Was anyone ready for the King T bombshell? ROW SPOILERS

[Elsecaller_17.5 he/him]

That more then anything shocked me. Completely out of left field.  I cannot believe Rasye is out of the picture that easily.

[Illwei]

NO i was NOT prepared at ALL for that. 

I actually wheezed. Like, some sort of Wheezing fit. I don't know what my family thought when they heard me but-
It's absolutely terrifying I am completely terrified absolutely terrified this is scary. 

Yeah- about Rayse. I can't imagine how much easier this next part would be if it were with Rayse and not Terravangian :P. welp. 

 

Edited November 18, 2020 by Illwei

[Kered he/him]

Put the book down for a full 5 minutes and yelled “WHAT” so loud my fiancé thought we were being robbed. 

[Alcatur]

I may have slightly risen a brow. It was quite unexpected; I thought there would be some final gambit, but not this.

[ScavellTane]

Was thinking that NB would just wound Odium. Not a complete take over/swap.

[Necessary Eagle she/her]

5 hours ago, Kered said:

Put the book down for a full 5 minutes and yelled “WHAT” so loud my fiancé thought we were being robbed. 

same here. Well, I don't have a fiance, but my brother was somewhat alarmed by my violent cursing.

 

Taravodium gives me the screaming willies. "I can finally protect everyone... using the power of cosmic hatred. Nope, can't see that going wrong in any way!"

Do you think they're going to have to rename raysium?

Edited November 18, 2020 by Necessary Eagle

[Lord Meeker he/him]

1 hour ago, Necessary Eagle said:

Do you think they're going to have to rename raysium?

Taravangianium, perhaps? Bit of a mouthful if you ask me

[Hessi's Ward she/her]

Why not Vargodium or Taravangium?

No, I wasn't ready At. All.

And the epilogue killed me and I am nothing but a Shade wailing around in disbelief.

[+Aletus he/him]

Might as well put this here. 

Spoiler

Nightblood eats investiture. Nightblood did not eat the Shard after killing Rayse. 

Thats... interesting

 

[Illwei]

17 minutes ago, Arch1tect said:

Might as well put this here. 

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Nightblood eats investiture. Nightblood did not eat the Shard after killing Rayse. 

Thats... interesting

 

I mean, Nighblood does have it's limits- Before in books he gets sleepy after eating. Rayse was a vessel, so I assume that even that leaves a lot more investiture in a person, even if the Shard is somehow separated from them. Eating Rayse, uh, especially with the circumstances I think, tired Nightblood out. 

[Subvisual Haze]

Oh Cultivation you brilliant fool.

[Illwei]

1 minute ago, Subvisual Haze said:

Oh Cultivation you brilliant fool.

See I'm wondering if Cultivation is actually...trying to do what Odium did? and trying to use Odium to accomplish it? It...I don't see how it would make sense with her Intent, but- yeah. 

I guess Rayse was close to dying with Odium, and theoretically a controlled swap of Vessel is better than the power just being released and finding someone...like....Szeth? 

[Subvisual Haze]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

See I'm wondering if Cultivation is actually...trying to do what Odium did? and trying to use Odium to accomplish it? It...I don't see how it would make sense with her Intent, but- yeah. 

I guess Rayse was close to dying with Odium, and theoretically a controlled swap of Vessel is better than the power just being released and finding someone...like....Szeth? 

I'm glad we placed the most dangerous shard into the hands of an utterly amoral genius.  What could possibly go wrong.

[Illwei]

Just now, Subvisual Haze said:

I'm glad we placed the most dangerous shard into the hands of an utterly amoral genius.  What could possibly go wrong.

technically she might have been hoping that since it was his most Empathetic/Emotional day, he would stay that way forever :P.

Edited November 18, 2020 by Illwei

[TheOneKEA]

I was utterly shocked. I never never never NEVER expected Taravangian to take up the Odium Shard.

I have a very bad feeling that we will see just how terrifying the unrestrained emotion of a capital-G God can truly be.

[Illwei]

Just now, TheOneKEA said:

I have a very bad feeling that we will see just how terrifying the unrestrained emotion of a capital-G God can truly be.

:))))))))))))))

[Lord Meeker he/him]

*nobody ever* 

*Brandon Sanderson* let have Taravangian take up Rayse's power after killing

*us now* well pack your bags Roshar is doomed.

[+robardin he/him]

2 hours ago, Subvisual Haze said:

I'm glad we placed the most dangerous shard into the hands of an utterly amoral genius.  What could possibly go wrong.

But he was like in his stupidest / most Passionate phase of mind when he Ascended. I thought that would have somehow been reflected, but he sure sounded like Pretty Smart Taravangian afterward, didn't he? Maybe that was unforeseen by Culti?

[Harkain he/him]

3 minutes ago, robardin said:

But he was like in his stupidest / most Passionate phase of mind when he Ascended. I thought that would have somehow been reflected, but he sure sounded like Pretty Smart Taravangian afterward, didn't he? Maybe that was unforeseen by Culti?

I think there was a reference somewhere saying that picking up a shard expanded someone intelligence wise?

[NameIess]

I was not ready. I also didn't care all that much. I was in shock after Kaladin's ending.

[Seloun]

Anger + Odium + Taravangian =>

Mad + Hatred + Taravangian => Mad HatTar

Which leads to the obvious conclusion: Carroll predicted this.

Alice (Shallan) falls down a hole (chasm) and has a companion that is often mostly invisible (Pattern). Through the Looking Glass is an obvious allegory for travelling to Shadesmar.

Also, I propose Mad HatTar as an alias for Taravangian!Odium.

[Rainier]

I'm still in shock at the ramifications.

First of all, The Diagram was ultimately part of Cultivation's plan to murder Rayse with Nightblood, then have Taravangian in place to take up the Shard.

Second, Taravangian may have read all of Hoid's memories, which should have caught him up nicely with the state of the Cosmere, and more importantly the history of the Cosmere and the Shattering.

Third, he is on a collision course with Dalinar in just ten days time

6 hours ago, Subvisual Haze said:

I'm glad we placed the most dangerous shard into the hands of an utterly amoral genius.  What could possibly go wrong.

Cultivation had a significant impact on the person he became after he visited her. She wanted it in the hands of someone she had sculpted, instead of anyone she had not. And the sly dragon has gotten her way thus far. The only question now, what the heck is her way? Why maneuver Dalinar and Taravangian into place right as the final clash between Odium and what's-left-of-Honor?

What is she planning on happening in ten days?

[Elsecaller_17.5 he/him]

17 hours ago, ScavellTane said:

Was thinking that NB would just wound Odium. Not a complete take over/swap.

I mean this is actually what Brandon told us would happen. Vessel destroyed but shard unharmed 

[Eternal Khol he/him]

21 hours ago, Elsecaller_17.5 said:

That more then anything shocked me. Completely out of left field.  I cannot believe Rasye is out of the picture that easily.

It was really weird for me. 
 

i wasn’t expecting it, but at the same time it was like Déjà Vu.

[Tahva4815]

Created an account here JUST BECAUSE OF THIS TWIST.

On one hand it was one of the most shocking things yet in the entire series and in a book that NEEDED to up the stakes going into Book 5 this twist 100% succeeded in making me  absolutely TERRIFIED of the implications of this.

On the other hand it came out of absolutely nowhere and I think I need to see how it plays out before being sure about it, like we've heard so much about how bad of a man Rayse was only for that to....not really matter at all?