Long Game 24: The Godless City

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

9 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

 

Ah, this. Araris. Do you want to explain what happened, or should I, Silverblade? Pushing my lynch would most assuredly end with your death. Your teammates wouldn't like that, huh?

Well I know my teammates would be sad if I died.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

7 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

I swear Iequivalents somewhere that people saved from attacks would be announced in thread. @The Only Joe, can you clarify which would happen?

Players who are saved by bodyguards or equivalents will not be announced.

[Amanuensis he/him]

6 minutes ago, The Only Joe said:

Players who are saved by bodyguards or equivalents will not be announced.

Thanks. So, now I'm wondering who protected Emerald. I'm aware of three players who have claimed Bodyguard. One of them claims to have protected themselves N1 and Wilson N2. Another claims to have protected themselves both nights. The last one I'm pretty sure has been protecting themselves, though they never said so and I've yet to ask. Add to this the fact that Mailliw was a Bodyguard and there's a couple Beggar claims out there... somethings not right. 

[Silverblade5 he/him]

24 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

 

Ah, this. Araris. Do you want to explain what happened, or should I, Silverblade? Pushing my lynch would most assuredly end with your death. Your teammates wouldn't like that, huh?

Sure. When I was unable to convince Rae of Village!Silverblade5, I claimed netrual because she was selling herself as a netrual begging, and I thought information gathering would be easier if I posed as what she was already convinced I was than if I wasted time continue to try and alter that perception. She made it quite clear she'd be willing to work with eliminator. However, she also made it sound like she didn't know them. Hence netrual evil. When I once again declared village afterwards, she said she wanted me to  have fun with my boring win condition.

 

Edited August 4, 2016 by Silverblade5

[Arraenae]

 

Just now, Silverblade5 said:

Sure. When I was unable to convince Rae of Village!Silverblade5, I claimed netrual because she was selling herself as a netrual begging, and I thought information gathering would be easier if I posed as what she was already convinced I was than if I wasted time continue to try and alter that perception. She made it quite clear she'd be willing to work with eliminator. However, she also made it sound like she didn't know them. Hence netrual evil. When I once again declared village afterwards, she said she wanted me to  have fun with my boring win condition.

Ah, that's your spin, huh? What happened was quite different than how you describe it. @little wilson, @OrlokTsubodai, here's your key: 

lookraesdeadbutsheencodedsomeinfoforyouallpleasemakegooduseofit. @Amanuensis, you can also describe what happened.

My family is demanding that I eat dinner, so I can't post for the next fourty-five minutes to hour. Aman, Wilson, and Orlok should be able to explain what happened.

[Silverblade5 he/him]

17 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

 

Ah, that's your spin, huh? What happened was quite different than how you describe it. @little wilson, @OrlokTsubodai, here's your key: 

lookraesdeadbutsheencodedsomeinfoforyouallpleasemakegooduseofit. @Amanuensis, you can also describe what happened.

My family is demanding that I eat dinner, so I can't post for the next fourty-five minutes to hour. Aman, Wilson, and Orlok should be able to explain what happened.

Great idea. An unbiased opinion is always better. 

She also claimed knowledge of the mysterious Dula  

@The Only Joe

Can additional people be added to an existing pm?

Edited August 4, 2016 by Silverblade5

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Aman, one quick thing on the voting for Emerald last cycle, you missed a vote that Jaime put on Emerald. I remember counting 3 votes on Emerald when I made that post, and I also remember having a hard time seeing Jaime's vote. But 3 votes without any discussion did seem like a bandwagon to me. And I kind of assumed that people would try and balance the lynch with Mailliw once we decided in a secondary target, so that is why is discounted that Mailliw already had more votes.

@Arraenae You discounted my defense quickly by saying that I was basically redefining the meaning of my original post. But if you assume that is correct, then as Aman pointed out, I would be going against one of my biggest sticking points in SE. Which seems like an illogical thing to do.

Jaime has twice voted with little explanation, and I have decided to take this personally. @jaimeleecee, what do you have to say about Emerald, and myself, and my response to Aman's analysis

Edited August 4, 2016 by Araris Valerian
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[Amanuensis he/him]

6 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

 

Aman, one quick thing on the voting for Emerald last cycle, you missed a vote that Jaime put on Emerald. I remember counting 3 votes on Emerald when I made that post, and I also remember having a hard time seeing Jaime's vote. But 3 votes without any discussion did seem like a bandwagon to me. And I kind of assumed that people would try and balance the lynch with Mailliw once we decided in a secondary target, so that is why is discounted that Mailliw already had more votes.

