Eternal Khol

Just wouldn't have the same ring to it if it ended up being The Fires of Jalorpalorp, or something like that

Was it not the “Fifth god”? which Topaz learns right before his head is cut off, is actually Emperor Aronack

It seems to me that the getting drawn into the Beyond happens after one dies, obivously, and their spiritweb starts to “dissolve”. Their dissolving Spiritweb being the last thing holding/tying them to the Cosmere A things presence in the three realms, Spiritual mostly, is kind of what gives it existence/meaning/form in the cosmere. And after one dies, their spiritweb, what made them, them…. start to dissolve away, and when none is left, their mind, it feels like to me, who know what it is, is sucked to the Beyond. its possible that when a Shadow is made, nothing is actually sent to the beyond at that time and their reinvoigoration through Investiture just firmly latches their mind/being back to the Cosmere. They are changed, of course, but could maybe still be the same person. If the OG does get sucked to the beyond and the Shadow is just a “copy” i have this idea in my head of after a Shadow dies(if Shadows also go Beyond after they “die”), going to the Beyond and just…. Meeting and chilling with the OG, theirself, and recounting all they had done after the OGs death XD

With the public release of Dragonsteel Prime and knowing that Aether of Night was supposed to be set in the future after DS Prime, apparentely even having some of the same characters... i have been on the lookout for any conenctions and I thought id make this post to theorize and discuss on potential Conenctions ill spoiler the DS Prime info(not sure if i need to? Just being safe though) To start off, I Imagine that the "Shards" in Aether of Night are probably the characters from DS Prime that Brandon was talking about(Hoid is also apparentely in the book... but i dont think anyone has ever found him... so that might just be Brandon misremembering...) DS Prime spoilers Another interesting potential connection i found is that In Aether we find out that during their battle the Fell Twins used their powers(Order & Chaos) to create different "tools" to aide their side in the battle... which culminated in them eventually creating the Night and Illuminous Aethers which are said to be Order and Chaos(the raw power of creation...) in their pure forms... which The Former says was forbidden to men... DS Prime spoilers I havent done a proper reread of Aether since DS Prime's release so thats all i can think of off the top of my head... what connections have you found?

I took that not to mean that their gestation period is insanely long but that the Sho Del numbers are dwindling and if she became an adult, Du Len would pretty much be forced to spend the next 20 years pushing out kid after kid to help perpetuate their race. I dont know, even if someone doesnt know what fain is youd think that a massive bone white tree in the middle of a forest of greenery would merit a mention or some reaction. I always imagined their second set of arms as being like Stitch's from Lilo & Stitch lol. Coming out of the body under the first set, around the waist/ribcage area.

That does seem to be the case... i just wish wed get more of a confirmation. A DS Prime spoiler stream would be awesome! but i get there probably wouldnt be much demand now that its not canon

Yes sir

Good catch! The way the magic is initiated is supposed to reflect the Intent of the Shard(s) as Brandon's said he doesnt want a Shards magic to be limited to its Intent, in what it can do, otherwise the magic itself would be rather limited.

It definitely could be with Brandon saying there is "a" Dawnshard in this book(Hoid is obvi one).... but i cant get out of my head that Frost stated that Hoid has "the power of life" and Jerick "the power of destruction" Doruse also mentions watching over "the source of power'... and Aronacks response is "so thats where he came from?" like there was a Dawnshard or something was present in the village and Jerick found it.

Thats what ive been thinking as well! along those lines anyway. I saw a theory on reddit where someone was thinking that maybe Dragons were "cursed" to have or spend part of their life in human form.. but i was thinking the opposite. That Dragons are just like that. Naturally magical, immortal and having a human form. id also think, if anything, that Dragons as a race are probably older than humans as a race, so if anything, humans are based off of a Dragons "mortal" form The Creation story and some other bits definitely suggest so imo Maybe Adonalsium, for in all their perfectness, saw a flaw in them.. maybe he wanted to created non-divine beings so that they could eventually elevate to and fully appreciate divinity themselves? or even just mortality? edit: the Iriali religion of The One is kinda popping into my head?

