Frustration Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: As to the larger discussion. Could a metalborn kill a Spren with A-Chromium? If so, they could use A-Bronze to find the Radiant's Spren and then kill it with A-Chromium. Alternatively they could use an Ettmetal grenade charge with A-Chromium and throw it at the Radiant while they have their blade summoned. I don't think so, as has been said above, blades are more invested than the Bands
+Bzhydack he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 1 hour ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: As to the larger discussion. Could a metalborn kill a Spren with A-Chromium? If so, they could use A-Bronze to find the Radiant's Spren and then kill it with A-Chromium. Alternatively they could use an Ettmetal grenade charge with A-Chromium and throw it at the Radiant while they have their blade summoned. We dont know. About destrying Shardblade we get RAFO: Quote Calamity Austin signing (Feb. 25, 2016) #4 Share Copy Play/Pause Questioner If you were a Leecher, could you destroy a Shardblade? Brandon Sanderson I'm going to RAFO that for now, let's just say that it would be incredibly difficult if it were possible, and I'm not going to even say if it is. But that kind of power... Questioner Let's just say they were burning duralumin as well. Brandon Sanderson Let's just say that the Investiture in a Shardblade is much greater than your average Allomancer, but... This type of thing is not unheard of in the Cosmere. The larkin, the Leechers, and Nightblood all have a similar sort of thing going on. Destroying a Shardblade would be really hard. And Investiture resists other forms of Investiture, so. #rafo-plus But we know Leecher can prevent someone fro summoning the blade: Quote Warsaw signing (March 18, 2017) #8 Share Copy Questioner (paraphrased) If a Leecher was holding a Shardbearer and burning [chromium], would the Shardbearer be able to summon their Blade? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No.
LewsTherinTelescope Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 5 hours ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: As to the larger discussion. Could a metalborn kill a Spren with A-Chromium? If so, they could use A-Bronze to find the Radiant's Spren and then kill it with A-Chromium. Alternatively they could use an Ettmetal grenade charge with A-Chromium and throw it at the Radiant while they have their blade summoned. Probably not with normal power levels, but someone with the Bands, I'd guess so, honestly.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 20 hours ago, Frustration said: ... You are the only person who reached that conclusion, if it were so Sandmasters could use metal to master Sand. And? You never asked for a sustainable way to use it, it might take a while but it would let you do it. So now attunement matters? Also note I said Lerasium-Tanavastium alloy, are you purposely missing what I'm saying. If you are Metalborn having a bagel bond doesn't stop you from using metals. I feel like you are trying to be difficult. yes sand masters could use metal to fuel their sand mastery if they first realized it was possible, and second worked out how to convert metal to do so. In my opinion it is far more likely that Metalborn would be able to use sand for the simple fact that sand might have trace elements which would require no conversion. Beyond that they might be able to figure out how to convert sand to use their metal born abilities, but wouldn't likely be able to Sand Mastery abilities. 20 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said: Cite your evidence. This has not been confirmed. I cited it in previous posts. 19 hours ago, Bzhydack said: Metalborn are Connected to Preservation by genetics. Why Hoid wasnt using just Stormlight to fuel his Allomancy, but ingested metal instead? Hoid has the largest knowledge about Investiture in Cosmere, and is Lerasium Mistborn (and also Feruchemist). Why he caries metal with him on Roshar, if all he need is Stormlight? Answer is - he dont know how to do this. It isnt simple. This works for Feruchemy. For Allomancy they draw Preservations Investiture throu the metal. It is precisly stated in Hero of Ages, in Wobs, everywhere. Stormlight is Honors Investiture. Literaly Honor essence. To get access to Shard Power you need Connection to this shard. You have Connection to Preservation by being Scadrian. You have Connection to Honor by having Spren. This isnt interchangable (yet). Connected to Harmony by genetics now. Metal is actually more efficient for a metalborn to use so of course Hoid would use metal instead of trying to figure out how to convert stormlight, metal is common after all. It is also likely that their is more stored investiture in Metals than in Spheres of Stormlight. Don't get me wrong I don't think a metal born using stormlight would get Nahel Surges since their investiture is keyed to Harmony, they would still be using their metal abilities unless they formed a Nahel bond then they could use both and probably unlock both types of abilites with either stormlight or metal. When I said F-Duralumin was limiting I meant that only a duralumin fering or full feruchemist could use that method so there must be some other more general method. As for using Tanavastium the investiture provided by Harmony doesn't extend to burning God metals of other shards. I think one of the WOB's I read had Brandon saying that Metal born aren't keyed to other God metals. I wonder, if a Metal born formed a Nahel bond then would that open them to using Tanavastium like any other metal? No one except maybe Brandon knows how to convert from Metal to Stormlight or vice versa yet, so I could be theoretically right. Perhaps we will know after the next Stormlight or mistborn book. I really think that using Stormlight to empower Metal abilities for Scadrian's is far simpler than trying to use Metal to empower Radiant abilities for Rosharan's. Wasn't it Vasher who used Chromamancy and thus Breaths in his discussion with Kaladin? So maybe he has begun to work out how to convert Stormlight to Breath at least on a limited scale.
Aspiring Writer Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, BenduLuke said: I cited it in previous posts. Great. Cite it again. quote yourself if you have to. I have no idea which post it is and don't have the time to look.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Great. Cite it again. quote yourself if you have to. I have no idea which post it is and don't have the time to look. And you think I want to look up one of my previous posts because you didn't take the time to read it first? In a couple of the WOB's Brandon said that you can convert Stormlight to use Allomancy but it would take some work. In others he has said that all forms of Investiture can be converted to any other with some work, though often their are easier ways to achieve the same results.
