Anniversary Game 3: The Curse of the Koloss

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Here's my list from greatest trust to greatest suspicions:

Wonko
Wilson
Wyrm
Stick
Hero
---------------Would defend anyone above this line. But remember, confirmed good is not confirmed right! I am suspicious of two people above this line.---------
Drought
Conquestor
Assassin
Stink - unkown role (I just learned i never PM'd him? oops.)
---------------Would Lynch anyone below this line. But remember, confirmed good is not confirmed right!---------
Seonid
Gamma - unknown role
Magestar - public claim of smoker
Araris
Jondesu
Orlok - Unknown Role
Elbereth - Less suspicious due to the bandwagoning on her, combined with her defenses. -public claim of roleless
Sart
Hemalurgic Headshot - public claim of thug.

 

Everyone from Seonid to HH has claimed Thug, smoker, or roleless, or not claimed at all.

Edited February 8, 2017 by A Joe in the Bush

[Jondesu he/him]

Darn, we lose one of the already confirmed good players. I figured it would happen, but we'd gotten a decent run of new info, even though it was costing us villagers. This doesn't really tell us anything new.

Joe, should I be grateful or annoyed to not even be on your list? 

As for the vote today, I'm waiting and will review my notes, but I will share my thoughts more when I get time.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

. . . oops? I will add you in. Not sure how i missed you.

[Assassin in Burgundy he/him]

@A Joe in the Bush what two people are you suspicious of but aren't lynch candidates?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

stick and hero.

[little wilson she/her]

Joe, Gamma's dead, fyi.

I think for now, I'm going to vote for Seonid, because he's been less active, and I'd like to hear a little more from him. I'll be honest: this is mostly a poke vote, though I wouldn't mind lynching him either. For actual suspicions, I'm still suspicious of Mage and Headshot, and I've got a growing suspicion of Jondesu. I keep going back and forth on Assassin, but...yeah. I'll likely vote on one of those four (emphasis on Mage or Headshot) if Seonid comes along and I remove my vote from him. But that will be later in the cycle. I was suspicious of El at the start of the cycle, but that's died down now, thanks to the bandwagon.

[Stick. she/her]

8 hours ago, A Joe in the Bush said:

I'm voting for Elbereth. I had asked drought to kill her last night, because she was one of the few people who refused to reveal their role, for reasons of 'PM safety'. That, combined with her inactivity made her the best target I had.

I'm also perfectly fine with lynching magestar, or really any of the smokers. We have far to many smokers for Arinian to have seeked so successfully.

@DroughtBringer why didn't you kill her?

If a smoker has their coppercloud turned on, they don't appear as vanillas, do they? I think the smoker gets something like 'role and alignment not detected' or something 

[Droughtbringer]

6 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

@DroughtBringer why didn't you kill her?

If a smoker has their coppercloud turned on, they don't appear as vanillas, do they? I think the smoker gets something like 'role and alignment not detected' or something 

"I have failed this city"

In all honesty I was thinking that the round was a bit longer, and did not send in an order. This seems super suspicious, and I except that...sorry,

[Araris Valerian he/him]

@A Joe in the Bush, I don't agree that a large number of smokers contradicts Arinian's success. I mean, as a village smoker there isn't too much use in using your power, except to prevent vote manipulations. Also, In general I dislike how you have based your suspicions (as I see it) almost entirely on role distributions.

I do agree with your vote, although not necessarily because of the role-claim. HH. I'm also curious about Drought, but I don't think the lack of a kill is particularly helpful for finding alignment. I suppose if Elbereth and Drought are both elims then the lack of a kill could make sense, but otherwise both teams don't mind killing inactives. I'm going to back off of Assassin, because while I don't like how he has been playing this game, I think that is mostly due to him having a different understanding of the game.

I don't quite get the votes on Elbereth, since it looks like she has put in a lot of effort to get involved with this game. I don't think killing her now will encourage players in the future to try and catch up in games they have fallen behind in.

There are still a bunch of inactives, but it seems like there are enough of us here that we don't really have to worry about them for now.