@Arraenae You discounted my defense quickly by saying that I was basically redefining the meaning of my original post. But if you assume that is correct, then as Aman pointed out, I would be going against one of my biggest sticking points in SE. Which seems like an illogical thing to do.

Jaime[\color] has twice voted with little explanation, and I have decided to take this personally. @jaimeleecee, what do you have to say about Emerald, and myself, and my response to Aman's analysis

Ah, you're right. I didn't see it because she ended up greening it out. I was only looking for red when I went back through it. Sorry.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

1 hour ago, Silverblade5 said:

Can additional people be added to an existing pm?

Nope!

EXCEPTION: There's an Out of Game PM that players are allowed to talk in, even during the night or if dead. Ask STINK about it. People can get added to that.

Edited August 4, 2016 by The Only Joe

[jaimeleecee she/her]

36 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Aman, one quick thing on the voting for Emerald last cycle, you missed a vote that Jaime put on Emerald. I remember counting 3 votes on Emerald when I made that post, and I also remember having a hard time seeing Jaime's vote. But 3 votes without any discussion did seem like a bandwagon to me. And I kind of assumed that people would try and balance the lynch with Mailliw once we decided in a secondary target, so that is why is discounted that Mailliw already had more votes.

@Arraenae You discounted my defense quickly by saying that I was basically redefining the meaning of my original post. But if you assume that is correct, then as Aman pointed out, I would be going against one of my biggest sticking points in SE. Which seems like an illogical thing to do.

Jaime[\color] has twice voted with little explanation, and I have decided to take this personally. @jaimeleecee, what do you have to say about Emerald, and myself, and my response to Aman's analysis

Well I was going to consider changing my vote as I was reading through and catching up, but now it is personal.  

Yes Aman missed my vote, but I said in my post voting for you that I was one of the Emerald votes.  Not writing essays to explain my votes is not unusual for me, and is something I have been called out on several times, but sorry not sorry I'm just not a writer.. Most of the time I don't have time to write an essay or even put all of my thoughts into a coherent post other than just sharing my thoughts or a summary of my reasoning.  I had reasons behind each vote, I said my reasons for Emeralds vote were not strong but I had no other leads.  In the case of voting for you, I expressed my dislike with your persistantance over the Emerald votes, which I had dismissed, and became more suspicious after reading Amans arguments (which is the whole reason why some players choose to write such long concise posts, to convince people to follow their theories, add to them, or even disprove them) so I don't see a problem with that either. In no way were these pointless votes to me. I'm just not going to take time away from my RL to write an essay to satisfy everyone, the end. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

So, a player just claimed to me that they were the ChayShan who attacked Straw on N1, but did not attack anyone last night. That means that there have been four kills so far.

1. Straw's killer
2. Ecth's Killer and Conq's Assailant
3. Alv's Assailant
4. "Emerald's Assailant"

That might explain why there's so many protective roles this game. But at this point I doubt that they're all village.

1. Mailliw the Bodyguard
2. Retired Pirate Straw
3. Alvron w/ Extra Life
4. Conq w/ Extra Life
5. Legionnaire A who Arrested me N1
6. Legionnaire B who Arrested me N1
7. "Bodyguard A Claim"
8. "Bodyguard B Claim"
9. "Emerald the Bodyguard"
10. "Legionnaire C who Arrested Stink N1"

Key: Proven via write up, Proven to me, Unproven to me

Of the unproven, I don't believe Stink's claim of there being a third Legionnaire who arrested him at all, and I also don't yet believe the claim that Emerald was attacked / that he defended himself (but that's mostly because he took so long to announce it in the thread) whereas the other two players claimed Bodyguard much earlier, and long before it was convenient for them to tell anyone.

There's also the Beggars we have to factor into this. So far Rae is the only person who's claimed Beggar, as far as I'm aware, so given it was a guarantee that Mailliw would be lynched, it might not be a bad thing if she was the only one. As an aside, I still have yet to hear any Merchant claims, nor Noble aside from Silverblade or Duke save for Elenion. Knowing this, it seems this game is primarily kills and protects. What I want to know is what people think we should go from here, knowing this information? Personally I don't think we should go down the same route the Villagers did in LG14 (the last LG Joe ran) where they lynched all of the Bodyguards only to find out none of them were evil. But I also don't think that everyone on this list is innocent.

