Long Game 24: The Godless City

[Silverblade5 he/him]

If anyone is a noble, please pm me. I want to try to get the noble vote more coordinated. 

[Arraenae]

That's the second time some philosophical -type figure has attacked someone. A serial killer? Like last Night, we had two attacks, and I feel like at least one of them isn't village based.

[Elenion he/him]

2 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

That's the second time some philosophical -type figure has attacked someone. A serial killer? Like last Night, we had two attacks, and I feel like at least one of them isn't village based.

If so, that would mean that Maill's chart isn't right.

22 minutes ago, Silverblade5 said:

If anyone is a noble, please pm me. I want to try to get the noble vote more coordinated. 

I know one but I think you already know them. Please contact me in PM if you don't know a Noble who's claimed to me.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Wilson, it was just a theory I thought of. Maybe you're right and it's not alignment indicative. I just thought I'd put it out there, since it was what was on my mind. I realize there is a benefit for some villagers to stay silent as well, I was just thinking that it would make things tough for a Dula/a good hiding place for elims to not get scanned and I am also a bit suspicious of some of the players who were staying silent, so I saw my theory as a possibility. I wasn't by any means demanding everyone who's not arrested post during the Night.

About the attacks. I'm guessing Alv was attacked by the eliminators and Conq was attacked by a villager, although neither attacker has to be village(or an elim, but it seems likely one of them is).

[Elenion he/him]

5 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said:

Wilson, it was just a theory I thought of. Maybe you're right and it's not alignment indicative. I just thought I'd put it out there, since it was what was on my mind. I realize there is a benefit for some villagers to stay silent as well, I was just thinking that it would make things tough for a Dula/a good hiding place for elims to not get scanned and I am also a bit suspicious of some of the players who were staying silent, so I saw my theory as a possibility. I wasn't by any means demanding everyone who's not arrested post during the Night.

About the attacks. I'm guessing Alv was attacked by the eliminators and Conq was attacked by a villager, although neither attacker has to be village(or an elim, but it seems likely one of them is).

Whomever the killer, I think the villager probably made the kill on a player who had claimed Pirate to them, in order to test their claim. That means that the two survivors should check their PM friends for a suspicious player whom they had claimed to.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Player List:

 

1. Alv (Adonai)
2. Aman (Father Mai)
3. Antgrgmn  (   )
4. Aonar (Aoryn Rasiar)
5. Araris (Alaraon)
6. Arraenae (Anelin)
7. Bard (    )
8. Burnt Spaghetti (Naara Ghetti)
9. Con (Lorien)
10 Ecthelion III (Aeleus): Citizen Noble (via night kill)
11. Elbereth (Liadan)
12. Elenion (Ashkelon)
13. Elodin (Lexicon)
14. Emerald (Opa Krieger)
15. Eolhondras (Eoltias)
16. Jaimie (Janomi)
17. Kipper (Kipper)
18. Lopen (Lopen)
19. Magestar (James Kailin)
20. Maill (Esheo) : Citizen Bodyguard (via lynch)
21. Orlok (Locke)
22. Ren (Renoth)
23. Sart (   )
24. SD (Fiydir)
25. Silverblade (Ryth)
26. STINK (JUMAE)
27. Straw (straw): Citizen Retired Pirate (via night kill)
28. Wilson (Original Wilson)

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Edited August 3, 2016 by Burnt Spaghetti
Fixing it up

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Okay, so, my current suspicions are: Jaime(gut), Burnt(gut from our PM - sorry, but thanks for the quicklinks and stuff!), Conq(I just think he's being less game relevant with his posts so far - I'm not the one who attacked him though, I was surprised to see that he was attacked, given his quietness and inactivity in the early Turns), Orlok(PM reasons mostly), Aonar(lurkingish? He was quite a lurker in MR10 when he was evil), and SilverBlade(gut) and I think that's it. Mild paranoia about El, but it's nothing serious(yet ).