[Jondesu he/him]

33 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

If a smoker has their coppercloud turned on, they don't appear as vanillas, do they? I think the smoker gets something like 'role and alignment not detected' or something 

Pretty sure it was stated earlier that they'd get something along the lines of "Your action has failed", so yeah, it's not going to mask them and make them appear as something else.

Drought, that definitely makes me wonder, but I can also buy the explanation since I've done that before. I don't like the bandwagon that popped up on El, but I also don't trust her specifically, so I dunno. Haven't had time yet to do the extra analysis I intended, but figured I'd share that much.

[Sart he/him]

"Hasing the escaping of one of Joe (Hemalurgic Headshot). Being of death of knowledge. Hasing of not the escaping of two." Honestly, Sart was surprised they hadn't lynched the man sooner. He didn't care how well the man cooked, it was high time for Joe faced his maker.

Sart was a little hurt by Jack's accusation though. He supposed he was suspicious because he talked in High Imperial. He could stop, but where would the fun be in that? Did they actually think he would drop the gag because his life was in danger? "Being the wasing of ising of hasing the being of ising of hasing." he replied saucily. "Hasing the being of willing of being. Hasing the being of being of willing." He walked off, humming. He wondered how they would parse that one. Then again, knowing those morons, they wouldn't even try. It would be interesting to see their translation though. Ah well. Idle thoughts would get him nowhere. He had work to do.

Edited February 8, 2017 by Sart
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[Elbereth she/her]

Quotes from the last many cycles: 

Doc:

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You're not alone in noticing how quiet El and Wilson have been lately. However, their quietness has not been confined to this game. El was mostly inactive in LG27 as well, if you remember. I'm willing to trust that it truly is real life interfering, because I believe @Elbereth would not stoop to feigning inactive to escape suspicion. At least, that's my hope. Same goes for Wilson. She's repeatedly stated how she would not be as active in recent games, and I respect her decision on that. So their quietness doesn't indicate anything about them. Hopefully El gets on before the end of the cycle to give her thoughts. 

Obviously, I didn’t. >> But no. I am not faking inactivity, and would not. In fact, I suppose one piece of evidence towards my being a regular villager is that I wasn’t online at all for several stretches, including over the course of nights. If I had a role, I would’ve been on at least to submit an action, if nothing else. 

I Am A Stick:

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Is it I tie? We can't have a tie. I must vote. I shall go through the thread once more and see.

Edit: The Stick has come to a conclusion: Rae to (ignore the 'to'. It won't go away) I haven't read through the thread, so I'm not sure if anyone else has already brought this up, but I think Rae might be a Spiked since if she hadn't revealed Lopen's role in the thread last night, it would have been clear to anyone who knew Lopen role-claimed to Rae that she was Spiked, as it seems that the elims wanted to make the villagers lurcher-depreived :[ (though I dont see why) and there wasn't any other way for the elims to know that unless a player revealed Lopen's role in-thread. 

Again, I've been busy irl, am typing this in a hurry and have merely skimmed through the thread. Most of my reasoning is likely to make no sense.

 

Not sure why I quoted this originally, but what it calls to mind now is that I’ve been vaguely suspicious of Stick’s posts for a while now. Most of them are just odd, but in this particular one she breaks the tie in Nyali’s favor, for… not no reasoning, but I’m not of the opinion it holds up terribly well, and it’s prefaced and ended with the note that she hasn’t done more than skim to remove any indication that she’s at fault if Rae does turn out innocent. 

Wilson:

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Okay, Arin, I don't care what your alignment is at this point, but can you please stop revealing roles? Not only does it help the eliminators to know who's what, but it's also incredibly bad form to just reveal people's roles without their permission. What gives you the right to publicly declare that information? Just because you're a seeker? Note to self: never give Arinian any information-finding role in any game ever. He takes the fun out of the game for any player he learns information on.

Entirely agreed here - and I would’ve commented on it as well had I been active at the time - but I do want to note it’s worded somewhat strongly. Arin is still relatively new. Telling him it’s not okay I can accept, but I don’t agree with thinking his judgement will never get better just because he misstepped (and was corrected) here. 