EDIT: I'm going to bed now. Will post again tomorrow.

Edited August 4, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Arraenae]

I'm back, so that means I can post. I believe that Silverblade is an eliminator. Let's start from the beginning, so you can see why.

Part One: Some Context to This All

Our story starts not in LG24, but in LG21, where I was Hoid, the most powerful eliminator on an eliminator team. Joe, our wonderful GM, was Preservation, powerful villager in that game. A PM opened between us, and the first thing that Joe said was this:

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Seriously Rae. Are you Hoid? 17th Shard is thw biggest threat to me, so I'm willing to work with you if you are. If not, that's cool to. I'm worki g with the village as well. I'm willing to work with any twam in order to survive.

Here was my response:

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What exactly does Survival do? I'd check the rules, but on mobile, so I'd have to go through every single page...

Notice what's happening here. Joe asked me a simple question -- am I Hoid? -- and I dodged the question. Joe repeatedly accused me of being Hoid, and each time, I didn't respond to his accusations. He told me that I'd just confirmed myself as Hoid or on their team at least three times.

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An interesting thing Eliminators do without noticing it, is that they refuse to outright say they're not an eliminator. I've asked and accused you of being Hoid three times now, and every time, you refused to refute it. You completely dodged the subject. Villagers don't do that. 

At that point, I snapped and claimed Hoid to Joe. You can see the rest of the PM (and many rants about Joe) in the LG21 eliminator doc.

Part Two: Rae and Silverblade's PM

Fast forwards to LG24. At one point, Wilson said that she was suspicious of Silverblade because he was much more active than usual -- he was actually checking on the game and posting in it! She suspected that Silverblade was more active than usual because he was an eliminator, and much more invested in the game than usual.

I PMed Silverblade. We exchanged pleasantries and roleswapped. I told him I was a Beggar, he told me he was a Noble. I asked him to tell me who he was going to put his Noble vote on, to make sure that he was a Noble. He agreed to tell me, and said he wasn't voting on anybody yet.

Silverblade didn't say anything else for the rest of that Cycle.

The next Day, I asked him if he was a non-citizen. He claimed one of the most vanilla roles, he was much more active than usual despite being on vacation, and he'd never responded to confirm that he was voting on this or that person.

Silverblade dodged the subject, the same way I did when Joe asked me if I was Hoid. He said that he didn't say anything because he was passing through a place with no wifi, and was more active now because he was burning through data. He voted on Burnt because someone asked him too and had planned to switch to Aman, but hadn't watched the clock.

Naturally, I was confused. He had enough time before rollover to presumably read a PM and vote on Burnt, but not enough time to tell me that his vote was on Burnt?

Silverblade said that he'd thought the Noble vote was enough. I told him that he had to tell me who he was voting on before rollover, because anybody could claim anything after rollover.

He told me that he trusted me, and asked me who I thought was most suspicious. Then he asked me if I had any Noble claims, because he wanted to coordinate the Noble vote. He also mentioned that he'd vote on Silver Dragon. He said he thought that there were no other Nobles, because why else would the Noble vote end up on someone random like Burnt?

The Noble vote ended up on Maill. Now, either Silverblade had voted on Silver Dragon and was overpowered by other Noble votes (Noble votes that he didn't think existed based on the way they landed on Burnt), he had switched his vote to Maill without telling me (possible, but it seems unlikely that he'd forget two times in a row), or he wasn't a Noble and had no control over the Noble vote at all (in which case he was lying about his role. Not a bad thing by itself, but noteworthy).

I decided to do what Joe had done to me. I asked Silverblade if he was an eliminator, and said that I would be willing to work with him to survive, since the eliminator team was the biggest threat to my survival. I also said that if he wasn't an eliminator, that was also cool.

Silverblade dodged the question. Again. This was the second time that he had dodged the question, something that I had done myself as an eliminator. 

After about four hours, I asked again: did he want to work with me? I had some nice information for him,

He said that he would listen and then decide. Again, he made no mention of the fact that I had called him an eliminator. This, as Joe said, was not something a villager would do.

