't actually let you take multiple actions, and I redirected Bip so I could survive. And I actually haven't written death RP yet because school is terrible and doesn't give me free time, so huzzah for living long enough to be a writer!

... yes it does?

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Atium: Once per game, a Mistborn can use atium to know all the actions placed on them in the current cycle at the time they wish. [For example - “Use Atium to know actions placed on me 30 mins before rollover]. They can then take an extra action to counter the actions placed on them.

Uh oh. Either way, we've got a Rioter about. Probably Village, but with decentralized teams anything is possible. 

Illwei - Steel is a random redirect. The target's action is sent to a random individual, not a one chosen by the redirectors.

[Gears]

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

... yes it does?

Poor phrasing on my part. Basically, atium is the metal burned for the cycle, and the extra action is one of the standard eight metals. So you end up with the normal metal action and the atium action. You don't get two standard metals. My "extra action" was steel. Saving my own skin. Matrim just blatantly lied to us. It was quite bold, I will admit. Congrats, Mateo. You were quite clever. 

The Rioter is most likely one of the people on Bip because otherwise they could have just voted. Not I, so Ruby, Ash, or Devotary. Would anyone like to confess? The relevant individual could be any alignment because survival is paramount at this stage, not the team.

Wei: People have already said this, but no. Redirects are random in this game. TJ was actually original with the roles instead of stealing from the First. Give him some claps.

[Illwei]

I think if the rioter is village then they should come out and say it was them tbh. depending on who it is I think it could be nice to know if it was applied after or before bip was outed. idk.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

20 minutes ago, Gears said:

The Rioter is most likely one of the people on Bip because otherwise they could have just voted. Not I, so Ruby, Ash, or Devotary. Would anyone like to confess? The relevant individual could be any alignment because survival is paramount at this stage, not the team.

I was the rioter, just making sure nobody else was going to try to claim it. I put in the order after Illwei voted on me, as the only person who was both voting on me and had voted on someone living the previous cycle.

[Illwei]

mmmmmmmmmmmmm

See that just makes me think Devo is more likely an Elimmmmmmmm

Terris  --> ??
Seeker --> Tineye?
Vote Manip? --> Vote Manip?

Hm honestly the more I look at the rules it makes less sense. Rioting seems way more powerful than soothing, and I don't know if there would be a terris on both teams? so If Devotary is an Elim rioter than Straff makes more sense there? but that...Yeah I actually haven't read the rules before this, if it...if it wasn't obvious, but Soother is basically useless. so if there's vote manip maybe...okay maybe this doesn't make sense. Yeah. Soother is basically useless, doesn't matter for which team imo. so. if vote manip then two rioters. but. unless the last- 

We need more straff flipssssssssssss

someone help with my useless setup specccc

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

16 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Hm honestly the more I look at the rules it makes less sense. Rioting seems way more powerful than soothing, and I don't know if there would be a terris on both teams? so If Devotary is an Elim rioter than Straff makes more sense there? but that...Yeah I actually haven't read the rules before this, if it...if it wasn't obvious, but Soother is basically useless. so if there's vote manip maybe...okay maybe this doesn't make sense. Yeah. Soother is basically useless, doesn't matter for which team imo. so. if vote manip then two rioters. but. unless the last- 

Soothing is useful if someone votes on a person two cycles in a row because they didn't die the first time, but could have been used to remove Matrim or Ash's vote on Archer C2 and apparently in no other case. Rioters haven't had much of a chance to do much either, but an elim (especially Straff) rioter could have tried to kill me by rioting my or Ash's votes to Gears away from Biplet.

[Illwei]

56 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

Soothing is useful if someone votes on a person two cycles in a row because they didn't die the first time, but could have been used to remove Matrim or Ash's vote on Archer C2 and apparently in no other case. Rioters haven't had much of a chance to do much either, but an elim (especially Straff) rioter could have tried to kill me by rioting my or Ash's votes to Gears away from Biplet.

Rioting will in most cases actually remove a vote. Soothing is only useful in those situations, yeah, but at the same time not actually useful, because in that situation where basically everyone is voting on the same person, one vote moved off means nothing. and if people are being voted out twice then (edit: guess....I didn't finish this thought. Then most likely over half of the people are going to be voting on them, so one vote difference don't do much.)

Edited March 27, 2021 by Illwei

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

11 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Soothing is only useful in those situations, yeah, but at the same time not actually useful, because in that situation where basically everyone is voting on the same person, one vote moved off means nothing. and if people are being voted out twice then 

Soothing could be powerful this cycle but there probably isn't a Soother and if there was, they'd probably be perfectly happy to let me die.

[Flyingbooks]

Next cycle, we'll know if the elims started out with 3 or 4 people depending on whether there's a second kill.