Long Game 24: The Godless City

[Mailliw73 he/him]

19 minutes ago, little wilson said:

 ....Wait. The....nonexistent Reckoner's Jacket? Oh wait! I know what you're giving me! I know what this is! Your ability to pull gambits. You're risk-taking skills as an eliminator!  I accept. I accept so much. Yay!

 But... I don't even know where to start with this one. For one, it's usually me that gets overthrown in those coups--which totally isn't cool, mind you--and two...are you trying to bring down the Holy Order? I'm supposedly one of those Maill-designated "slaves" (even though I'm totally not a slave), and the fact that you're trying to pass the "ownership" of me (which can't be passed, mind you, as I retain full ownership of me no matter what you or Aman says to the contrary) to my Grandmaster.... Oh my word. You are. You're trying to destroy the Holy Order. This is your true final gift to your Lord, isn't it? No matter what you say to the contrary. Of course it is, Silverpike.

Emerald. Maill. Die, once and for all. Die and let the shadows die with you. May the Light reign supreme.

 

But really, though, thanks for the good times, Maill. Oh, and Iron Man will always be the best. : P

I knew you'd get it.

 That ones up to Orlok. 

Its too bad I'm not the Shadows. I'm the Storm. Batman all the way.

8 minutes ago, Alvron said:

I'm curious, how did you separate Mashadar from Odium?

Your Shadow is in good hands.

It has been a pleasure playing with you and I shall look forward to your triumphant return.  And return you must as there will be a whole new crop of people needing to meet the SE Silverpike.  Farewell and good journey Maill.

It involved some...unrepeatable actions. A bit of death, some blood, a touch of evil. The works. 

I'm glad. 

Thank you. I look forward to returning to hear of your legacy. 

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Oh, yeah. Was gonna put my reads up.

Village reads:

Aman(fairly strong read)
Elbereth(weak read)
Young Bard(medium read)
Elenion(weak read)
Kipper(weak read)

Other reads:

Orlok - started off as a village read but now I'm not really sure. He's in the middle for me(was gonna say Neutral read, but... )
Wilson - I don't really know. I'm a little suspicious of her, but not a whole lot.
Burnt - I'm a little suspicious of her just due to talking with her in PM's, but it's very hard for me to tell her alignment.
Stink - I think he's telling the truth about being Neutral.
Jaime - gut suspicion.
Magestar - gut suspicion initially but his defense to me the other Day dealt with that pretty much.
Emerald - I can't really decide on. I thought her defense earlier this Day sounded village, but Elbereth has a gut read against her and if Wilson is actually village, that would make me a lot more concerned about Emerald. I just can't bring myself to trust Wilson much, if at all, based on what she's done so far

Really, that's about it. I don't have any strong suspicions at the moment. Oh, I'm the one who asked Silverblade and the other Noble claim I got to Noble vote on Burnt(as a joke on Burnt and also so they could prove their roles to me). I see no reason to doubt the other players claim, given Burnt did receive the Noble vote. Still, he(silverblade) knows who the other claimed Noble is now, so they can talk it out between themselves(they both wanted to know who the other was). 

[Silverblade5 he/him]

14 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

 

Really, that's about it. I don't have any strong suspicions at the moment. Oh, I'm the one who asked Silverblade and the other Noble claim I got to Noble vote on Burnt(as a joke on Burnt and also so they could prove their roles to me). I see no reason to doubt the other players claim, given Burnt did receive the Noble vote. Still, he(silverblade) knows who the other claimed Noble is now, so they can talk it out between themselves(they both wanted to know who the other was). 

This is true. Can confirm 

[Renegade he/him]

2 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Elenion has done some things that made me suspicious (such as claim Pirate to me as well), but then he cleared up most of what I didn't like about what he'd done, so I can't say I really think he's an eliminator.

(Emphasis mine)

You said on Day 1 that you knew that a Duke (Elenion) would be voting for Straw, which means that Elenion claimed both Pirate and Duke to you on Day 1.  In that case, what motive would he have to pretend to be a role that can survive a kill, and then go back on that claim within the same turn?

I'm not particularly suspicious of either of you, I just don't know how this information is helpful to anyone in a PM, when it is already public knowledge that Elenion is (at least allegedly) a Duke.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

6 minutes ago, Renegade said:

(Emphasis mine)

You said on Day 1 that you knew that a Duke (Elenion) would be voting for Straw, which means that Elenion claimed both Pirate and Duke to you on Day 1.  In that case, what motive would he have to pretend to be a role that can survive a kill, and then go back on that claim within the same turn?

I'm not particularly suspicious of either of you, I just don't know how this information is helpful to anyone in a PM, when it is already public knowledge that Elenion is (at least allegedly) a Duke.

Sorry, yeah, it was especially confusing to me.

Elenion claimed Pirate to me on Day 1, saying his calling for being lynched was all a joke(this was supposedly a plan to make sure he wasn't killed by the elims during the Night, which he told Mailliw about, so I guess it was actually a plan he made). Later that Day, he told me he was in contact with "a Duke" who said they were putting their vote on Straw, but didn't want to vote in thread because it might cause conspiracy theories or something like that. I told him I'd rather the Duke voted on Straw in thread to further discussion but left it at that.

