Long Game 72: The Secret of Shinovar

[STINK he/him]

(the correct answer is either gears, quinn or dice btw)

[Illwei]

8 minutes ago, STINK said:

(the correct answer is either gears, quinn or dice btw)

I didn't make the cut?

EDIT: If you're serious then why not give reasoning when asking other people for reasoning

Edited December 9, 2020 by Ooklil' the Wei

[Guest Somebody from Scadrial]

3 minutes ago, Ooklil' the Wei said:

....

What's the reasoning though? I mean, I always wanna vote on Araris, but that's Paranoia, not suspicion :P. 

 

3 minutes ago, Ookla's Dice said:

 

I say no to all of these :P. Especially Eternum, almost nothing could convince me to lynch him. Stink seems... Stink but not evil, really. Still gut reading Lotus as vil.

The lack of pushback has me worried a tad too, though I could argue the votes on everybody else count as pushback. But like does lack of support = pushback? No, not really...

Reasoning. Please, reasoning.

Gut read, not much though. Araris, I just get a Elim vibe from you. I would prefer a TJ lynch, but they don't have any votes.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Vote count:

• Ookla the Shadowed / Experience (3): Ookla's Dice / Matrim's Dice, Flyingbooks42, Lotus
• Ookla the Larkin / Ventyl (2): Ookla the Araris Valerian / Araris Valerian, Ooklil' the Wei / Illwei
• Ookla the Araris Valerian / Araris Valerian (2): Ookla the Shadowed / Experience, Somebody from Sel
• Somebody from Sel (1): TJ Shade
• Furamirionind (1): Ookla the Larkin / Ventyl
• Quinn0928 (1): STINK
• Ookla the Grammatical (1): Furamirionind
• Gears (1): Quinn0928

[Mat he/him]

17 minutes ago, STINK said:

(the correct answer is either gears, quinn or dice btw)

 

8 minutes ago, Somebody from Sel said:

Gut read, not much though. Araris, I just get a Elim vibe from you. I would prefer a TJ lynch, but they don't have any votes.

TJ I want to give more chances for me to read him, though I do gut-read him as evil. Gears is probably fine rn. Quinn... I actually have the most reasons to suspect her, but some of those rely on my other reads being semi-accurate and XP has more support atm. Quinn is also more active which is a plus.

[STINK he/him]

Just now, Ookla's Dice said:

but some of those rely on my other reads being semi-accurate

go on and name em

[Quintessential she/her]

38 minutes ago, Ooklil' the Wei said:

So I don't know why you'd be talking about potentially voting ventyl when you don't want to, so-
Also I mean, as long as your intention isn't to put us at a tie, then...

I brought up Ventyl and XP because they were at the time the only two with more than one vote on them, so if I decided to try to consolidate the lynch more, I'd need to vote one of them. Araris also has two votes now, but I don't have a read on them one way or another and I don't want to jump on a train just 'cause someone else did (I've done enough of that already, and I usually end up changing my mind at some point after I do it, sometimes once it's too late already).

[Mat he/him]

2 minutes ago, STINK said:

go on and name em

I already have :P. Multiple times. Still just my team prediction of Quinn, XP, TJ, one more.

I just have noticed those three (Quinn and TJ in particular) read each other as null/null +, which seems like an elim thing to do to teammates early game unless you're in to heavy bussing. Those three are more likely elims together than elims alone, imo.

Edit: Gotta go be productive now, I'll be back 15 minutes ish before EoD.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Ookla's Dice

[Flyingbooks]

Since the votes on the top 3 people are 3-2-2, this lynch is especially vulnerable to vote manipulation, and we know that the elims have at least 1 (2 if they got Kalak's blade) source of vote manipulation, so voting is especially important now. 

[STINK he/him]

3 minutes ago, Ookla's Dice said:

Those three are more likely elims together than elims alone, imo.