Arinian: 

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I'm revealed Wonko only cause he is inactive. If he wasn't I probably asked him but he is. And I revealed roles only in your game cause situation was damnation good for my faction to win but happened what happened and you already claiming something like that on me.

*sigh* While we’re on the topic, might as well address the reveal itself. I’ll echo Wilson here, and hope Arin is still paying attention - this should not be okay. And in this particular case it’s definitely not okay. We could’ve made the eliminators waste a kill on Wonko and prolonged our chances of survival. You took that away, why? ‘Because he’s inactive’ isn’t a reason. It’s a mitigating factor at best. There wasn’t really a reason to reveal him. So please don’t. 

Len: 

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It seems like quite a lot happened while I was changing. First up appears to be Arinian's claiming to be a Friendly!Seeker. Because of Bugsy's test, I'm fairly sure that he's actually a Seeker, because the only alternative is that they're both Spiked, and I doubt the Spiked would be that blatant. Friendly is another question, but Arin's playstyle in previous games has been remarkably similar to my own when I started, and this game he's done exactly what Early!Len would have done in these situations: out himself before he gets offed at night by chance, and give out enough information that we waste no lynches on Wonko. I for one think it was good that he outed Wonko's role, just as I'd be fine with him outing my role if I was in Wonko's place.

See above. You never specified why it’s okay that Wonko’s role was revealed? I… don’t understand that. 
Hero:

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Let's go ahead and lynch Wonko.

Why? He's mostly inactive anyway (go go Contribution Crusade!), and if Arinian is telling the truth about him being a village thug, then we haven't really lost much. We still have just as many villagers at the end of the day for the Spiked to try to kill, and we haven't lost any active, participating players. And we will have at least partially confirmed that Arinian is telling the truth. 

If Arinian is lying about Wonko's role as a thug, then we know Arinian is evil and we can lynch him tomorrow. Easy enough. 

If Arinian is telling the truth about Wonko's role, but is lying about Wonko's alignment... well, that would be the worse case scenario. However, it's also the least likely scenario. Since it's being proposed by a Villager and not by Arinian himself, then there's less of a chance that it could be some sort of elaborate WGG ploy. 

So that's my suggestion. If people decide not to try it, well then at least I tried. In that case I don't mind switching my vote to HH, or Nyali, or Assassin, or- who else is up on the chopping block? Vote tally anyone? Thanks in advance.

 

Okay. So I didn’t really understand everyone’s instinct going against Hero, until this post. 

Why is this a good idea? One, it would’ve told us very little we didn’t already know from Bugsy’s confirmation. He’s a Seeker. The end result is that we end up with slightly more confirmation of Arin (but not complete, and we would get complete soon enough because Arin sooner or later was going to die, as he did), and we will have wasted an entire cycle with little to no discussion and no death at the end, putting the eliminators one more cycle ahead. 

This seems like a very counterproductive plan for the village, and makes Hero much, much higher on my suspicion list. 

Len:

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Of all the players in the game, why pick Matilda?  It was obvious that she was a Thug, and there were more threatening targets out there (read: Arin). Fear of lurchers?

(I know he’s dead now but I’m still responding.) Um, why Matilda? I’ll give you ‘why not Arin’. But out of all the players in the game? Matilda was active and had been scanned. I… really don’t know why it’s such a question for you when she was literally the second most likely player in the game to die. 

Random side note that has nothing to do with any particular post, which is just in the middle of my multiquotes: If Drake is evil, he is doing very well. Good job, Drake. 

Mage:

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Yeah.   Inactivity is bad.  I think I already have apologized for mine, and I will try to fix it.  I'm sorry that you've lost interest in this game.   I don't think the village has ever won an AG, which can be pretty disappointing for repeat villagers.

Um. Disagreed. Why would not having won previous AGs/LG1 be disappointing for the villagers? One, games are a year apart, so it’s not like you’re always losing. Two, there’s the attraction of what if this time we win? What if this time is the time that we finally break the curse? 
So no. It’s not disappointing at all. Seonid:

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Manukos. He and HH are the gut feeling standouts for me. Sorry for my inactivity - I'm not going to sign up for any more QFs. That pace is brutal! It's the mid-game, and everyone is tired. Inactivity rises incredibly with game size. I wonder if @Elbereth might be interested in looking at those stats. It might be interesting to put some sort of player limit on these things.

