Seonid he/him Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 Day 5: A Killer Revealed Dalinar walked his camp, Shardblade in hand. It was good for his men to see him walking around, and the Shardblade was bound to give them assurance. He hoped he wouldn't have to use it, but the mockery these peace talks were turning into made him want it closer than even ten hearbeats. Parshendi murdering his artifabrians! And his own people trying to murder the Parshendi in turn? How on Roshar was he to forge a lasting peace with the Parshendi if his people wouldn't even give peace long enough for negotiations to happen? His people had accused another Parshendi - Kintas - of being a murderer as well. Apparently, someone had seen how well it worked against the other accused Parshendi and decided to try it again. It was almost as if somebody in the shadows wanted all the Parshendi on this plateau dead. He had already started hanging his own men if they were found inciting violence against a Parshendi. He hoped it would be enough. As he finished his circuit, a runner arrived with the day's report. A mob had tried to murder Kintas, but the Parshendi had survived. Good for him. Another one, Kyner, had escaped another murder attempt by an unidentified Alethi. And both Kreshela and one of his camp followers reported surviving attacks from unknown assailants. Too much skulking in the shadows was going on for his comfort. He liked an enemy he could just meet on the battlefield. Finally, Zephyras had been found dead in his tent. An examination of his post had indicated that he was part of a secret society, bent on murder just for the love of the hunt. An odd tattoo had been found on the inside of his arm. Dalinar made a mental note to check the rest of his delegation for such a tattoo, just in case. He began another circuit of the camp. It was going to be another long day. -------------------------------------- Day 4 has begun! It will end in roughly 48 hours. Remember that there is no Night Cycle - all actions are performed during the Day Turn, along with votes and the lynch. Kintas (Jondesu) was lynched, but survived! Zephyras (Megasif) was killed! He was a Ghostblood Ambassador! Kreshela (Elbereth) was attacked but survived! Unnamed Character 5 (Crimsn-Wolf) was attacked but survived! Kyner (Drake Marshall) was attacked but survived! Vote Count: BrightnessRadiant (1): A Joe in the Bush Jondesu (11): StrikerEZ, Megasif, _Stick_, The Flash, Yitzi2, Sart, Crimsn-Wolf, Elbereth, Drake Marshall, Frozen Mint Alethi Player List: Straw @Straw Unnamed Character 1 @BrightnessRadiant Ethelinar @StrikerEZ Stick @_Stick_ Samar @Sami TBD @A Joe in the Bush Max Mercury @The Flash Rif @Yitzi2 Unnamed Character 4 @Sart Unnamed Character 5 @Crimsn-Wolf Kreshela @Elbereth Parshendi Player List: Kintas @Jondesu Kyner @Drake Marshall Anya @Daniyah Mint @Frozen Mint Corinoc @cloudjumper Petyr and Cranium @Alvron The Dead Plato Anderson (Elenion). Voidbringer Decayform Arbol (Roadwalker). Voidbringer Decayform Locke (OrlokTsubodai). Alethi Artifabrian Aredor (asterion137). Alethi Artifabrian Raaman (Hemalurgic Headshot). Alethi Guardsman Zephyras (Megasif) Ghostblood Ambassador 7
Elbereth she/her Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) *sigh* I was hoping that someone else would hit Jondesu, but apparently not. Also, thanks so much for hitting me. >> Much appreciated... Four attacks. Presumably one was the Ghostbloods, one was the Parshendi, and one was the Sons. Fourth has to have been either decayform (on someone who had no power - you won't be warned if you have a passive or no power, I learned from Seonid) or a Highprince retaliation. Anyone have theories to which is which? It seems pretty obvious that the one on Megasif was the Parshendi (in which case well done), and the one on Drake was the Sons. (Speaking of which, Parshendi, care to verify that someone did protect him? If not, Drake's our last Voidbringer, which would be useful to know.) Anyone have guesses on which of Crimsn and myself was attacked by the Ghostbloods, and which by something else? EDIT: Wait. That logic is out of order. Megasif also could've been killed by decayform/highprince and one of Crimsn or me by the Parshendi. Parshendi, care to confirm which you hit? Edited July 20, 2017 by Elbereth
Alvron Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Elbereth said: *sigh* I was hoping that someone else would hit Jondesu, but apparently not. Four attacks. Presumably one was the Ghostbloods, one was the Parshendi, and one was the Sons. Fourth has to have been either decayform (on someone who had no power - you won't be warned if you have a passive or no power, I learned from Seonid) or a Highprince retaliation. Anyone have theories to which is which? It seems pretty obvious that the one on Megasif was the Parshendi (in which case well done), and the one on Drake was the Sons. (Speaking of which, Parshendi, care to verify that someone did protect him? If not, Drake's our last Voidbringer, which would be useful to know.) Anyone have guesses on which of Crimsn and myself was attacked by the Ghostbloods, and which by something else? I too hoped that the SoH would attack Jon. For all their claims of wanting to kill a GB, they are doing a very poor job of it. What makes you so sure the Parshendi attacked Mega? There was talk about who they should target but Mega wasn't brought up at all. You on the other hand were so it's more likely you were the Parshendi target. Drake might not be a Voidbringer although I am looking forward to hearing how he survived. It's possible that he is the Shardbearer. The Warform extra life was removed last cycle and his Shardplate this cycle. If you are right though then the best way to work out what happened is to ask you. Did you attack anyone and get hit by the Highprinces reflect?