Frustration Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: When I said F-Duralumin was limiting I meant that only a duralumin fering or full feruchemist could use that method so there must be some other more general method. As for using Tanavastium the investiture provided by Harmony doesn't extend to burning God metals of other shards. I think one of the WOB's I read had Brandon saying that Metal born aren't keyed to other God metals. I wonder, if a Metal born formed a Nahel bond then would that open them to using Tanavastium like any other metal? If that were the case only Mistborn could use Lerasium also Spoiler Stormlightning If Hoid was to get his hands on "bavadinium," could he alloy it with lerasium and get Sand Mastery? Brandon Sanderson This is theoretically possible. FanX 2018 (Sept. 6, 2018)
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 18 hours ago, Frustration said: I don't think so, as has been said above, blades are more invested than the Bands I guess a person could use A-Bronze to find Spren, but It might be simpler to use Aluminum weapons against Spren than A-Chromium. I don't think either would affect the Spren directly but they might remove the stormlight fueling Radiant abilities. How does aluminum or A-chromium affect Kondra? That is how it would probably affect Spren.
Aspiring Writer Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 21 hours ago, Aspiring Writer said: All metalborn can potentially use stormlight to unlock their abilities. Genetics: Alloy of Law. Bonding: Way of Kings - Rhythm of War. Converting: WOB's. That your evidence? @BenduLuke Edited January 29, 2021 by Aspiring Writer
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Frustration said: If that were the case only Mistborn could use Lerasium also Hide contents Stormlightning If Hoid was to get his hands on "bavadinium," could he alloy it with lerasium and get Sand Mastery? Brandon Sanderson This is theoretically possible. FanX 2018 (Sept. 6, 2018) Lerasium is unique among the God metals since it was the vehicle created to grant metal investiture for allomancy on Scadrial and God metals of other planets don't nessisarily have that quality themselves. According to Brandon God metals are weird. Some metals can be burned by any misting allomancer.
Frustration Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, BenduLuke said: Lerasium is unique among the God metals since it was the vehicle created to grant metal investiture for allomancy on Scadrial and God metals of other planets don't nessisarily have that quality themselves. According to Brandon God metals are weird. Some metals can be burned by any misting allomancer. ... no, that is one use, Lerasium has a different purpose that we don't know.
Aspiring Writer Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, BenduLuke said: Lerasium is unique among the God metals since it was the vehicle created to grant metal investiture for allomancy on Scadrial and God metals of other planets don't nessisarily have that quality themselves. According to Brandon God metals are weird. Some metals can be burned by any misting allomancer. Not all of them, Lerasium and perhaps harmonium are the exceptions because he screwed up.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 19 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Genetics: Alloy of Law. Bonding: Way of Kings - Rhythm of War. Converting: WOB's. That your evidence? @BenduLuke No I copied and pasted a couple of WOB's from a search of Stromlight+Allomancy
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Frustration said: ... no, that is one use, Lerasium has a different purpose that we don't know. Larasium also has diferent effects depending on who burns it.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Not all of them, Lerasium and perhaps harmonium are the exceptions because he screwed up. His universe he can't screw up.
Frustration Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 Just now, BenduLuke said: His universe he can't screw up. yes he can. By his own word he has in several places.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 25 minutes ago, Aspiring Writer said: Genetics: Alloy of Law. Bonding: Way of Kings - Rhythm of War. Converting: WOB's. That your evidence? @BenduLuke I'll repost for you one of my evidences here uchoo786 How much crossover is there in use? Like if one "breathes" in the mists they can use it to power their allomancy. Could an Allomancer utilize stormlight to power his allomancy as well? Brandon Sanderson Most of the magics can be hacked together in one way or another, but some are easier to interchange than others.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Frustration said: yes he can. By his own word he has in several places. By that you mean he would do it differently now than he did it in the past? Yes I know he said he goofed, but it is what it is. Edited January 29, 2021 by BenduLuke meant as a question
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 *Prepares to offer opinion* *notices the aggressive atmosphere* Mmmmnot right now. 1
Frustration Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 Just now, Halyo_Alex said: *Prepares to offer opinion* *notices the aggressive atmosphere* Mmmmnot right now. no, please join.
Halyo_Alex he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Frustration said: no, please join. I mean... What's even the primary topic right now? I can't tell exactly what.
Frustration Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: I mean... What's even the primary topic right now? I can't tell exactly what. we've been going on about whether or not Mistborn can used stormlight with only perception difference. If you want to go a different direction..... please, please do.
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: *Prepares to offer opinion* *notices the aggressive atmosphere* Mmmmnot right now. yes please join
BenduLuke he/him Posted January 29, 2021 Posted January 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, Halyo_Alex said: I mean... What's even the primary topic right now? I can't tell exactly what. It was Scadrian' vs Rosharans and periodically someone will compare various Metal abilities vs Radiant abilities. I think this branch diverged from the assertion that Scadrian's can potentially use stormlight more easily than Rosharan's can use metal. Which diverged from Scadrian's more easily forming nahel bonds and becoming radiant. 1 minute ago, Frustration said: we've been going on about whether or not Mistborn can used stormlight with only perception difference. If you want to go a different direction..... please, please do. yeah I would love to get back to comparing a clash between Scadrian's vs Rosharan's with varioous orders vs various metal born abilities. Most people seem to compare all metal born to windrunners and sometimes bondsmiths which we really don't understand very well yet. Or they pull out TLR and or Atium. I personally see more potential with twinborn and their resonances in a conflict with Radiants. a new twin possibility I have been thinking about is an Iron Twin compounder. I wonder if the resonance between A&F could produce living metal skin making them very durable. Would another side effect be immense strength since Iron Ferings like Wax gain proportional strength to manage their increased weight. They would almost certainly become a near immovable person which would aid in pulling.
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