 

Ironic, given that I was one of those inactives for several cycles… >> We’ll see. 

HH:

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Elenion has been struck down... the actives are being picked off, one by one. Join me, confirmed Villagers @A Joe in the Bush @Bugsy6912 @Wonko the Sane! We must band together and strike down the suspicious and weed out the Elims! @STINK @OrlokTsubodai @Sart @DroughtBringer Come out and do things! More votes must be cast, and more suspects accused! The time is near, the time comes...

Vaguely amused that I’m nowhere on this list even though I don’t think I’ve posted since… Cycle 5? Maybe? 

The posts below were multiquoted instead of put in a doc, so they'll be slightly out of order from the ones above: 

On 1/22/2017 at 4:09 AM, Magestar said:

Later, I hope I'll have time to respond to El.  I really don't right now, and like I said earlier, my family is going snowboarding all week.  I should have some time later though.

What happened to those quote boxes?  

You should've seen it when the entire post was links.  The post... did not format well. At all. 

13 hours ago, Magestar said:

 

Ok then.   Carmichael's feelings express my own pretty thoroughly, so I'm not sure exactly what else to say.  I think that my death will honestly do the village more good than anything else I can do.  However, if a lynch on someone else does pick up, I'd be happy to lynch them instead of me, obviously.   I do think that the village can still win, but we need a couple good lynches, and I'm honestly unsure what to do.  A big group of people have gotten really quiet, myself included, so my analysis skills, weak as they are, can't really do anything.  Personally, I'd like to lynch El, who I think has basically gone inactive, and I was also suspicious of, and who I'm curious of how she's survived this long.  I'd also lynch almost anyone else, because I have so little to go on.

You want to know how I've survived this long? Because I haven't said anything. >> That's why. If you don't say anything, the eliminators don't care about you and the villagers don't care about lynching you. I'm not affecting the game so it has no reason to affect me. 

It's analogous to voting, I think, is how to put it. Politicians care about those who vote. If you don't vote, you don't affect their staying in office so they have no reason to care about you. I'm not doing anything to the game when I'm staying quiet and not paying attention. So why would the elims kill me when I'm helping them? 

I am not pleased about this. >> 

11 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

 

So as Aralis put it, this game is nowhere near over. I mean, I expect there to have been a total of  ~6 elims this game, based on the square root rule. That is now down to four (again, based on my assumption). With 18 players left, we are still ahead of the game in that the square root of 18 is greater than 4. Not only that, but we aren't shooting blindly in the dark, either! We have 9 days and 10 nights worth of discussion and actions to go with. Even if we started over and completely ignored the parts of the game that have happened, we are winning. The strongest ability is the power to vote, and we all have that left. If you feel overwhelmed by what has happened so far, look at the list of confirmed players, and then play as if it was Day 1! That is far better than not contributing at all. If you can look at the lynches of Dalinar and Nyali, even better!

Now I said all of that, but I am right in the middle of my school day, so I'll be back in a bit and actually put together some analysis and a vote.

Well. True and not true. We're first assuming that there are only six, when more than that is certainly possible, though I agree it's not probably. Secondly, it doesn't account for inactives, of whom there are several, and more not putting terribly much thought into the game. Our situation isn't desperate, but it's getting there. We are on Day 10, and if the Mistborn on the Spiked team (assuming there are more, which isn't necessarily the case), we could have two murders and a mislynch in a cycle. Do that for three cycles (which is worst case, yes, but even so), it's 5 to 4 and the elims also have vote manip. So we need to be careful. 

10 hours ago, Herowannabe said:

Before you tell us who they are (if you decide to), can anyone think of a good reason why it would be a bad idea for the village to know who has claimed to be a smoker? I can't think of any off the top of my head, but I'm still tired and might not be thinking clearly, and I don't want to suggest something that might end up hurting us. . 

