Long Game 66: A Struggle for Power

[|TJ| he/him]

18 hours ago, Karnage said:

Well, lets see. I have no idea why so many people voted on me near the end. Maybe some ploy by the elims to get a near- inactive like Devotery. Honestly all I did was store last round so, I didn't do anything with vote manipulation, not that my ability can do anything. I am not sure what made the bandwagon fail but I am glad that it did fail. As for now  I will put a vote on Emi. No reason other than just to hear their thoughts.

No, you're right.

[Mat he/him]

2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I'm pretty sure Karnage voted for Emi? Or did Emi vote on Karnage? I might've messed that up.

That vote count is the same one I have in my notes accurate

Edit: Ninja'd by TJ. Again.

Edited June 8, 2020 by Matrim's_Dice

[Mist she/her]

(Part the thirteenth, the part which is considered unlucky, which is fitting, because it is the part of great misfortune, specifically relating to monetary woes and despairs)

Stick: The stick clarifies by producing another memo. It really came prepared!
The budget proposal is basically a way to post this to the thread while evenly splitting the boxings rewarded by having the Great and Mighty Game Master add it as an extra section in the writeup and then divide the boxings earned from the rp among all members of this group.
EDIT: It looks like the stick's ninja skills were surpassed by those of another! It bows its leaf in shame.

The Representative: CLARIFICATION: Any game related content (of which I believe there is none) may of course be removed at the GREAT AND MIGHTY GAME MASTER's discretion! 
And STICK, do you accept the position as REPRESENTATIVE OF THE SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY!!!?

The Great and Mighty Game Master: Hmmm...I mean, letting you guys get RP for this would mean I'd have to let everyone get RP for PM RP, which would be a pain for me.

(The margins of the paper are covered in what appears to be a budget describing the finances of the SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY!!!)

...

Analysis of major lynch candidates to follow. 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Seems like nobody else is going to support my suspicion of Magestar, so I’ll switch onto Experience, who is my greatest suspicion. Also, if Exp flips elim, then I’ll be rather suspicious of Pyro and everyone else talking about lynching an inactive.

[Ashbringer he/him]

I'm going to try something a little different. @DrakeMarshall, why do you think I'm Village? On your list, besides yourself, I'm the only person that you have as Village instead of "slightly Village", which somehow I don't know if I warrant.

I'll take a look at Experience, and probably Pyro/Drake's tones in an attempt to read someone. Not voting on Walin until someone else does, because following the Pyro vote is how I got us into this mess in the first place. Although Pyro did take the first opprotunity to take his vote off Karnage... I agree a different vote is probably better.

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(Part the fourteenth, also known as the part of two baker’s half-dozens, because in the ye olden days of Old Elendel, bakers who rounded down were executed.)

Confident Indecision Maker: Upon review of BUDGETARY PROPOSAL, that would only work if the members of the SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY!!! was made public! I don't think we could be allowed to earn BOXINGS from ACTIVITY that is ANONYMOUS!!! Probably because it complicates TAXATION AND SUCH to have UNDECLARED SOURCES OF INCOME!!!

The Intern: Exclamation points, Great and Mighty Game Master!! We could each post 200 words rounding up for sentences of this, rotating through all members!

Confident Indecision Maker: Given the overall levels of STELLAR ACTIVITY in this game, I can see why TRACKING PM ACTIVITY might be WAY TOO MUCH to deal with in addition to the RIDICULOUS AWESOMENESS HAPPENING IN-THREAD!!!

The Representative: ALTERNATIVELY you could simply put it in the writeup and not pay us! If you do so, I ask that we remain anonymous, as not earning BOXINGS from PUBLIC ACTIVITY without clearly stating so on the taxation form would COMPLICATE things!!!

(Then, there was almost an ad break, but the Narrator realized that had been done by the old narrator.)

[Emi she/her]

As I took a look on the earlier posts, I would vote on Experience. He seems quite suspicious according to Magestars comment on a previous page.

Edited June 8, 2020 by Emi

[Araris Valerian he/him]

@Emi do you think you could provide some brief thoughts on a few of the other players that have votes on them, or that others have expressed suspicion of?

[Ookla-son-son-Ventyl]

For this analysis, it’s going to be over @Araris Valerian. This time, I’m not going to look at every post, just the ones I think are alignment indicative. I’ll also use a slightly different format, maybe this time it will be a little easier on the eyes?