Oh wow. So he came up with it pretty much right after HoA. Kinda new to us. but def not new. I saw that WoB too but totally missed the 2009 part at the end

I was looking through WoB's for a specific one and came across this interesting one regarding Atium that i think suggests Brandon had the Atium retcon in mind since at least 2010 The questioner asks what a Atium-Lerasium alloy would do and Brandon goes on to describe Atium as granting "you a glimpse into the vision of everything - past, present, future" We know that the Atium in Era 1 only granted a limited vision of the future not "a glimpse into the vision of everything - past, present, future" So Brandon probably has had the Atium retcon in mind for going on 15 years now Just thought it was interesting and id share https://wob.coppermind.net/events/291/#e9448

I was just thinking of this not 5 minutes ago.... had some theory or idea, regarding Hemalurgy, pop into my head but it totally went out the window when i thought "hemalurged" XD

yeah, I probably should.... but DS Prime was never traditionally published or edited and was written so long ago, so i didnt want to just follow suit and just not label it as narrator/third person omniscent just because the published books dont have those kinds of PoV's.(White Sand Prose and, like i noted, Mythwalker, which were both written directly after DS Prime also have Narrator PoV's) There are a couple PoV's that are def the narrator/third person omniscent, so i dont want to knock the idea that these PoV's might be as well

Mythwalker's Prologue has a third person omniscent PoV https://www.brandonsanderson.com/warbreaker-prime-mythwalker-prologue/ But, yeah, Jerick and Frost are who i was thinking on the first two as well. Not so sure on the last one

im doing a character analysis of Dragonsteel Prime, like i have done for, Way of Kings Prime, Aether of Night, and Mythwalker in the past But i need help identifying who a couple of PoV's belong to. There were a few PoV’s I had a hard time placing as the narrator(third person omniscent) or a specific character For example: Chapter One’s first PoV of “The Lumbermans son was born into a world of magic" and the whole "narrator-y" exposition of Jericks early life that followed is the narrator correct? or is that a Jerick PoV? Then in Interlude one, between Frost and Topaz, there isnt really any internal dialogue or such presented from either of them to give any indication as to who’s PoV it is. Only “Frost said” and “Topaz said” but the interlude does end with a “narrator-y” paragraph. i cant tell if this is either a Frost or a Narrator PoV? Then in the middle of chapter 52, directly after Topaz does his healing/growth blast we get this PoV(This Is the whole PoV) Narrator right?(seems kind of obvious on this one, but i dont want to be wrong on my analysis)

Oh for sure, the Creation story shouldn't be taken as fact. I was just trying to pair any parts of it i could with anything Frost or anyone else said. Yeah, it def could be. I just never really considered them as Frost states that he cant do magic/Microkinesis. I just assumed the rest couldnt either... not a very good assumption though, i guess. PS. Frosty does say/think to himself though at one point that he has "never lied" and that seemed a truth, so i believe, that at the least, Frost himself cant do magic/Microkinesis

Oh yeah... her powers were gone at that point... I didnt even think of that lol Yeah, Im just theorizing off the fact that all three use Microkinesis and Hoid and probably Jerick have a Dawnshard so there powers would prob be diff than" normal" magic/Microkinesis(running on the hunch that there is a "normal" non-Dawnshard Microkinesis) It definitely seems it can be given/ taken away by them... humans apparently used to be magical then it was forbidden them "thousands" of years ago, Frost says. Its never said that the gods did that, but it had to either be "proto-Ado" or the gods themselves... I feel like all humans, like the "creation story" and Frost suggests/states, were/used to be magical/Microkinetic(i feel like most magic was Microkinesis back then?) and those past, magical humans are also who Frost might have been referring to when saying that "For many, that is the extent of their powers, you know?" Yeah, the tree does seem probable. Seemingly older/larger than the rest and constantly being struck by lightning but is fine... def outside of normal... i just wish there was some sort of scene that would have... made it clear

I dont think that one is an continuity error actually... Ryalla was right. Hoid was actually not capable of bending light. He could only "Scatter it" like a prism making a rainbow, and says that he couldn't even make his ring dissapear let alone himself(like how Ryalla uses her lightweaving to hide/dissapear) Its something ive kind of thought, in one form or another, for while, and was happy to see someone have the same though on reddit, just yesterday, but it seems like they could all do Microkinesis of some sort. Maybe Hoids and Jericks versions would be like Ryalla's but are "flavored" by the Dawnshards...? Fr! I wish we could ask Brandon! there are 1/2 questions i am dying to know... what was "the source of power" Doruse was talking about? I mean it obviously was a Dawnshard... but what item was it in? When did jerick have contact? And where did Ryalla get her magic??? Did Frost or one of The five do something to her at some point?... Aronack took it away... maybe he also gifted it to her for whatever reason?