Uh. Yes? Presumably, the eliminator team doesn't have perfect knowledge of who has what role, yet. Telling them any information like that, for not much benefit to the village that I can see, narrows down who they should kill and who they can seek if they still have Mistborn rolling bronze. 

7 hours ago, Magestar said:

El!  Glad to have you back.  Sorry that you came back to find yourself being voted upon.  Perhaps you'll follow my lead and escape being lynched only to realize that the other lynch was completely awful.   To be honest, I hope you're an Elim, because then I would have been right the whole time, and we'd have a successful lynch.  

That would be nice if it were true.  In regards to a completely awful alternate lynch, if such a thing happens I'll vote for myself. The only reason I have for not wanting to die is th at I don't want to disadvantage by deliberately condemning myself to death instead of trying to lynch someone I actually think is an eliminator. But I have no problem with dying in general, and in fact wouldn't mind doing so before the end of this game. 

2 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

If a smoker has their coppercloud turned on, they don't appear as vanillas, do they? I think the smoker gets something like 'role and alignment not detected' or something 

Correct. 

1 hour ago, Araris Valerian said:

I don't quite get the votes on Elbereth, since it looks like she has put in a lot of effort to get involved with this game. I don't think killing her now will encourage players in the future to try and catch up in games they have fallen behind in.

There are still a bunch of inactives, but it seems like there are enough of us here that we don't really have to worry about them for now.

Interesting. I... like this reasoning, actually. In my particular case, it doesn't matter because it's not going to disincentivise me to be any more active, but it does set an unfortunate precedent. (And I'm not just using this as a veneer for also-I-don't-want-to-die. This is an interesting point.) 

 

Other than that - not much to say. General suspicions: Hero (above), Jondesu (general gut; nothing specific enough to point to), Stick (above). Still have a decent amount of paranoia of Wilson. >> General trusts: Joe (obviously), Araris, Mage a little bit, Stink, maybe Drought. Everyone else is fairly neutral.

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El dreamed a lot, that week of silence. She dreamed of a woman bathed in light, and another dying on a mountaintop. She dreamed of Hatred. She dreamed that she was a thief, a noblewoman, a Terriswoman (strange, she'd never seen a female Terris steward), happy and sad and angry and defeated and dead. Because she died, every time. Regardless of what she did, she died at the end of every dream. 

She always died... 

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El couldn't find her locket. Her parents' locket. 

She couldn't find her locket. It was nowhere. Not in the receiving room nor with her herbs. Not on her bedside table or under her bed. Not on the floor, not in the garden, nowhere. 

How could she not have noticed? She wasn't even sure the last time she'd had it, and hated her forgetful memory. She'd been so distracted by her melancholy and refusal to go out and see what the world had done... She remembered showing it to Locke. But had she had it since then? She... wasn't sure. 

It seemed she had a visit to pay, then. Locke was likely better by now, but it wouldn't hurt to check on him anyway, and if there was any chance that locket could be there, she couldn't not go looking for it. It was time to face the world again. 

[Herowannabe he/him]

Well I was going to make this a short and sweet post, but then I saw Elbereth's mega-post, and since I featured prominently in it I figured I better respond. Just know that I'm literally losing sleep over this. 

First off, Welcome back Elbereth! I'm delighted to have you return to activity (even if I'm at the top of your suspicion list )!

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Okay. So I didn’t really understand everyone’s instinct going against Hero, until this post. 

Why is this a good idea? One, it would’ve told us very little we didn’t already know from Bugsy’s confirmation. He’s a Seeker. The end result is that we end up with slightly more confirmation of Arin (but not complete, and we would get complete soon enough because Arin sooner or later was going to die, as he did), and we will have wasted an entire cycle with little to no discussion and no death at the end, putting the eliminators one more cycle ahead. 

This seems like a very counterproductive plan for the village, and makes Hero much, much higher on my suspicion list. 

Under normal circumstances, I agree. Even under abnormal circumstances (like we were in), the plan was far from perfect. The situation (as I saw it at the time) was this: Arinian just claimed to be a seeker and there was a lot of people supporting him and a lot of people who instantly became suspicious of him- even some who suggested lynching him right then and there to find out if his claims were true. I was kind of in the middle, but leaning towards trusting Arinian- his claims didn't feel like a ploy to me. 