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• In his second post he says that he thinks Mist is a good lynch choice and that his votes shouldn’t be taken as poke votes. This gives me a slight village view, as it lets you vote on someone else but also getting an inactive players attention. This could be seen as a more effective way to do lynches and it would benefit the village IMO.
• His fifth post is a big one, he starts by saying he has the greatest suspicion on Experience, and after looking back at the thread I can understand this. He also adds that he has elim reads on Coda, Kynedath, and Magestar. He mentions that he wants more people to do game-related post or analysis, which is giving me another village read, but could still reasonably an elim reverse psychology trick. So I’d say this posts can lean either way depending on how you look at it.
• In his next post he says he wants other people to read through and come up with their own reads, this gives me a slight elim read as it could be an elim trying to get information out of the village. He also mentions all of his previous reads were based off the thread.
• A few post later, he replies Experience and from this I don’t think they are a team so it gives me a village read. Though like I’ve said before anything can be a misdirect by the elims to make us think they aren’t colluding, but my gut is telling me they aren’t so this is a village read from me.
• I’ve lost count of the post (probably cause I haven’t been counting) but in one post he says he wants the most post to only count 200+ word posts, which I don’t think an elim would want, because that would make it harder for a possible elim teammate to get that sweet extra three boxes. So another village read for me.
• In another post he says that we should all be voicing are suspicions, because if we don’t it’s basically a free win for the elims. This is either a very elaborate plot to get us to think he’s not an elim, but in reality I doubt that. So another village read. 
• Next, he switches his vote from Experience to Coda. Reasoning being, “I don't think having a massive tie is going to be helpful, since we'd likely just be letting the elims choose who dies.“ I agree with this and I think by saying things that are basically just tips for the village about how to not let the Elims have an easy game he’s cleared himself in my eyes.
• Then he responds to Matrim about how it was suspicious that he claimed his vote on Mist wasn’t a poke vote, but a vote on someone he wants out of the game. He says he, “What's the point in voting on someone (when the most voted on person dies) if you don't want to kill them? I already explained why poke votes are useless.” This is probably the only suspicious thing I’ve seen from him, I’ll give this post an elim read, it seems like a practiced excuse to not attract to much suspicion.
• In the next post he gives suspicions for Hatz, but I don’t think the elims would’ve saved him, there might’ve been a village Soother that didn’t want to get a inactive lynched. I’m thinking we might need a pinch hitter for Hatz. He then gives elim reads on Experience, Kynedath (Which I don’t quite get, considering he hasn’t been insanely active), and Magestar. Later on in the post he says he might add Drake and/or Xino to that list. I agree with all of his village reads for the most part, mainly the Ashbringer one (Because I’ve roletraded with them and we have a good synergy). This gives me only slight village reads.
• At the beginning of this cycle he states he has suspicions on Experience but doesn’t vote on him, this is a little suspicious as it could be a redirect. So this post gives me a slight elim read.
• In his next post he talks about the meta reasons for Devotary’s death saying how it gives us little to go on. He goes on to say that he votes differently when there is little info to when there is a lot, if anyone could go look at some previous games of his to try and see if this is accurate that would be great. The last part of the post is him yet again being very un-elim by saying that the sooner we get a lynch the discussion the better chance we have of lynching an elim. I can’t see a reason why an elim would point this out, so yet again more village reads from me. In another shorter post, he says to not be so worried about a mislynch. Yes, the village loses a player, but also we can information about why the elims would’ve wanted that player mislynched. 
• Next he explains the reason he voted on Experience, in a simpler manner. Then he asks for Lahilt to clarify their reason. This is pretty neutral to me, but it could be a elim trying to gather more information, so I’ll go with a slight elim read. If he moves his vote off of Experience I think this could prove a E/E relationship between Experience and Araris, but it’s unlikely.
• In another post responding to TJ he gives more helpful advice to the village, I don’t see why a elim would do this so a village read is in order again.
• In his most recent post he switches his vote over to Experience. He also says that if Experience flips elim he’d be suspicious of the people wanting to lynch inactives. I give this a village read too.

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TL:DR
I don’t think Araris is an elim, mainly because he offers too much helpful advice to the village that many have looked over. If he was elim, I don’t see a reason why he would help the village, wouldn’t you want the village to not know all these pieces of advice?

EDIT: Ninja’d by too many people! 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Ventyl

[Emi she/her]

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

@Emi do you think you could provide some brief thoughts on a few of the other players that have votes on them, or that others have expressed suspicion of?