Basically, he claimed Pirate to me, but told me he was working with a player who'd claimed Duke. This Day Turn I confronted him and he told me that he was a Duke and most of what he'd told me the previous Day had been lies.

[Renegade he/him]

Fair enough.  That doesn't really make me too much more or less suspicious of Elenion, but I think it's clear that Maill is far more suspicious at this point. 

Edited August 2, 2016 by Renegade

[Renegade he/him]

Double post! 

I'm switching my vote back just to keep things closer and more interesting (for now). Maill, Elenion.

Edited August 2, 2016 by Renegade

[Mailliw73 he/him]

One final present I have:

Presenting, Soul Devouring and Spitting with Maill. 

1. Ecthelion III DEAD
2. Elbereth Neutral Merchant
3. Mailliw STORMFATHER
4. Silverblade Noble
5. Elenion Duke
6. Arraenae Beggar
7. Master Elodin Merchant
8. The Young Bard Jeskeri
9. Eolhondras Bodyguard
10. Straw DEAD
11. Magestar Jeskeri?
12. Amanuensis Jindo Legionnaire
13. Orlok Pirate
14. Stink Citizen Pirate
15. Conquestor Noble
16. Jaime Veteran
17. Emerald Citizen? Dula
18. Antgrgmn Legionnaire
19. Wilson Jester
20. Araris Beggar
21. The Silver Dragon Noble
22. Burnt Spaghetti Noble
23. Kipper Eliminator-not sure which faction
24. Aonar Bodyguard
25. Alvron LORD OF SHADOWS
26. Renegade Conversion role
27. Lopen Retired Pirate
28. Sart Jeskeri Noble

Above is a list of roles that I have had claimed to me or have proven or deduced. 95% is correct. The other 5% might not be. 

Also, should you wish to learn what the Jeskeri do, I have informed the Neutral roles of that. You will have to convince them to side with the village, at least enough to tell you about the Jeskeri. 

Thanks for the fun time guys! I needed one last throwback to my old games.  Have fun. 

[Alvron]

Storms I'm going to miss you Maill.  Now we get all the fun of trying to work out which of those are true and which are lies for us to fall into.

[Elbereth she/her]

 I don't think I'll ever regret calling you the Storm. This is why. Right here. 

Maill. I'll miss you. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

So basically this is my understanding of what's going on with Len, and why I haven't gotten involved until now.

Len starts the day turn doing his usual thing. I take note of it, but it doesn't seem much different than the way he was acting in MR15. Not too long after I get approached by a player who says he is really suspicious of him (and at the time, wanted him dead), but was afraid he was tunneling because there's quite a few things Len said / did in MR15 that irked him, and despite this being a new game, it didn't seem like he was doing any better. Said player asks me to keep my eye on Len so that I can help keep his bias in check. I say okay, cool, will do. And I do. And despite him (and other players) saying they were suspicious of Len, I saw it less of him being an eliminator and more him just getting on some people's nerves. Kipper's first post talking about him is a pretty good example of a terrible reason to vote someone for the lynch (in a nutshell, he was annoyed and wanted to shut him up; or, at least, that's how I read it).

Anyway, I don't hear anything more about Len for a while. though I am watching the votes accumulate on him, taking note on who voted for him and who defended him. Magestar defends him pretty strongly, which while I agree with the reasons completely, I can't help but be curious if there's an ulterior motive to it (aka teammates). So, I let it run it's course for the exact same reason Sart mentioned earlier this turn. I saw some parallels with the swing off of him to previous games and felt no need to get directly involved myself. After all, I told the thread I really didn't think Sart was evil on D1 of LG22 and I never got involved, and that ended up working really well for the village (a part of the reason why I think my early game reads are inefficient compared to my late game). Anyway, Len and Straw end up getting tied, or at least very close, in votes, and the same player who asked me to keep my eye on Len tells me that he claimed Duke and that he was going to use his power to kill Straw. So I was like, okay, cool, let's see if he's not bluffing and has the actual power to do it.

Towards the end of the turn I also catch wind that Len is part of some kind of weird Claim-Chain, where a "Duke" had created some kind of cell and was coordinating votes / claims within it. The "Duke" would have them tell one of the other players their role so that everyone knew their own little bit of info, and then that info would get passed around until everyone knew everybody's role (but not the identities of every player) or something weird like that, so that the Duke could tell them all "Dula do this and Merchant do that" or whatever. The same player who tells me about this also tells me that they assumed it was Mailliw because someone told him that Mailliw asked Len to vote on Bard and Len told Bard that Mailliw was trying to get him killed. Bard also apparently told the same player about the situation from their perspective, I think.

