Illwei Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said: Personally, my guess is that Ishar already has claimed, and the vote-manip on me was a way to prove it (since it didn't actually appear to do anything). SfS did the same thing to prove to Danex that they were a vote-maniper in MR46. Well, in that case, the confirmee...confirmer....both of them! both of them can claim to me! we can have a nice trust circle and have a bonfire and roast marshmallows and make smores and tell campfire stories and whatnot just have a good time 3 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said: I second this motion. All in favor? Edited December 10, 2020 by Ooklil' the Wei
Furamirionind They/Any/All Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: All in favor? Aye! 1
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ookla the Araris Valerian said: Hmm. I don't think an elim would cancel a vote on Quinn. Especially since I agree with Fura about Quinn being whatever that acronym is. That means most likely an elim canceled the vote on Ventyl. Just quoting you randomly out of everyone. Adhesion removes a players vote, not a vote from a player. That means one of Experience and SfS had their vote removed, and one of Araris, Illwei, Fura, and Condensation had their vote cancelled. SfS's first and only vote was on Quinn, while Experience switched from Araris to Quinn slightly over half an hour before rollover. Araris and Fura had their votes on Ventyl for a while, while Fura switched from Condensation to Ventyl four minutes before rollover and Condensation had no prior votes.
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said: I second this motion. 1 minute ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: All in favor? Aye!
Quintessential she/her Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Ookla the Hypodecadal said: Just quoting you randomly out of everyone. Adhesion removes a players vote, not a vote from a player. That means one of Experience and SfS had their vote removed, and one of Araris, Illwei, Fura, and Condensation had their vote cancelled. SfS's first and only vote was on Quinn, while Experience switched from Araris to Quinn slightly over half an hour before rollover. Araris and Fura had their votes on Ventyl for a while, while Fura switched from Condensation to Ventyl four minutes before rollover and Condensation had no prior votes. I assume you meant STINK's first and only vote was on me. SfS didn't vote me at all last cycle. Also, thank you for pointing that out, I hadn't realized that was how it worked... I take it that what you're saying is, if somebody was already cancelling XP's vote and they weren't on when XP switched, then the cancellation would transfer to me?
Ookla-son-son-Ventyl Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Furamirionind said: Aye! We are on the same wave length. 1
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said: I assume you meant STINK's first and only vote was on me. SfS didn't vote me at all last cycle. Also, thank you for pointing that out, I hadn't realized that was how it worked... I take it that what you're saying is, if somebody was already cancelling XP's vote and they weren't on when XP switched, then the cancellation would transfer to me? Yeah, I looked at where Experience's vote previously was and saw SfS on that same person and ended up switching SfS and Stink. Yes, if someone cancelled XP's vote when it was on Araris, it would still remove a vote from you.
Quintessential she/her Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Ookla the Hypodecadal said: Yeah, I looked at where Experience's vote previously was and saw SfS on that same person and ended up switching SfS and Stink. Yes, if someone cancelled XP's vote when it was on Araris, it would still remove a vote from you. Araris only had one or two votes that whole cycle, though, right? ...right? Now I need to go look at vote history
Flyingbooks Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 Tsezn watched the voting in equal parts awe, confusion, and frustration. They had known that Shinovar's culture was as strange as its landscape, but had not expected this. Was there some sort of tradition here about ties and resolving them through covert Surgebinding? Well, at least it meant that they'd had the opportunity to take notes on two of the Honorblades before they were whisked away to be given to random people. What was it with this place and randomness? 3 minutes ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: All in favor? I'm going to vote against this and get others to vote against it too just so that we can have a tie on it for the irony. 1
Furamirionind They/Any/All Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Ookla the Hypodecadal said: Just quoting you randomly out of everyone. Adhesion removes a players vote, not a vote from a player. That means one of Experience and SfS had their vote removed, and one of Araris, Illwei, Fura, and Condensation had their vote cancelled. SfS's first and only vote was on Quinn, while Experience switched from Araris to Quinn slightly over half an hour before rollover. Araris and Fura had their votes on Ventyl for a while, while Fura switched from Condensation to Ventyl four minutes before rollover and Condensation had no prior votes. I don't think Araris was ever in danger of the lynch, while Quinn did look at one point like she could? Idk, I think both were pretty far fetched most of the cycle. If someone was genuinely trying to protect Quinn, I think they either forgot to remove that action or haven't been on since earlier this cycle, which is possible, though I wouldn't bet on it. That's why I don't disagree with the theory that this was Ishar trying to prove who they are. While I wanted and still want Grammar lynched, I think it was very clear all cycle that wasn't going to happen. I don't believe my vote was the one removed due to that. So my conclusion again for Ventyl is someone wanted Ventyl alive.