I guess that I could, but sorry, I don’t really know what are you talking about. Some of those words are difficult and translate translates me them in a weird form.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Hmm. There are players that have votes on them. Could you give your thoughts on some or all of those players?

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

They are asking you to share your opinions on the people that are suspicious.

EDIT: Ninja bear.

Edited June 8, 2020 by The Young Pyromancer

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Oh yeah, in response to @Ventyl's post on me: While I appreciate the village read, just about everything I've done this game along the lines of promoting discussion and analysis should probably be NAI for me. Regardless of my alignment, I enjoy trying to cultivate a meta where everyone is discussing things. I just have a lot more fun that way (although maybe I try to help out less if I'm an elim ).

[Lahilt he/him]

 

(Part the fifteenth, also known as the number that is spelled weirdly! Why does “five” turn into “fif”?)

 

Stick: In that case, any such writeup would have to call the members by pseudonyms, the stick posits!

The stick also supports the Rotating Budget Proposal, or RBP, as the RBP lets RP be free, but also gives money!

 

The Representative: We already have pseudonyms! ████████ is the STICK, ████████ is the Confident Indecision Maker, ████████ is the Intern, ████████ is THE COFFEE MAKER, and I'm the Representative! Feel free to change your pseudonym!!! 

 

The Intern: The Intern supports the RBP or the writeup posting!

 

Stick: The stick points out that that post'll be really annoying to make anonymous.

The stick also asks the Representative what they are the representative of!

 

Confident Indecision Maker: Shouty-shout representative, how 'bout voting as an act of self-preservation to make a tie?

I'm not gonna feel great about any lynch we do today but I can get behind there being a tie, and I'm honestly kind of curious why you have shown such restraint with regards to self-preservation thus far. You aren't hiding an ace up your sleeve by any chance, are you?

 

The Representative: Very well! I will save my life! And sadly, I have no aces and no sleeves!

 

(Suddenly, pineapples! Voidus is very displeased.)

[Experience he/him]

So it look like the vote is turning against me. I'm still not completely sure why people are voting on me, but o well. I would be willing to share my role to the thread, but that might not be what everyone wants because it would also give the elims info. Not sure if that would be worth it?

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

(Part the sixteenth, also known as two to the fourth power, also known as four to the twoth power, also known as sixteen to the oneth power, but not also known as one to the sixteenth power)

 

Confident Indecision Maker: It isn't guaranteed to save your life, but it will create SUSPENSE ABOUT WHOSE EULOGY WE WILL BE READING next cycle!!!

Also, "Confident Indecision Maker" Probably an accurate description of some of the crem I've pulled in SE games

 

The Representative: MEMBERS OF THE SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY!!! PLEASE HAVE YOUR EULOGIES PREPARED IN THE EVENT OF MY DEATH!!!!! I'm glad you like your pseudonym, Confident Indecision Maker! MEMBERS OF THE SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY!!! PLEASE EVALUATE YOUR PSEUDONYM!

 

THE COFFEE MACHINE: Awkward whistling waiting for the night to start (so we know if the Representative’s alive or not!!!)

 

The Great and Mighty Game Master: Hey, please don't PM during rollover. We'll get the information to you shortly.

 

(The narrator notes here that THE COFFEE MACHINE didn’t actually whistle, as teapots whistle, and THE COFFEE MACHINE is a coffee machine and most definitely not a teapot in disguise. As this was a stressful time for THE COFFEE MACHINE, The Narrator will forgive them.)

[Ashbringer he/him]

9 hours ago, Magestar said:

I also I had some suspicions of Ash, enough that I was more willing to lynch them than another player.  They were genuine suspicions, and I believe I documented them in that post.  I had remembered you expressing some suspicions before, so I figured you might be willing to shift your vote to this lynch.  I... I guess I was wrong, since you then immediately created a three way tie with Araris, who you also said you didn't want to kill?  That's a little odd.

(I was trying to type this up a while ago, but then I switched pages and it deleted itself...)

I think I just missed this, because for the most part I have been rather odd in different ways, but I may as well say it now. I never voted for Araris, or even mentioned them (I think).

I wanted to create a tie between Karnage and Coda, but got forced into making a tiebreaker, where I picked Karnage for the lynch (pressured to make a vote choice since I was at 2 votes myself). Then I ended up in the Karnage>Hatz train, where I think I thought I was helping to make a 3 way Coda-Karnage-Hatz tie, but instead led to... whatever happened. In hindsight if I was interested in  pure self-preservation I shouldn’t have changed, but I doubted anyone would turn on me so quickly and so late in the game.