Elbereth she/her Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Sorry - edited that in once I realised that my logic wasn't making sense. Interesting. If he wasn't protected by another Parshendi's Warform, then Shardbearer or Voidbringer seem to be the only options. (Does that mean you dont have the identity of the Shardbearer revealed in your doc, or just aren't telling the thread?) Interesting. Hadn't considered that angle. Nope, I didn't attack anyone, as you should well know.
Alvron Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Out of the six Parshendi, four have claimed to be in Scolarform so there is a chance that he was protected by another, and it was requested in Doc, but I find it unlikely. The Shardbearer, to my knowledge, has not revealed themselves in Doc. It's possible that they revealed to someone and then deleted the conversation but as a whole, the Doc doesn't know who they are. You didn't? Aww. @Crimsn-Wolf did you attack someone?
Elbereth she/her Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Interesting. Seonid is allowing deleted conversations, then? I would hope that the other two (well, one, given that Jondesu doesn't care) is claiming Nimbleform, so there's at least some way to keep everyone accountable?
Seonid he/him Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 Nobody has specifically asked me about deleted conversations. My official opinion, for this and for other games, is that conversations in a doc should not be deleted - with sufficient leeway for spelling/grammar errors and other corrections, and for removing comments that seem too inflammatory or that you otherwise regret. THIS IS NOT A LAWYER RULE, HOWEVER! That is, don't expect this opinion to constitute rules text - if it did, it would be far longer and more specific. I haven't been policing the docs heavily, though.
Alvron Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 It's a fairly common tool to type fast then delete so it doesn't show up in revision history and it's also something that can't be policed. It's hard to do and most of the time not worth the hassle. After all, normal games everyone is on the same team in a Doc so there's no need to hide anything. I merely brought it up as a possibility. You know me, I like to cover all my bases.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 @Seonid did I actually never vote Jon? ooooooooops I was so positive I had?
Seonid he/him Posted July 20, 2017 Author Posted July 20, 2017 Just now, BrightnessRadiant said: @Seonid did I actually never vote Jon? ooooooooops I was so positive I had? Could have missed it, I'll check.
Elbereth she/her Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Alvron said: It's a fairly common tool to type fast then delete so it doesn't show up in revision history and it's also something that can't be policed. It's hard to do and most of the time not worth the hassle. After all, normal games everyone is on the same team in a Doc so there's no need to hide anything. I merely brought it up as a possibility. You know me, I like to cover all my bases. I do recall the trick, yes. I just wasn't sure if it was being allowed. (The fact that no one's asked Seonid about it yet makes me think that such a thing hasn't happened, though.)
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 I have no idea how I survived, truth be told. And before you even draw conclusions, consider that if I were a Voidbringer, I would be in smokeform right now. Any other choice would be unwise. I am curious to hear who protected me, however. As it is, I can ascertain that Elbereth is indeed unaligned, despite siding heavily with the Sons of Honor. If I had actually expected to survive this cycle I would have tried a little harder to think of a good scanning target. And finally, BrightnessRadiant. We ought to get that over with.
cloudjumper he/him Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) We lynched Jon. IIRC, we (or at least some of us) lynched Jon under the condition that we would lynch a suspected SoH next. Since Drake scanned BR as SoH, I say we lynch BR now. Edited July 20, 2017 by cloudjumper
Alvron Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Just now, Elbereth said: I do recall the trick, yes. I just wasn't sure if it was being allowed. (The fact that no one's asked Seonid about it yet makes me think that such a thing hasn't happened, though.) You assume that Seonid would be aware of it. Like I said, it's not something that can be policed if it's done right. Both Orlok and I have used it in LG23 and if I haven't been Spiked that game, no one but us would've known.