If you're confused by that last paragraph it's because it's storming confusing, and a lot of the reason why I've just been letting it run it's course. I've only just recently got a PM from Len, and he basically clarified some details for me, which are: he claimed Pirate to some people around the time that he decided to post his "go ahead and lynch me" shpeel and that some of those people found that suspicious because it was the type of desperate move an eliminator might try to pull when they're leading in a lynch. My personal opinion on that is it's not very alignment indicative. I understand the desire for self-preservation from a Village perspective absolutely (D2 of LG23, and many more before that). He also told me that the thing about the Chain-Claim was just a lie he conceived to back up some of his claims, or something to that effect. Before this I was still content to leave things because there were enough difficult-to-comprehend shenanigans going on that confirmation of Len's role and alignment could alleviate, as well as help me get some reads on the players voting for and defending him.

I also heard something about him lying about being a Noble and promising to vote on Burnt, but it turns out I had misunderstood what that player was trying to tell me (basically they told me two things at once - that he had asked two Nobles to vote for Burnt to prove their role, and that Len admitted to lying about his role - and I had though he was saying Len was one of those claimed Nobles and that was the role he lied about, so then I was even more confused about how the Burnt vote succeeded and I decided I needed some answers).

After having this all clarified for me, I came back to the same conclusion I had on D1. I think Len is a villager, albeit a misguided one. I remember how lost I felt in my first two games here and can sympathize with that. I also had to deal with a very similar situation in LG15b where Creccio was doing all kinds of crazy and confusing things in PMs and I lead a lynch on him just to get some concrete evidence, only to find out he was just a villager and the other person we were originally going to lynch that turn was an eliminator so... yeah.

I already brought this up in a couple PMs, but I'm perfectly okay with only lynching Mailliw at this point instead of trying to jam someone else in there that doesn't have sufficient reasoning behind it. I don't agree with the lynch on Len or the lynch on Emerald, but I also don't have enough time in this turn right now to present a case for a couple people that I personally am suspicious of.

So... yeah. If there are Merchants out there and you can soothe some random votes, I would appreciate it. Also if there are more Dukes than just Elenion, I would be happy to see you use your power on Mailliw. Nobles too. What's the biggest record for votes on a player again, @little wilson? I know I've asked you before.

 

(9) Mailliw73: Amanuensis, OrlokTsubodai, TheMightyLopen, Kipper, Magestar, Elenion, little wilson, Alvron, Elbereth,

(5) Elenion: Sart, Arraenae, The Young Bard, Stink, Renegade,

(2) Emerald101: Conquestor, jaimeleecee,

(1) Elbereth: Araris Valerian,

 

Storming ninjas!

Edited August 2, 2016 by Amanuensis

[little wilson she/her]

7 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

What's the biggest record for votes on a player again, @little wilson? I know I've asked you before.

17, I believe. Held by Winter in LG12.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

13 minutes ago, Alvron said:

Storms I'm going to miss you Maill.  Now we get all the fun of trying to work out which of those are true and which are lies for us to fall into.

Thanks.  Yes, yes you do. Or am I being completely honest?

9 minutes ago, Elbereth said:

 I don't think I'll ever regret calling you the Storm. This is why. Right here. 

Maill. I'll miss you. 

I don't think so either.

This infodump always did solidify my lynch.  

[Renegade he/him]

Maill. No point in really keeping my vote on Elenion at this point. But really, a conversion role? 

[Mailliw73 he/him]

9 minutes ago, Renegade said:

Maill. No point in really keeping my vote on Elenion at this point. But really, a conversion role? 

Well you didn't tell me what it was called.  I could guess Gyorn again, but I just went with a generic title to be safe. 

[Eolhondras he/him]

Mailliw, your aviar are in good hands, and I will be blessed if they serve me even a fraction as well as they did you.

[Amanuensis he/him]

That makes eleven votes, I believe. Eight more and Mailliw breaks a record. Anyone else care to help? @Burnt Spaghetti @Sart @Arraenae @The Young Bard @STINK @Conquestor @jaimeleecee @Araris Valerian @TheSilverDragon

[Arraenae]

Alright. Elenion. Maill.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Yeah, c'mon people! Vote!

[TheSilverDragon he/him]

Mailliw, I will try my best to lean, From the Shadows, the ultimate SE ability.

I'm pretty sure I voted allready.

[Amanuensis he/him]

You're right, I missed you SD. Sorry.

(13) Mailliw73: Amanuensis, OrlokTsubodai, TheMightyLopen, Kipper, Magestar, TheSilverDragon, Elenion, little Wilson, Alvron, Elbereth, Renegade, Eolhondras, Arraenae,

(3) Elenion: Sart,  The Young Bard, Stink,

(2) Emerald101: Conquestor, jaimeleecee,

(1) Elbereth: Araris Valerian,

Edited August 2, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

45 minutes left to vote for Mailliw. (Everyone is assuming I made him a jester. Why would I do that when I cold make him a Veteran/Jester Combo?) I didn't do that though. Too OP.

Edited August 2, 2016 by The Only Joe

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Hey Nobles, you should add your vote on Maill as well. Len, could you Duke vote him?

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Ah right. Mailliw

[jaimeleecee she/her]

@Amanuensis your tally is wrong  I switched my vote to Elenion earlier. 

Maill thanks for the gift of endless corruption, I will do my best to use it [ir]responsibly  

Edited August 2, 2016 by jaimeleecee