I told Silverblade that I knew the identity of a village Bodyguard, Legionnaire, and Dula.

He asked me who the Dula was and what my win con was.

I told him that I needed to survive until the end of a game, but as a neutral beggar, I could take the win con of one of his teammates, once they died. I also told him that I would swap his role for the Dula's name and asked if his team had a PM spy.

He said no, but otherwise made no response to my insinuation that he had teammates. This dodging-the-question thing was really suspicious now.

Then he roleclaimed as Noble.

I told him that I meant alignment and win con.

He claimed village. 

Again, I told him that he didn't need to lie.

Silverblade claimed that the lynch would tell. His game goal was to kill the eliminators, but his personal goal was to survive. However, he'd rather survive than kill the eliminators, which doesn't sound like the normal villager's goal.

Again, I accused him of lying.

Silverblade claimed neutral noble.

I pretended to give him the Dula's name, but backed out at the last second and asked for his true win condition, flavor name, and number of teammates.

Silverblade said that his win con was to survive, he was a true neutral, and he didn't know how many teammates he had. Then he changed that number to 2+ teammates.

I said he was lying (surprise, anybody?). Neutrals who wanted to survive (like me) had no need of teammates. They didn't care about Dulas either, since they'd be scanned as not-eliminators. Silverblade had jumped through a lot of hoops in order to get the Dula's name, claiming multiple alignments and win cons over and over and over again. By this point, a normal villager ought to have called out these neverending hoops and/or given up. Silverblade never did that.

He said that he considered all neutrals a team, and wasn't a neutral -- he was actually a village Noble.

I told him that if that was true, he didn't need the Dula's name after all, and could contact Wilson if he wanted to be scanned. I also told him that his village win con was boring and I didn't need to work with him, but left room for him to claim something other than village, if he still wanted.

He said farewell and called me a troll (thanks Silverblade).

Part Three: Conclusion and TL;DR

I find Silverblade's evasion and multiple contradictory claims suspicious. Why would a villager go back and forth between claiming village and neutral? Why wouldn't a villager respond outright with "no, stop pestering me, I am not an eliminator, leave me alone"? I think it is because Silverblade actually is an eliminator, and avoided outright denying he was an eliminator, like I did in LG21 and all the other eliminators that Joe noticed did.

[Elenion he/him]

16 minutes ago, Arraenae said:

I find Silverblade's evasion and multiple contradictory claims suspicious. Why would a villager go back and forth between claiming village and neutral? Why wouldn't a villager respond outright with "no, stop pestering me, I am not an eliminator, leave me alone"? I think it is because Silverblade actually is an eliminator, and avoided outright denying he was an eliminator, like I did in LG21 and all the other eliminators that Joe noticed did.

I haven't ever known a single villager who has confessed to being a non-village alignment, probably because that's the best way to get lynched. I bet Silverblade is Neutral at best, Elim at worst.

But I am pretty sure Silverblade is a Noble. Remember the time that I posted in thread that I knew a Noble and that Silverblade should PM me if he wanted to know who? Well he PMed me, and specified the name of the Noble I knew, without me giving the slightest clue as to who the Noble was. So either Silverblade is in fact a Noble or he's systematically convinced the other nobles that he is one too and hasn't yet messed up a Noble vote.

But I can shed some definite light on why the Nobles voted Maill:

The reason is that I contacted my Noble contact and asked him/her to put the Noble vote on Maill. Said contact has at least two other Noble contacts. My plan was to use my Duke vote and the secret Noble vote to put Maill's total an unexpected amount higher, to ensure I didn't get double-lynched with him. Aman then defended me in-thread, but I was in a class and hit construction on the way home, and so I got back after rollover, too late to tell my Noble contact to scrub that plan. The votes were cast, and even if Silverblade voted in opposition, my contact and his other contact (because I believe Silverblade was one of the two) would have overwhelmed the vote.

TL;DR: We don't know if Silverblade voted Maill or not because a couple of Noble contacts of mine were voting Maill to save me.

[Silverblade5 he/him]

I noble votes Mailliw Didn't mention it earlier because I didn't believe it to be relevant . Voting Rae today . I honestly wouldn't mind being lynched. The hiking part of the tour will end soon, and I'll be leaving on an eight day long cruise 

Edited August 4, 2016 by Silverblade5

[STINK he/him]

Sounds like you've got quite the chain of information there Elenion, how'd you get all these people to claim to you? I'm interested in trying out the same thing.