Elbereth she/her Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Drake Marshall said: I have no idea how I survived, truth be told. And before you even draw conclusions, consider that if I were a Voidbringer, I would be in smokeform right now. Any other choice would be unwise. I am curious to hear who protected me, however. As it is, I can ascertain that Elbereth is indeed unaligned, despite siding heavily with the Sons of Honor. If I had actually expected to survive this cycle I would have tried a little harder to think of a good scanning target. And finally, BrightnessRadiant. We ought to get that over with. *sigh* How useful. >> The Parshendi other than the Shardbearer don't know who the Shardbearer hit. You don't know how you survived, or claim not to. I suppose the fact that you scanned me correctly implies you're neither Shardbearer nor Voidbringer, but if that's so I'm confused. Obviously, disagreed that we should lynch BR now. Hmmmmm. My personal vote, aside from Jondesu, would be to lynch Drake until/unless a Parshendi comes forward to explain exactly how he survived. If none do, he's lying and is Voidbringer/Shardbearer, in either of which cases the Alethi benefit. @Crimsn-Wolf, how did you survive? 11 minutes ago, Alvron said: You assume that Seonid would be aware of it. Like I said, it's not something that can be policed if it's done right. Both Orlok and I have used it in LG23 and if I haven't been Spiked that game, no one but us would've known. It's generally good form to ask the GM if it's allowed first? Note about lynching Jondesu again: It's still in everyone's interests. Including the Parshendi's. If you don't lynch him, the Ghostbloods will be able to see your doc, massively reducing trusted conversation (given that the Voidbringers are not a threat to the Shardbearer, who could then claim and be protected/coordinated with). And it's not like he's another Parshendi vote, either. He's not. Whyever would he vote with the Parshendi? He has exactly no reason to do so whatsoever. Jondesu is the one person, regardless of alignment or peacefulness, that everyone should want to lynch. EDIT: And regarding the agreement, I'd argue that the lynch on Jondesu isn't over until he actually dies. Edited July 20, 2017 by Elbereth
cloudjumper he/him Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Obviously, disagreed that we should lynch BR now. Hmmmmm. My personal vote, aside from Jondesu, would be to lynch Drake until/unless a Parshendi comes forward to explain exactly how he survived. If none do, he's lying and is Voidbringer/Shardbearer, in either of which cases the Alethi benefit. I protected Drake in warform. I was afraid an Alethi Shardbearer would try to kill him, because he has been pretty important to the Parshendi thus far.
BrightnessRadiant she/her Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 I don't agree that it's my turn to die....Jondesu . I don't see that deal as over. Lynch me if you want next cycle, but don't you want a Ghost gone? They're kinda the enemy of everyone here.
Yitzi2 Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) 2 minutes ago, BrightnessRadiant said: I don't agree that it's my turn to die....Jondesu . I don't see that deal as over. He was lynched. If the deal had specified "lynched to death", that would be different, but it didn't, and we all had a pretty good suspicion that he was going to survive it. However, next cycle, we should definitely finish the job. Edited July 20, 2017 by Yitzi2
Elbereth she/her Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 Note: I've been scanned as unaligned, so (if Drake is telling the truth, obviously, but I know he is) I couldn't have killed anyone. If a highprince was involved, though, it could've hit Crimsn or Megasif. It's probable that it was Megasif, since he's new and unlikely to be attacked, but I'd recommend that the Parshendi scan Crimsn anyway to see if anything turns up. (I don't know if she's a Son, so I may be disadvantaging my own team, but I'm more inclined to think that she could be another Ghostblood - see Sart's post about how she and Joe are the ones who switched from Orlok to HH without ever voting Jon, C3.)
Yitzi2 Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Note: I've been scanned as unaligned, so (if Drake is telling the truth, obviously, but I know he is) I couldn't have killed anyone. If a highprince was involved, though, it could've hit Crimsn or Megasif. It's probable that it was Megasif, since he's new and unlikely to be attacked, but I'd recommend that the Parshendi scan Crimsn anyway to see if anything turns up. (I don't know if she's a Son, so I may be disadvantaging my own team, but I'm more inclined to think that she could be another Ghostblood - see Sart's post about how she and Joe are the ones who switched from Orlok to HH without ever voting Jon, C3.) Also, Occam's Razor suggests that if one of the kills was a highprince, it be the one whom we know to be capable of carrying out a kill. EDIT: Also, the thread title suggests that the character revealed (by dying) was killed by attempting to be a killer. Edited July 20, 2017 by Yitzi2
Elbereth she/her Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 That's obvious, and why I'm putting Crimsn not necessarily as high priority - if there was a highprince, it's highly likely to have hit Megasif. It'd just be nice to make sure.