I suggested lynching Wonko as a sort of compromise- a chance to possibly get a bit of info and to give Arinian more time to do his stuff. Again, it was far from a perfect plan, which is why I didn't push it that hard, but I did propose it as a milder alternative to lynching the guy who had just told us that he was our seeker. Wonko was inactive at the time and was showing no signs of coming back, and as anyone who has played a handful of games with me can testify, whether I'm village or elim, when there isn't a "good" lynch target I always support lynching an inactive. (Reference: See the big "Contribution Crusade" banner in my signature. Also, see my Contribution Crusade post near the beginning of the game (IIRC it's around page 5 of the archive thread, give or take) for more of my views on the CC). 

So if you want to suspect me over that, fine, I guess. I knew it wasn't going to be a popular suggestion, but it's one that I genuinely believed in. 

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Uh. Yes? Presumably, the eliminator team doesn't have perfect knowledge of who has what role, yet. Telling them any information like that, for not much benefit to the village that I can see, narrows down who they should kill and who they can seek if they still have Mistborn rolling bronze. 

Yes, you are right. I had a feeling my logic was faulty but in my sleep-deprived state I couldn't think of it. Thank you. 

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Anyway, as for voting this cycle. I removed my vote from Elbereth because I agree with Arinian- I don't feel right about lynching someone who has just made a huge effort to come back to activity and who frankly has probably put more thought and analyis into the past couple weeks worth of post than any player still alive, with the exception maybe of Joe (I don't know exactly how much he learned and processed from PMing people). I do NOT think that the bandwagon that formed against her was enough of a reason to not suspect her- it dispelled far too quickly for my tastes. 

My biggest suspicion is actually Hemalurgic Headshot- Even before Joe cast a vote for him. HH's posts have felt off to me for the past couple days now- but for now I think I want to put my efforts in a different direction. As best as I can tell the only one's who haven't posted yet this cycle are Seonid, Conquestor, Wonko, and Stink. I don't hold any hope for Wonko returning, and Stink flat out said he wants to quit the game (which is sad. Please reconsider @STINK!). Seonid has a vote on him already, so I'd like to call on Conquestor to speak up and give us his thoughts. 

Edited February 8, 2017 by Herowannabe
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[STINK he/him]

Na I don't wanna quit the game, I be watching and thinking, not posting.

[Elbereth she/her]

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Well I was going to make this a short and sweet post, but then I saw Elbereth's mega-post, and since I featured prominently in it I figured I better respond. Just know that I'm literally losing sleep over this.  

So am I, don't worry. I spent the last two hours on that post and then a post/reading through for LG30, and I still have two calc assignments tonight.... >>

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Under normal circumstances, I agree. Even under abnormal circumstances (like we were in), the plan was far from perfect. The situation (as I saw it at the time) was this: Arinian just claimed to be a seeker and there was a lot of people supporting him and a lot of people who instantly became suspicious of him- even some who suggested lynching him right then and there to find out if his claims were true. I was kind of in the middle, but leaning towards trusting Arinian- his claims didn't feel like a ploy to me. 

I suggested lynching Wonko as a sort of compromise- a chance to possibly get a bit of info and to give Arinian more time to do his stuff. Again, it was far from a perfect plan, which is why I didn't push it that hard, but I did propose it as a milder alternative to lynching the guy who had just told us that he was our seeker. Wonko was inactive at the time and was showing no signs of coming back, and as anyone who has played a handful of games with me can testify, whether I'm village or elim, when there isn't a "good" lynch target I always support lynching an inactive. (Reference: See the big "Contribution Crusade" banner in my signature. Also, see my Contribution Crusade post near the beginning of the game (IIRC it's around page 5 of the archive thread, give or take) for more of my views on the CC). 

So if you want to suspect me over that, fine, I guess. I knew it wasn't going to be a popular suggestion, but it's one that I genuinely believed in.