Oh,'no-one claims non village and lives' is basically what you said right? Hi. I'm non village. Just making sure everyone still knows that, and if you lynch me I'll dig into you and get all your dirt.

[Young Bard he/him]

OK, I've been really busy for the past couple days which is why I didn't really get to post. To make up for that, here's an in depth discussion about each player, and general thoughts (I might make Day/Night 3 a standard time to do this, just because it's when I finally am.

1. Alv (Adonai) - Retired Pirate apparently. Looking at Aman's post about the number of protect roles, I'm fairly certain some of them are probably Eliminators, but it's hard to tell. So, paranoia makes me mark him as a slight distrust, but I really have no idea.
2. Aman (Father Mai) - Strong Village read. He's doing a lot of things I'd expect village!Aman would do, and most people I've spoken to agree with me.
3. Antgrgmn  (   ) - They'll die by inactivity filter this turn. No point even guessing who/what they were (though I'd guess probably village, simply by probability). Shame.
4. Aonar (Aoryn Rasiar) - Too little information to tell. Lopen seems to distrust Aonar due to lurking, so I'd like to hear a bit more from them.
5. Araris (Alaraon) - The bandwagon on them was unusual, and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. It could have been a distancing tactic, or it could have been a bandwagon to prevent the real eliminator being lynched, which was Aonar... but that was only one vote.
6. Arraenae (Anelin) - Claimed Neutral Beggar, with a survive win con. This seems a little easy, particularly since she could essentially make herself immune to the night attacks by becoming a Bodyguard (which there seem to be a lot of this game.) So, I suspect this is a case of a partial truth.
7. Bard (    ) - Villager... Definitely...
8. Burnt Spaghetti (Naara Ghetti) - Made quicklinks - she's obviously an eliminator. Let's lynch her.  (No idea.)
9. Con (Lorien) - No idea. Almost an identical case to Alv's, except without the paranoia.
11. Elbereth (Liadan) - Her camp should be nearly finished now - so we should start seeing more of El soon. While she was on camp, she said she hadn't checked her alignment yet, posted once, saying wouldn't be on again until after her camp. I had half a dozen PM's with her before (I think) she finished her camp. One of the reasons she might have changed her mind is that she's an eliminator and doesn't want to let the team down due to absence... (Though this might be my brain offering an excuse to be bitter after LG23, so I'd like to see/hear a little more to see.)
12. Elenion (Ashkelon) - I'm not going to keep rehashing this if nobody else thinks that he's acting weirdly. Aman's post does explain Len's thought process to a certain extent.
13. Elodin (Lexicon) - Not enough to tell.
14. Emerald (Opa Krieger) - I really think the eliminatory-ness of their posts is overstated. I don't see anything wrong with their posts so far (I can't see what their post with Wilson was like, and I don't know why they wouldn't post their defence in-thread, but that's about the only thing with Emerald that's set alarm bells off in my head.
15. Eolhondras (Eoltias) - Not enough to tell.
16. Jaimie (Janomi) - I've had one PM label them as a distrust and asked me to keep an eye on their posts/PM's. Honestly, I think there's too little to tell. 
17. Kipper (Kipper) - Moderate to heavy distrust. I found I tended to react against his playstyle in MR15, though, so I can't really say if my read is accurate.
18. Lopen (Lopen) - Moderate to strong village read. Lopen and Aman would probably be the two people I trust most in the game right now.
19. Magestar (James Kailin) - Slight gut village read. This is very shaky, though, and I've been to and fro about this for a little while already. 
21. Orlok (Locke) - Not enough to tell.
22. Ren (Renoth) - I'm not sure if I've just imagined it or whether Ren's started posting less since Maill's list, but I was more interested to see Ren's posts after the fact, and was frustrated by how little they posted (though that was more than me, I guess, so I don't blame them if they had RL stuff). If Ren does have a conversion role, then it makes me wonder what their win con would be, seeing as we wouldn't need to kill the converted to win.
23. Sart (   ) - An eliminator, according to Maill's list, but I haven't seen any evidence either way, so I'll say a slight distrust pending some sort of response from @Sart.
24. SD (Fiydir) - Too inactive to tell.
25. Silverblade (Ryth) - A fair amount of new suspicion brought up by Rae. A number of people have commented that they've posted a fair bit more than they usually do. I don't think Rae has a reason to lie about this at this point, particularly since lying would almost certainly get her lynched, so I'm inclined to trust her.
26. STINK (JUMAE) - Stink. Need I say more? (I think he's probably telling the truth about his claim, but that's basically a guess.)
28. Wilson (Original Wilson) - I've heard a couple people say they found here playstyle slightly off, but I couldn't tell anything (but then I probably wouldn't if she was an eliminator until I got a more general idea of what the differences between Village!Wilson and Eliminator!Wilson are.) 