I just remembered i forgot to post this last time, but there is something at the end that makes me think Ryalla was just a magic user and not a Dawnshard. Throughout the book Aronack tries to get Hoid to give him the Dawnshard.... apparently Aronack cant just take it from Hoid. It seems it has to be given? At least once being used by a person already Then at the end of the book when Ryalla is imitating Oreon/Aronack with her lightweaving, Oreon/Aronack himself shows up/speaks into Ryalla's mind and says that "you should not have imitated me" before making her lightweaving fail... but he didnt just make it fail, judging from Ryalla's second to last PoV, he actually took her power away as still hadnt gotten it back and muses on the idea if she ever would. So i dont think she was a Dawnshard since Aronack was able to just take her magic away. Im not an expert at all and might just be confusing myself here XD, but i didnt see anything wrong with jerick shooting lightning and Frost mentipning nuclear bonds?... maybe "nuclear bonds" wasnt the right term there? but the electromagnetism part seems right, to me. Axi are atoms right?, so sub-axi should also be protons, electrons, and neutrons(and by extension, quarks & leptons) Therefore in the "spontaneous bridge of negative sub-axi between two conductors" line, the "negative sub-axi" should be electrons(negatively charged) which are held in place by electromagnetism... right? The Strong Force is what holds the Protons and Neutrons in place

I think i found a one... or a couple, i guess. The country of "Aldbin"(named on the map and mentioned throughout the book) and one of the Nine Lords "Aldvin" seem to get mixed up a number of times throughout the book There is a number of times they seem to have used "Aldvin"(The Wise) when talking about "Aldbin" the country Here is a line from chapter 13 where "Aldbin" is mentioned correctly "Aldbin, directly south of Melerand, a land populated mostly by cattlemen and farmers. Here is one example from chapter 11 where "Aldbin" in incorrectly referred to as "Aldvin" "Aldvin has always been one of the most stable of the Middle Kingdoms"

I got the feels that Hoid and Jerick are the Dawnshards and Ryalla was... just a girl capable of doing magic? Apparently, all? Humans were capable of doing magic thousands of years ago, or Microkinesis, which i feel like all magic was/is called , but as Topaz said, he thinks that "Prohibition" is being rescinded, so for whatever reason Ryalla can do magic now. Thats my take anyhow Hoid and Jerick seem to be able to directly affect or change things... Causing Growth or Healing & Destruction/splitting things apart... Ryalla seems to only manipulate whats around her, albeit in some pretty powerful ways. Though, i guess that could just be due to having different Dawnshards/powers, but i never got that vibe.

Been waiting for everyone to be able to read/talk about this one! Tis one of my favorites! I love that everyone can finally meet meet and read all these characters but mostly my guy Bat'Chor! who is still canonically the closest thing Hoid has had to a best friend Theres a lot to unpack and talk about but a couple Cosmere relations/tidbits id like to specifically mention are that, first, i love that even back then Brandon had the Dragons as these amazing mythical beings that could receive/answer prayers! Just always thought it was such a cool element and i loved to see being used back then and even now!.... Second, Frost is for sure Drephrast right!?! The leader of the Dragons!? And third.... "The Father".... thats got to be proto-Adonalsium?! Its definitely worth a read and even though it is not canon, for those looking, i feel like the little nuggets or echoes of truth in it has helped better form the idea/story in my head of why in the Canon Cosmere, the Shattering happened Edit: B$ has also said that a coupe characters from Dragonsteel Prime were in Aether of Night... I wonder who it is Aether is supposed to be the first appearance of a Shard and Dragonsteel was supposed to be the story of the Shattering... so im assuming that some of the Dragonsteel characters eventually became the Shard(s) in Aether.... maybe Aronack was supposed to be Decay!???! It seems to fit with how Aronack was described in Dragonsteel and Decay in Aether

Conversely… Cultivation being affected by perception could be exactly why she made Nightwatcher to not be… because Cultivation knows what thats like. Shards also just seem so deelply integrated with… everything pretty much, that i wonder if it would be a good idea to cut herself off like that? It prob does just have to do with her liking the “spren of the world” title and leaning into it, but i like to think she cant help it anymore

Cognitive Shadows or Spren sure, there is some effect of human perception on them. Shards? Well there are WoB that say otherwise and one specific one talking about this with Honor. Brandon has said that Shards can be affected by human perception and has even said that if Honor were alive and made a physical body that it would automatically have weird double pupils because of how he was perceived… not because he wanted to dont see why the same thing couldnt happen with Cultivation… https://wob.coppermind.net/events/402/#e13420