Oh, and village reads on Aman, Bard, Emerald, Elenion, Alvron(more, he was attacked and I think it was the elims who did it, so putting him in the villager section of my reads for now) and that's all(I think. I'm really tired as I'm posting this, so I may have forgotten about a player or two).

Wilson - scanned by a Dula apparently. I'm willing to believe that claim for now.

[STINK he/him]

Who was it that tried to order my death?

[Magestar he/him]

I'm going to respond to things right now that happened last night, because, I could not respond last night.

As far as Maill's list goes, I have a few major problems with it, such as it labels me a Jeskeri.   Seriously, though, I think it has a lot of accurate info, but a lot of that is info that A: is because of widely known Roleclaims B: because of PM stuff.  The problem will be with information only Maill knew, or info he made up/'deduced'.  I personally think that, while the list is nice, we should not put too much stock by it, as it will most likely cause more problems then not.

Also, as far as not posting in the night cycles, I did not do it N1 for the reasons wilson provided.  N2 is a different story.  A story, perhaps, for another time.  

I think there are quite a few more kill roles than we are seeing, mainly because A; one of the kill roles we have seen seems to be the Phantom of the Opera, and has appeared both times.  B:  Lets say that the other kill has JUST been eliminators.  Where are the Chay-Shan?  And there are no more Neutral Kill roles?  Two kills per night in a game with this many people seems low.  I would like to see some more Chay-Shan village discussion.

That writeup was great.   Very well written.  

Onto things that have have happened this day cycle...

My suspicions are almost the exact opposite of Lopens, which is a little disconcerting.  There are a few exceptions, but Elbereth stays in the middle.  I am not really suspicious of Aman,  or Emerald.  I still think Elenion is just trying to stay alive, but he has created such a confusing mess of things that I am having trouble reading him.  He's probably going to get into trouble for that sooner or later.  I can see why Lopen would have an elim read on him.

I might add more to this later, depending on whether or not anyone posts.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Magestar

[STINK he/him]

Oh yeah Lopen how were you trolled

[Conquestor he/him]

I would like to know who tried to kill me and why. Also, the reason I haven't really been on is because I have been getting into college.

[Eolhondras he/him]

I'm not sure we should make the assumption that the the kills are ChayShan and Eliminator kills. 

While its almost certain that one of them is an Eliminator faction, the other kill I have some doubts about. I think its more likely to be a serial killer, given that this is a secret role game and that there was no real suspicion surrounding Con or Alv before the kill was placed. It really only benefits the SK to be trying to kill people every cycle without discussion. It would be incredibly easy to target the person that the village is calling the ChayShan to target, have them make the assumption that that is in fact what happened, then avoid suspicion or retribution in further cycles. 

[Magestar he/him]

I'm not assuming that one of the kills is ChayShan. In fact, I said that one is the Phantom, and we can assume the other is the Elims.    In other words, I agree with pretty much everything you said.  

 

Also, I love the MC Vader bit.  That's great Alv.  

Edited August 3, 2016 by Magestar

[STINK he/him]

Anyone tried looking for more subtle clues? We know Joe does them and did them in the first write-up...

[Magestar he/him]

Everyone is so quiet...

[Arraenae]

11 hours ago, Elenion said:

Whomever the killer, I think the villager probably made the kill on a player who had claimed Pirate to them, in order to test their claim. That means that the two survivors should check their PM friends for a suspicious player whom they had claimed to.

If anyone had outside protection, I think Alvron is more likely to have had it, since he's a player with a pretty high reputation.

I don't think eliminators would necessarily go for people who have claimed extra lives -- I think they usually avoid them, since they take more hits to die. Why kill Player A over two Nights when you can kill the equally annoying Player B over one Night?