The D2 whole team read, I'm for it

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, STINK said:

The D2 whole team read, I'm for it

*sigh* okay then Experience you guys are going to pursue this until one of the three of us dies, and I don't want the first one to be me. If XP flips elim I assume you guys will think I bussed them, so whatever, vote me out--at least I'll have helped remove one elim. 

[Mat he/him]

13 minutes ago, STINK said:

The D2 whole team read, I'm for it

ikr. god-tier reads :P.

12 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

*sigh* okay then Experience you guys are going to pursue this until one of the three of us dies, and I don't want the first one to be me. If XP flips elim I assume you guys will think I bussed them, so whatever, vote me out--at least I'll have helped remove one elim. 

It's always up for debate, always free to change my reads. Let's just see what happens.

yes. I lied about being productive :P. I was for... ten minutes?

[STINK he/him]

2 minutes ago, Ookla's Dice said:

It's always up for debate, always free to change my reads. Let's just see what happens.

Here is where you switch to Quinn

[Experience he/him]

Ok... So. Lotus seems like they are just jumping on the me train. Does someone have a current vote count?

[+JesterLavorre she/they]

I would really prefer a Connie or Quinn vote, here, as they would give us some more information. However, it doesn’t look like that’s going to happen, and I don’t want to open this up even more to vote manip.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

7 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

I brought up Ventyl and XP because they were at the time the only two with more than one vote on them, so if I decided to try to consolidate the lynch more, I'd need to vote one of them. Araris also has two votes now, but I don't have a read on them one way or another and I don't want to jump on a train just 'cause someone else did (I've done enough of that already, and I usually end up changing my mind at some point after I do it, sometimes once it's too late already).

There's enough time for you to vote on someone you actually suspect and then switch later if its nonviable (this made more sense at the time I started writing this post). For instance, TJ Shade. Supposedly a lot of people want to vote for him, but nobody has.

I'm not voting Gears today. I'm somewhat surprised the votes for Connie went away, but that might be a point in her favor. Quinn is slipping but not yet vote-worthy. Don't have a lot on Fura. I'd look at SfS if XP flips elim. The post Araris was voted on for doesn't seem especially suspicious and nothing else is particularly AI. The Ventyl votes are for supporting Condensation. I don't know why the Truthless would be indifferent to someone getting voted out, as the Truthless had no special information about alignment and just wanted to get votes for themself. The Experience votes are for an odd vote on Araris, apparent odd tone, and PM reasons. Of the XP voters, I'm feeling better about Matrim, Books seems fine, and I'm not feeling great about Quinn or Lotus.

[Experience he/him]

Here we go. Quinn. Like, really. Their playstyle has been different, they voted on me(which should be enough ) but is probably just jumping on the train. Umm. There's probably more stuff, but wanted to put this out there. @Ookla the Sprinkle, feel free to vote for quinn now.

[+JesterLavorre she/they]

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Shadowed said:

Here we go. Quinn. Like, really. Their playstyle has been different, they voted on me(which should be enough ) but is probably just jumping on the train. Umm. There's probably more stuff, but wanted to put this out there. @Ookla the Sprinkle, feel free to vote for quinn now.

Now I’m doubting myself, because this seems like a really good way to get Quinn killed/save yourself and pin it on me.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Vote count:

• Ookla the Shadowed / Experience (4): Ookla's Dice / Matrim's Dice, Flyingbooks42, Lotus, Quinn0928
• Ookla the Larkin / Ventyl (2): Ookla the Araris Valerian / Araris Valerian, Ooklil' the Wei / Illwei
• Quinn0928 (2): STINK, Ookla the Shadowed / Experience
• Ookla the Araris Valerian / Araris Valerian (1): Somebody from Sel
• Somebody from Sel (1): TJ Shade
• Furamirionind (1): Ookla the Larkin / Ventyl
• Ookla the Grammatical (1): Furamirionind
• TJ Shade (1): Ookla the Hypodecadal / Devotary of Spontaneity

Edited December 10, 2020 by Ookla Fell From The Sky
Forgot to cancel Quinn's vote on Gears

[Quintessential she/her]

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Shadowed said:

Here we go. Quinn. Like, really. Their playstyle has been different, they voted on me(which should be enough ) but is probably just jumping on the train. Umm. There's probably more stuff, but wanted to put this out there. @Ookla the Sprinkle, feel free to vote for quinn now.