If you replace Araris with Coda, then you’re mostly right, where I helped make Coda get back into tie-territory instead of just lynching Karnage. Coda was fun in the SHOUT thread and I didn’t really want him to die, but I was still willing to keep him in the tie so there could actually be a tie. And I never voted for him, only Karnage/Hatz.

If that’s not it, then I have no idea what you mean.

(Matrim, maybe that explains why I voted Karnage? I think that’s what happened, although how rational my actions were so late at night I have no idea.)

Edited June 8, 2020 by Ashbringer
Also addressing Matrim

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

@Ventyl 1) You are a better player than you give yourself credit for 2) I am still suspicious of you. I do think it's a bit suspicious when asking me to defend a slight suspicion takes precedence over commenting on literally anything else in the thread, and your actions after that point of jumping onto the Experience train doesn't exactly break the pattern.

Incidentally, I don't see a reason for the Experience train, I do see a similar crowd lynching Experience as who lynched Coda, and it feels like another mislynch. I wouldn't say I'm very great at this game but I'd be really, really, really surprised if Experience flipped elim, the way things are going right now. They are either innocent or they will survive the lynch, and the latter isn't particularly likely.

Have a current vote tally. I'll probably edit this to keep it up to date.

Vote Tally
Experience (4): Araris Valerian, Elandera, Emi, Ventyl
Walin (1): The Young Pyromancer
Araris Valerian (1): xinoehp512
DrakeMarshall (1): TJ Shade
Karnage (1): Ashbringer
Ventyl (1): DrakeMarshall
Emi (1): Karnage
Ashbringer (1): Magestar

I will be posting the latest SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY!!! minutes soon. You can find in the bit above the relevant part where I asked Coda to vote to save themselves, if you are interested.

That is all.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

Posting so no double post.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Thanks for that 

(Part the sevententh, the part that was misspelled, as the spell-checker had flame-retardant coffee spilled on it [it’ll make sense later], and the backup spell-checker, a monkey that has been trained to check spells in twelve languages, none of which are english, did no catch the error until it was too late.)

 

Stick: The stick leaned forward, before hopping in front of the table. It supposed it was the representative now, even though it didn't know what it was the representative of.

It guessed the lack of mention in the writeup of any shouting meant the RPB was a go.

It would have to compose a eulogy now.

 

Confident Indecision Maker: ALL HAIL SHOUTY-SHOUT REPRESENTATIVE FLAMING NINJA STICK!!!

Yep gotta write a eulogy I guess Still it's an excuse to RP

 

THE INSANITATION OFFICER: YES!!!...

CAN I BE 'THE INSANITATION OFFICER!!!' FOR MY PSEUDONYM ¡¡!!!!!

 

Confident Indecision Maker: I just realized who it was that had claimed seeker to you Stick!!!

ALSO I SUPPORT THIS PSEUDONYM!!!

 

(The narrator pauses for a moment to remind the audience that the pseudonyms that appear before the words that comprise the minutes are PSEUDONYMS and thus are not the real identities of the people. Please make an attempt to discover the identities of these people.)

[Shard of Reading he/him]

What is all this stuff about stick in bold?

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

It's the minutes of the SHOUTY-SHOUT AGENCY!!! A rather ridiculous agency that engages in activities such as conversing in group PMs, RP, and SHOUTING!!!

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

The google doc we're using to divide the RP up has reached 18 pages!

[Shard of Reading he/him]

Congratulations pyro!

 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

30 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Incidentally, I don't see a reason for the Experience train, I do see a similar crowd lynching Experience as who lynched Coda, and it feels like another mislynch. I wouldn't say I'm very great at this game but I'd be really, really, really surprised if Experience flipped elim, the way things are going right now. They are either innocent or they will survive the lynch, and the latter isn't particularly likely.

(bold mine). How do you mean?

Also, why is is bad if the same set of people are willing to lynch Exp as the ones that voted Coda? If said group is elim, then they are being super obvious and we could find out by lynching one of them. If they are village, then they are just making an honest attempt at a lynch, unlike everyone else who is content to not vote or to vote on a non-target and then forgo further engagement with the lynch.

[The Young Pyromancer he/him]

I think Drake's trying to say the elims'll push the lynch off of XP if they're an elim.