Lopen, can you explain what has happened in your PM with Orlok that makes you suspicious of him? I have a weak gut trust of him, but it's very unsubstantiated.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Alright, so. If I recall correctly, if a person is attacked but "survives" that means they had an extra life, while "saved" would mean there was interference from a Legionnaire or a Bodyguard (or neutral / evil equivalent). So, at the very least, that's two more Retired Pirates. The write up pretty heavily implies Alvron is retired, so... I guess I'd guess that for him. As for Conq, no idea, but I agree with there being a theme with the attack on him and the attack on Ecth. It's pretty clear someone else attacked Straw that night (there were two fights going on at once) but with his death it was a lot more unclear. So, my theory there is: Assailant A attacked Straw and attacked Alvron (unseen enemy). Assailant B attacked Ecth and Conq (Philosopher). Since I'm also of the opinion that the player who killed Straw was a ChayShan Monk (it makes no sense to me for the Eliminators or a Serial Killer to attackl someone who had a decent chance of being lynched the next turn) while whoever attacked Ecth and Conq are evil. Whether or not Ecth/Conq's attacker is the Eliminators or a Serial Killer, at this point, is hard to determine, but I'm guessing Eliminators. If a kill was blocked, we would know. Eliminators would not wait to use their kills while an SK might. Now the question next would be, why Ecth and Conq? My guess is because the eliminators don't want to choose obvious targets for the following reasons: firstly, so that they don't risk their attack being blocked, secondly, to keep us in the dark further, as it's hard to discern motivations from a strategy like that. There's also a third reason (that one or more of their players are regarded as "high threat," so if they attack those players and succeed in killing them, eventually it'll narrow down which of them are evil.

[Emerald101 he/him]

I"m not sure you guys are going to believe me when I say this, but I was attacked last night as well, but got saved by  a Bodyguard. I'm guessing I was attacked because Maill claimed that I was a Dula in his list (which I will neither confirm nor deny). The thought of three kills trying to go down in one night is pretty scary, it's a miracle all three targets survived.

[Amanuensis he/him]

I swear I read somewhere that people saved from attacks would be announced in thread. @The Only Joe, can you clarify which would happen?

[Emerald101 he/him]

IIRC he did say that survived is attacked but not killed (i. e. Pirate) but saved was via bodyguard (or equivalent neutral), but didn't clarify if kills stopped by a bodyguard would be posted in the writeup.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Emerald101
clarity

[Amanuensis he/him]

6 minutes ago, Emerald101 said:

 

 

IIRC he did say that survived is attacked but not killed (i. e. Pirate) but saved was via bodyguard (or equivalent neutral), but didn't clarify if kills stopped by a bodyguard would be posted in the writeup.

That's what I thought. I feel like if Bodyguard protection wasn't meant to appear in the write up, he'd have just said that instead of differentiate Survived from Saved.

Anyway, I'm in the process of building a case (albeit a small one) on a player I'm personally suspicious of, and will edit it in here if no one posts after me.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Emerald101 he/him]

He has to differentiate it for people's PM's though.

[Guest]

Has anyone been contacted directly by the Dula that supposedly scanned Wilson, or are we just taking her word for it?

[little wilson she/her]

You honestly think an intelligent Dula is going to be contacting people they haven't scanned to let them know their role? No. They're not. That's not to say that someone other than me doesn't know their identity. One other person does (because both the Dula and I have a very strong village read on said person).

Now, you can be skeptical all you want, and try to cast doubt on my being scanned, but no matter what you say, you're not going to get the Dula to contact you to tell you that they scanned me.

Also, the Dula scanned Magestar during the night. He came up as not an eliminator.

[Elenion he/him]

Just now, little wilson said:

You honestly think an intelligent Dula is going to be contacting people they haven't scanned to let them know their role? No. They're not. That's not to say that someone other than me doesn't know their identity. One other person does (because both the Dula and I have a very strong village read on said person).

Now, you can be skeptical all you want, and try to cast doubt on my being scanned, but no matter what you say, you're not going to get the Dula to contact you to tell you that they scanned me.

Also, the Dula scanned Magestar during the night. He came up as not an eliminator.

I'd take this at face value except for the fact that you and Mage could be making this all up and, by your own admission, we wouldn't be able to prove it. Until you, Mage, or your Dula gets scanned by a reputable other Dula I will remain skeptical.