Sart Posted January 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Quinn0928 said: The Thief can't draw Lines, so having a Book would not be particularly useful to them. This is false. All roles besides the Non-Rithmatist can draw Lines, including the Thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Ajah Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Sart said: This is false. All roles besides the Non-Rithmatist can draw Lines, including the Thief. That's what I thought but I didn't say it because I thought it said different in the rules. Would there be any difference between a Specialized Revocation and the thief's ability? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, The Unknown Order said: That's what I thought but I didn't say it because I thought it said different in the rules. Would there be any difference between a Specialized Revocation and the thief's ability? One uses Chalk. My guess is other than that, no. I can't say what exactly I got from my GM PM, but it didn't specify what action hit me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sart Posted January 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said: That's what I thought but I didn't say it because I thought it said different in the rules. Would there be any difference between a Specialized Revocation and the thief's ability? Slightly. The Thief's action goes before Lines of Revocation, so if the Thief and a Line of Revocation go after a player with only one item, the Thief gets it. If you lose an item, you will not know if it was a Line of Revocation or the Thief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unknown Ajah Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Sart said: Slightly. The Thief's action goes before Lines of Revocation, so if the Thief and a Line of Revocation go after a player with only one item, the Thief gets it. If you lose an item, you will not know if it was a Line of Revocation or the Thief. Can Specialized Making tell the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sart Posted January 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Unknown Order said: Can Specialized Making tell the difference? Yes it can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Quinn0928 said: We won't see the effects of the Acid until next Night, since you have to use it during the Day for it to work (for some reason : P). But yes, I will keep you posted, and I assume TJ will too. You won't really see the effects of acid, including the bucket of acid Matrim claimed to use, with random defending since you won't know how much defense there was supposed to be. Everyone who did submit a protect claiming the turn after would help with that, but would also let the elims know who doesn't have chalk anymore. 2 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: Also, I’m going to give a mild elim/thief read to Mist and Archer. In my opinion, the people wanting bribes the most are going to be one of those two players. Now, you might ask “But Striker! What about Ash losing his chalk but it not showing up in the camp supply?” Well, we already know that certain players have started off with Specializations. Is it so crazy to believe that someone started off with a Specialization in Revocation? If the thief wants to just take five bribes from the supply and leave there's no reason to stop them, though they might not find that fun. The someone with a specialisation in Revocation would likely be an elim in that case, unless a villager was so confident that Ash was evil they were willing to waste a chalk to steal his. Last minute switches that hit a villager don't mean the person saved is evil, but I still don't know why a lot of people decided a null was a better choice than Matrim. Illwei thought Matrim was making reasonable statements that Striker was blowing out of proportion, and Quinn didn't think an elim would publicly give up more than two hours before rollover with a single vote difference but everyone else is more opaque. I would feel better about Matrim if we could confirm acid use, though again that requires people to claim chalk use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 It’s not really a “waste” of chalk if it’s specialized Revocation, as they’d now have my chalk. It just means that I don’t get any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessential Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: It’s not really a “waste” of chalk if it’s specialized Revocation, as they’d now have my chalk. It just means that I don’t get any. I mean, the other possibility is that the Thief is one of our resident chaotic neutrals (which, like, there are a fair number of in this game) and decided to be random? idk lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: It’s not really a “waste” of chalk if it’s specialized Revocation, as they’d now have my chalk. It just means that I don’t get any. If you and a revoker are both village, it is a waste since it goes from two pieces of chalk (yours and theirs) to one piece of chalk (the one that used to be yours). With a village revoker and elim you it wouldn't be a waste since you wouldn't have done anything productive with that chalk anyway in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: It’s not really a “waste” of chalk if it’s specialized Revocation, as they’d now have my chalk. It just means that I don’t get any. 1 minute ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: If you and a revoker are both village, it is a waste since it goes from two pieces of chalk (yours and theirs) to one piece of chalk (the one that used to be yours). With a village revoker and elim you it wouldn't be a waste since you wouldn't have done anything productive with that chalk anyway in that case. :thonk: Ash what are you implying here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 If a Village Revoker is so sure of a bad read on me from me accomplishing essentially nothing except preventing Mat from being exed, then I doubt they are considering the potential waste of the Village Net Chalk. They spend a chalk, they gain a chalk. They still have chalk. I have no chalk. 