 

I do understand that, and the Contribution Crusade is the only valid reason in my mind for that plan, but... gah. I don't like the idea of deliberately taking a life away from a cleared player to make the eliminators' lives easier. Regardless of their activity level. I really don't like that. 

Suspicions somewhat lowered for now, though. 

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Anyway, as for voting this cycle. I removed my vote from Elbereth because I agree with Arinian- I don't feel right about lynching someone who has just made a huge effort to come back to activity and who frankly has probably put more thought and analyis into the past couple weeks worth of post than any player still alive, with the exception maybe of Joe (I don't know exactly how much he learned and processed from PMing people). I do NOT think that the bandwagon that formed against her was enough of a reason to not suspect her- it dispelled far too quickly for my tastes.

That was Araris, not Arinian, by the way.  Other than that, thank you. It'd be rather nice not to die within 48 hours of catching up on the game... >> Been there before, really not interested in being there again. 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

4 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

@A Joe in the Bush, I don't agee that a large number of smokers o ntradicts Arinian's success . I mea n, as a village smoker 'reisn't too much use in using your power, except to prevent vote manipulations. Also, In general I dislike how you have based your suspicions (as I see it) almost entirely on role distributions.

I do agree with your vote, although not necessarily because of the role-claim. HH. I'm also curious about Drought, but I don't think the lack of a kill is particularly helpful for finding alignment. I suppose if Elbereth and Drought are both elims then the lack of a kill could make sense, but otherwise both teams don't mind killing inactives. I'm going to back off of Assassin, because while I don't like how he has been playing this game, I think that is mostly due to him having a different understanding of the game.

I don't quite get the votes on Elbereth, since it looks like she has put in a lot of effort to get involved with this game. I don't think killing her now will encourage players in the future to try and catch up in games they have fallen behind in.

There are still a bunch of inactives, but it seems like there are enough of us here that we don't really have to worry about them for now.

My suspicons are based off of my interactions with people in PM's. Not roles. The smokers and thugs i suspect because there's no way to prove their role, and because i Know that there was at least one tineye oit there who claimed something other than tineye mistborn. Probably a roleless or a smoker, since with elenions death, they're impossible to prove their role.

I'm actually moving hero and stick of my defend list and into my hmm list, because the more i look at them, the shiftier they seem.

[Stick. she/her]

4 minutes ago, A Joe in the Bush said:

My suspicons are based off of my interactions with people in PM's. Not roles. The smokers and thugs i suspect because there's no way to prove their role, and because i Know that there was at least one tineye oit there who claimed something other than tineye mistborn. Probably a roleless or a smoker, since with elenions death, they're impossible to prove their role.

I'm actually moving hero and stick of my defend list and into my hmm list, because the more i look at them, the shiftier they seem.

NOOOOOO 

I haven't done anything suspicious guys...other than contributing to almost all of the lynches that targeted villagers. I mean, elims wont be that obvious with their voting patterns now would they?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

It's more that everything hero does implicates you. If hero is a villager, then you are. But if he isn't. . . You still might be a villager.

[Magestar he/him]

5 hours ago, Elbereth said:

That would be nice if it were true.  In regards to a completely awful alternate lynch, if such a thing happens I'll vote for myself. The only reason I have for not wanting to die is th at I don't want to disadvantage by deliberately condemning myself to death instead of trying to lynch someone I actually think is an eliminator. But I have no problem with dying in general, and in fact wouldn't mind doing so before the end of this game. 

You know, I really get that.  

5 hours ago, Elbereth said:

Mage a little bit

pumps fist  Someone trusts me!  A little bit, anyway.  

5 hours ago, Elbereth said:

Um. Disagreed. Why would not having won previous AGs/LG1 be disappointing for the villagers? One, games are a year apart, so it’s not like you’re always losing. Two, there’s the attraction of what if this time we win? What if this time is the time that we finally break the curse?

Well, losing multiple AG's in a row would definitely be disappointing for me, at least.  I would still play the next one, for the reasons you specified, but I could see people not wanting to lose another AG.

---

Carmichael fell into his chair, and wiped sweat off his brow.  That was something he never wanted to do again.  Moving most of his stuff out of his house, and then back in?  Yech.  Well, hopefully today he could rest, and start planning.