I'm still confused as to how my playstyle is different, beyond what you would expect given that this time I'm not hiding the important secret of being the one who RBd Gears, and give that I'm not being hopelessly pocketed by Gears either. 

[Experience he/him]

Just now, Quinn0928 said:

I'm still confused as to how my playstyle is different, beyond what you would expect given that this time I'm not hiding the important secret of being the one who RBd Gears, and give that I'm not being hopelessly pocketed by Gears either. 

Oh ya, I also forgot. You seem to be being pretty defensive this game.

[Condensation she/her]

3 hours ago, Furamirionind said:

Perfect time to kill you? =)

N--no, why would you think that?

58 minutes ago, Flyingbooks42 said:

Only 12 out of 22 people have voted so far and there are around one and a half hours left until the cycle ends. The greatest number of people voting on one person is 3, so the elims could easily control this lynch.

@Gears @Ookla the Hypodecadal @Ookla the Grammatical @Ookla who goes DORIYAH!! @eltruT @Ookla the Watcher @The Windrunner Supreme @Ookla the Sprinkle @Alvron @Eternum  Please vote or explain why you aren't voting. Overall, which people seem most suspicious to you and why? 

 

Hi, I'm not voting because I haven't really been examining posts. My natural instinct is to read Fura as elim because they're voting me and I can't tell if they're reconsidering, but I think that's false. I'm not suspicious of Quinn much, so I might be convinced to join for her. I haven't seen much of Ventyl and haven't been paying as much attention as I should to XP.

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Hypodecadal said:

 I'm somewhat surprised the votes for Connie went away, but that might be a point in her favor. 

Heh heh, posted that thing on the wrong thread. A lot of the votes that were on me seem bandwagon-y, but I'm not entirely sure. Most people I've seen seem to be reading me as village, so it's kind of confusing.

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Ookla the Shadowed said:

Oh ya, I also forgot. You seem to be being pretty defensive this game.

Yes, hmmmm, let's ask ourselves why that is... Oh, right, maybe I seem more defensive this game compared to last because last game nobody accused me of being an elim, ever, so there was no reason for me to be defensive in the first place. 

Just now, Ookla the Grammatical said:

I'm not suspicious of Quinn much, so I might be convinced to join for her. I haven't seen much of Ventyl and haven't been paying as much attention as I should to XP.

Yes please? This game is too interesting for me to die D2...

[Experience he/him]

Just gonna say, if I'm lynched, my elim-ist reads right now are quinn and lotus. Illwei seems weird to me, i dunno. I'm pretty sure matrim is village even though they're voting on me. Umm. I don't know what to think of Araris, so wouldn't be suprised if they're elim. 

3 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

Yes, hmmmm, let's ask ourselves why that is... Oh, right, maybe I seem more defensive this game compared to last because last game nobody accused me of being an elim, ever, so there was no reason for me to be defensive in the first place. 

Yes please? This game is too interesting for me to die D2...

Not just last game, over all your games that I've played for you. And that really does seem very defensive.

I could say the same...

Just saying, I'm fine with dying as it will give the village some (hopefully) good info on where to take the next few lynches.

EDIT: @Quinn0928, do you have a reason why I should trust you?

Edited December 10, 2020 by Ookla the Shadowed

[Quintessential she/her]

Just now, Ookla the Shadowed said:

Not just last game, over all your games that I've played for you. 

Uhhhhh I've only played two complete games so I have no idea what you're talking about. My first one I was elim but I barely said anything, so there wasn't exactly much room for me to be defensive there.