5 minutes ago, Illwei said: :thonk: Ash what are you implying here If you want to talk about implications, respond to the post where I quoted you three times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Ashbringer said: If you want to talk about implications, respond to the post where I quoted you three times. Whaddo I got to respond to there? You pointed out three things I said, yeah I said them, whattaboutit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: If a Village Revoker is so sure of a bad read on me from me accomplishing essentially nothing except preventing Mat from being exed, then I doubt they are considering the potential waste of the Village Net Chalk. They spend a chalk, they gain a chalk. They still have chalk. I have no chalk. Yeah, which is why the only reason it could be a village revoker is if they had a strong suspicion of you being evil. Without that suspicion, they wouldn't have stolen from you, while an elim revoker would benefit from stealing from you or a thief, actually I don't know why the thief would steal from you since there was no indication that you were going for a bribe and that's the only item that would materially benefit a thief except for a map which the thief doesn't need to possess. The thief doesn't (specifically) start with chalk so going for revocation specialisation doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessential Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Yeah, which is why the only reason it could be a village revoker is if they had a strong suspicion of you being evil. Without that suspicion, they wouldn't have stolen from you, while an elim revoker would benefit from stealing from you or a thief, actually I don't know why the thief would steal from you since there was no indication that you were going for a bribe and that's the only item that would materially benefit a thief except for a map which the thief doesn't need to possess. The thief doesn't (specifically) start with chalk so going for revocation specialisation doesn't make sense. I... think you guys are both saying the same thing? The reasons Ash would be stolen from would be A. he's vil and an elim stole from him or B. a villager had a strong suspicion of him. Or C. the Thief felt like acting unpredictably, or thought Ash would take a Bribe? idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condensation Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Read through it all. I only have one question... what's tinfoiling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessential Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Condensation said: Read through it all. I only have one question... what's tinfoiling? That's when you come up with really outlandish complex impossible theories or give in to ultimate paranoia etc. So basically me in MR46, if you remember that XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condensation Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said: That's when you come up with really outlandish complex impossible theories or give in to ultimate paranoia etc. So basically me in MR46, if you remember that XD Ah. Wow, I need to use that word a lot more. I need to go listen to Weird Al Yankovic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessential Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 @Sart can we get a VC? jk jk I know it's Night. What time does the cycle end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condensation Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said: @Sart can we get a VC? jk jk I know it's Night. What time does the cycle end? 24 hours after it started. So you can go look at the time it started to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbringer Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, Illwei said: Whaddo I got to respond to there? You pointed out three things I said, yeah I said them, whattaboutit? They contradict each other. Explain your reasoning please. 5 minutes ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said: Yeah, which is why the only reason it could be a village revoker is if they had a strong suspicion of you being evil. Without that suspicion, they wouldn't have stolen from you, while an elim revoker would benefit from stealing from you or a thief, actually I don't know why the thief would steal from you since there was no indication that you were going for a bribe and that's the only item that would materially benefit a thief except for a map which the thief doesn't need to possess. The thief doesn't (specifically) start with chalk so going for revocation specialisation doesn't make sense. I also claimed going for a Book with 30 minutes left in the turn. Books are immediately consumed, so the Thief or Revoker wouldn’t get it any. So no, I have no idea why someone took my chalk. Maybe I’m lying about it as part of a deal with the Thief or so people won’t suspect I’m Revoking them tonight. Spoiler, I’m not, but I wouldn’t depend your entire invesigations upon me after I’ve clearly stated I’m here for chaos and Shadowblazes. Anyway, I could have lost it to an Elim, could have lost it to a thief, could have lost it to a Villager. I’ll spend some time figuring out which. Until then, I’m looking at Illwei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessential Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Condensation said: 24 hours after it started. So you can go look at the time it started to find out. Okay, I just wasn't sure 'cause original rollover was at like... 7pm my time and then last night it was at 9pm. So I was wondering whether it'd go back to what it was before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Condensation Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Quinn0928 said: Okay, I just wasn't sure 'cause original rollover was at like... 7pm my time and then last night it was at 9pm. So I was wondering whether it'd go back to what it was before. I don't think it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--- Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said: Okay, I just wasn't sure 'cause original rollover was at like... 7pm my time and then last night it was at 9pm. So I was wondering whether it'd go back to what it was before. I believe that last cycle he said it would stay at this time from now on. Edited January 31, 2021 by Illwei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintessential Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 Just now, Illwei said: I believe that last cycle he said it would stay at this time from now on. M'kay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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