Devotary of Spontaneity Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, Quinn0928 said: Araris only had one or two votes that whole cycle, though, right? ...right? Yes, Araris was never in more danger than you were.
Quintessential she/her Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ookla the Hypodecadal said: Yes, Araris was never in more danger than you were. Well, there was one point when they were tied for second with Ventyl (each of them had two votes) and XP had three votes. If somebody had seen the situation then, they might have gotten concerned... but that seems unlikely Edit: Is it bad that I can totally imagine Bearer-of-Ishar's-Blade!STINK removing his own vote on me just to see what we thought of it and laugh at our stupidity? Edited December 10, 2020 by Quinn0928
Flyingbooks Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, Quinn0928 said: Well, there was one point when they were tied for second with Ventyl (each of them had two votes) and XP had three votes. If somebody had seen the situation then, they might have gotten concerned... but that seems unlikely And either way, after that point the Adhesion user would have had the chance to cancel their action, so I think that Quinn is probably right about the vote-manip being for the purpose of roleclaim confirmation.
Quintessential she/her Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, Flyingbooks42 said: And either way, after that point the Adhesion user would have had the chance to cancel their action, so I think that Quinn is probably right about the vote-manip being for the purpose of roleclaim confirmation. It just seems kind of like a waste of Stormlight to me. I mean, why not wait until you actually want to vote-manip someone and then claim and tell the person what to look for?
Flyingbooks Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, Quinn0928 said: It just seems kind of like a waste of Stormlight to me. I mean, why not wait until you actually want to vote-manip someone and then claim and tell the person what to look for? Any other option would be even more of a waste of Stormlight. At least this possibility actually has an effect.
Quintessential she/her Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 Just now, Flyingbooks42 said: Any other option would be even more of a waste of Stormlight. At least this possibility actually has an effect. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Why are you... I don't get it?
Flyingbooks Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Quinn0928 said: Yes, that's what I'm saying. Why are you... I don't get it? You don't get what? This was probably some sort of miscommunication.
Illwei Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 Hi, Last plea for the Stone Shaman to claim to me! pretty please ;-; I'll give you cookies! or tea! or hot chocolate! or coffee! Not good conversation, can't guarantee you that...
Mat he/him Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, Ooklil' the Wei said: Hi, Last plea for the Stone Shaman to claim to me! pretty please ;-; I'll give you cookies! or tea! or hot chocolate! or coffee! Not good conversation, can't guarantee you that... I still think it's hilarious you're asking this after everyone (you included) blew up at me at the suggestion...
Araris Valerian he/him Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 If there ever has been a player that embodies the opposite of PM safety, that player is Illwei.
Condensation she/her Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 Yep, I agree. What would you even call that?
+JesterLavorre she/they Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 This means it could have been XP who protected Matrim. Just a thought. I don't know if it means anything, but now we know one of the two roles who could have protected mat was in the hands of a villager. Secondly, I feel like the vote removal was possibly an attempt to make Ventyl look suspicious. I've definitely considered doing that in my previous elim game, and it's a possibility.
He who goes DORIYAH!! he/him Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 I have to be honest, I have no idea what's going on anymore. I missed the end of Day2, so it's just all of a sudden a ton of vote manipulation and implications for every possibility...sigh. Well, I guess the bright side is that this is way more interesting than regular mafia. My current thoughts on the matter? Nothing. At all. 3
Eternum he/him Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 Wait, Ishar's Blade? What's going on here? Can someone get me a vote tally before all the cancellations or whatever?
Furamirionind They/Any/All Posted December 10, 2020 Posted December 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Eternum said: Wait, Ishar's Blade? What's going on here? Can someone get me a vote tally before all the cancellations or whatever? The same as what's in the writeup. Pre-vote manip is just one added vote onto Ventyl and Quinn. This means both Ishar's blade and Kaladin's powers were used Ookla the Shadowed / Experience (4): Ookla's Dice / Matrim's Dice, Flyingbooks42, Lotus, Quinn0928 Ookla the Larkin / Ventyl (3): Ookla the Araris Valerian / Araris Valerian, Ooklil' the Wei / Illwei, Furamirionind, Ookla the Grammatical / Condensation Quinn0928 (1): STINK, Ookla the Shadowed / Experience Ookla the Araris Valerian / Araris Valerian (1): Somebody from Sel Somebody from Sel (1): TJ Shade Furamirionind (1): Ookla the Larkin / Ventyl Gears (1): Quinn0928 TJ Shade (1): Ookla the Hypodecadal / Devotary of Spontaneity
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