Edited February 8, 2017 by Magestar

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

I will say that you can prove a Thug. You just have to kill them once (like me). And it wasn't a lurcher, because Meta puts the nature of the survival in the write up. You are fine to lynch me on other suspicions, though.

[Seonid he/him]

11 hours ago, little wilson said:

Joe, Gamma's dead, fyi.

I think for now, I'm going to vote for Seonid, because he's been less active, and I'd like to hear a little more from him. I'll be honest: this is mostly a poke vote, though I wouldn't mind lynching him either. For actual suspicions, I'm still suspicious of Mage and Headshot, and I've got a growing suspicion of Jondesu. I keep going back and forth on Assassin, but...yeah. I'll likely vote on one of those four (emphasis on Mage or Headshot) if Seonid comes along and I remove my vote from him. But that will be later in the cycle. I was suspicious of El at the start of the cycle, but that's died down now, thanks to the bandwagon.

I'd like to hear a little more from me too!

Right now, I'm actually most suspicious of Wilson. Yes, this implies a WGG. Yes, i know that Wilson doesn't like drawing attention to herself. Yes, I'm acutely aware that she'd do it in a heartbeat anyways if she thought her team had a good chance at it.

In addition, several of her posts have rubbed me the wrong way.

However, though Wilson is the one I'm most suspicious of, I'm actually not hugely suspicious of her. Just more so than anyone else.

Therefore, I'm going to jump on a contribution crusade this cycle.

I'd like to hear more from Locke

[Jondesu he/him]

STINK, I'm sorry, but saying you're not quitting but won't post does kinda rub me the wrong way, and you've been on my suspicious list long enough I'm gonna put a vote down on you.  It's just a gut read still, like most of my other votes, but your attitude seems like someone who doesn't care who dies, but isn't trying to keep anyone alive either, since you know who your teammates are.

@little wilson, @A Joe in the Bush, and @Elbereth, I see you're all saying you're growing suspicious of me, but just gut reads.  Mind saying what you're suspicious of?  I know people are paranoid about WGGs this game especially, but I feel like doing that with me at that point in the game would have been a really weird move for the Spiked.  At the same time, I suspect they haven't killed me for good because they want me to draw suspicion for surviving, much like they may be doing with players like El, since she's not much of a threat if she's a villager and she'll gain votes from inactivity or coming back, potentially.  There's no advantage to them killing either of us off at this point, especially since I've been wrong enough times that I'm probably helping them (except with Nyali, but I was far from alone in that one).

Edited February 8, 2017 by Jondesu

[STINK he/him]

Mate, don't make me make a post about you.

 

[Herowannabe he/him]

27 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

 

@little wilson, @A Joe in the Bush, and @Elbereth, I see you're all saying you're growing suspicious of me, but just gut reads.  Mind saying what you're suspicious of?  I know people are paranoid about WGGs this game especially, but I feel like doing that with me at that point in the game would have been a really weird move for the Spiked. 

I thought that too, for a while. Why would the Spiked use up a thug's power just to pull a WGG that might or might not work? It seemed like too much of a price to pay for the risk involved.

But then I realized, what if you're a mistborn? The spiked could wait until a cycle when you were a thug and then attack you without losing anything. You'd be alive, you'd still be a mistborn, could still draw powers, and maybe the villagers wouldn't suspect you now. We know that there is at least one more mistborn out there, and it might be you. 

Just saying.

16 minutes ago, STINK said:

Mate, don't make me make a post about you.

 

I believe that's exactly what he's trying to make you do.

For what it's worth, I agree with him. You can't say you're still playing the game if you sit on the sidelines and refuse to take the field. And if you are still following the game, is it so hard to just throw out a post once every couple of days and vote for someone? Or voice a suspicion or two?

[STINK he/him]

4 minutes ago, Herowannabe said:

You can't say you're still playing the game if you sit on the sidelines and refuse to take the field. And if you are still following the game, is it so hard to just throw out a post once every couple of days and vote for someone? Or voice a suspicion or two?

Yes and Yes