Sart he/him Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 2 hours ago, Seonid said: Alethi Player List: Straw @Straw Unnamed Character 1 @BrightnessRadiant Ethelinar @StrikerEZ Stick @_Stick_ Samar @Sami TBD @A Joe in the Bush Max Mercury @The Flash Rif @Yitzi2 Unnamed Character 4 @Sart Unnamed Character 5 @Crimsn-Wolf Kreshela @Elbereth Parshendi Player List: Kintas @Jondesu Kyner @Drake Marshall Anya @Daniyah Mint @Frozen Mint Corinoc @cloudjumper Petyr and Cranium @Alvron The Dead Plato Anderson (Elenion). Voidbringer Decayform Arbol (Roadwalker). Voidbringer Decayform Locke (OrlokTsubodai). Alethi Artifabrian Aredor (asterion137). Alethi Artifabrian Raaman (Hemalurgic Headshot). Alethi Guardsman Zephyras (Megasif) Ghostblood Ambassador Let's play the numbers game. We have 1 confirmed Ghostblood, Jondesu, with 2 probably still lurking in the Alethi camp. We have no Sons of Honor dead, so there's probably at least 3 of those alive. We have 2 Voidbringers dead, but there might be a third lurking about. That would leave us 4 unaligned Parshendi, and 6 unaligned Alethi. So, in conclusion, 3 Ghostbloods 3 Sons of Honor 1 Voidbringer 4 Parshendi 6 Alethi That could be a problem if Alethi continue to die. What I don't want to happen is the scenario where the Parshendi take out the Sons of Honor and Ghostbloods, and then get the easy win through killing the rest of the Alethi. It hopefully won't happen, but I'm cautious of it. In terms of today's voting, it's not looking good for either party. If we suppose the Parshendi voting block holds, then that's 5 votes on a Son of Honor. Obviously, the Sons of Honor want another target, and a revealed Ghostblood looks pretty nice. So that becomes 3 votes on Jondesu, 5 on Brightness. The remaining Ghostbloods don't want Jondesu to die, so they'll vote on the other target, in this case, Brightness. That makes 8 votes on Brightness, 3 on Jondesu. If all of the remaining Alethi voted on Jondesu, they could theoretically lynch him. However, if even 1 Alethi votes on Brightness, the Alethi won't be able to come back from that. Support for Jondesu's lynch will dry up, and the Sons of Honor might flip to Brightness in order to stay in the crowd. No one gains any information from the lynch, Jondesu survives another day, and the Sons of Honor lose a member. So... yeah. The Sons of Honor might have vote manipulation, which could make the Jondesu lynch slightly easier. It would require nearly unanimous support among the unaligned Alethi, but it could potentially be possible. Unfortunately, a couple of Alethi are mostly inactive, so getting enough support would be challenging, especially since it would be breaking the trust we have with the Parshendi. I'm not going to vote for either candidate. I'm not voting for Jondesu. Without vote manipulation, that means the votes would be tied, even if all of the Alethi ganged up. Even with vote manipulation, it would take a miracle to lynch Jondesu. I won't vote for Brightness either. The Sons of Honor kill helps keep the gaming from going lopsided towards the Parshendi, and I just don't like lynching an Alethi. I propose an alternative. We try to lynch an Alethi Ghostblood. Risky? Yes, but it's better than the other two options in front of me. Plus, it would help actually generate discussion. Even if the town decides to lynch Brightness, at least the voting could tell us a little bit about alignment. It could also allow Brightness to survive, which would mean another vote in Alethi hands. Worst case scenario, we lynch an innocent Alethi, which gives us a huge disadvantage for peace. Another scenario, we end up lynching a different Son of Honor, which gets the Parshendi what they wanted in the first place. Best case scenario, we lynch another Ghostblood, which neutralizes the threat they pose for a couple of turns. I'm curious to see how this plays out. Joe, I think you are an Alethi Ghostblood. You voted on Orlok, and then Brightness, but you never voted for Jondesu. Would you like to defend yourself? 1
xxGaea They/Them, Fae/Faer Posted July 20, 2017 Posted July 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Elbereth said: @Crimsn-Wolf, how did you survive? I was a Shardbearer with a Shardplate. I don't know who would attack me, because the only person I have talked to other than in-forum is Joe via PM. I am going to hold off voting on anyone for now, because I am really, really tired. I will try and get on tomorrow to read, but I have to work and have a bunch of schoolwork I have to do, heh.
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