Dead:

10 Ecthelion III (Aeleus): Citizen Noble (via night kill)

20. Maill (Esheo) : Citizen Bodyguard (via lynch)

27. Straw (straw): Citizen Retired Pirate (via night kill)

Regarding Maill's list (and my "Jeskeri" label on it): It's very hard to defend myself when I haven't been given any form of reasoning behind Maill's claim. From Day 1, I suspect it's Maill's gut read on me that he's put me there for, although I have no idea why he called me a "Jeskeri", seeing as we have no idea what the factions are even called yet. The only actual argument I can find is Len talking about me tunnelling on him. The thing is, he fakeclaimed something which I thought Night 1 would be an ideal fakeclaim to make, so I was suspicious of him. I’ve heard a more objective story now from Aman’s post, so I’m less concerned about that, but at the time, I think I was justified in being suspicious.

If there’s anything significant that I’ve missed, do you mind PM’ing me or supplying a quote in thread? I think I’ve covered basically everything I wanted to, but there was a lot to get through.

[Emerald101 he/him]

@Amanuensis

The reason it took me so long to post that I was attacked was because of the timing of rollover and when I've got access to a computer (which varies somewhat day-to-day). I posted that almost as soon as I had gotten on, and finished reading last night's leftovers and the thread so far. I did delay it slightly because I was unsure on if people would believe me.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Just now, Emerald101 said:

 

@Amanuensis

The reason it took me so long to post that I was attacked was because of the timing of rollover and when I've got access to a computer (which varies somewhat day-to-day). I posted that almost as soon as I had gotten on, and finished reading last night's leftovers and the thread so far. I did delay it slightly because I was unsure on if people would believe me.

I understand. Now I'm wondering if it was a ChayShan who attacked you, or a Serial-Killer / second eliminator team with staggered attacks. Apparently a second ChayShan has now claimed to have attacked Straw and Alv, but that their kill on Straw failed because the other ChayShan won the coin toss. If the kill on you was a ChayShan too (assuming the other two aren't lying), then that would mean that the village has three kills, which would mean the eliminators definitely have to have some form of protection, too, if not multiple forms of it. I'd actually reckon there's a Legionnaire among them, now that I think about it. Legionnaire would allow them a lot of strategic options. Arrest one of their teammates who are taking heat at the cost of them not being able to use their ability, or Arrest a villager to try and get information out of them. For a similar reason I'd guess they have a Beggar so that they can choose a role for their team, as well as a vote-manipulator like Merchant, Duke or Noble. Maybe a couple of those or one of each, depending on team size. But that's only if we assume that there's no new abilities introduced into the eliminators team. Speaking of, has anyone seen any hints or evidence of some kind of unknown power? So far, I've seen Nobles, Dukes, Legionnaire's, ChayShan and Pirates confirmed. Only one instance of a Bodyguard claiming to have defended an attack, and a claim that a Dula has scanned Wilson and Magestar. That only leaves zero evidence of Merchants (might be because they're inactive) and Beggars (can't really prove their role unless them taking a power is announced in thread). I'm starting to think that Joe made this a normal eliminator game + Neutrals and was just trying to make us all paranoid about anything extra.

[Guest]

17 hours ago, Elenion said:

Since we had a good response from Araris, I'll clear him. I'll instead vote Kipper, since he's definitely been suspicious of late, as well as being all too eager to ride the bandwagons, in a way that suggests he was trying to get on the wagons early to get himself soft-cleared.

...wait wut

What, exactly, are the multiple bandwagons that I've participated in? D1 I voted for you first. And you didn't die. D2 I voted for Mailliw, as did 18 others. So I'm really not seeing the truth in your argument. And it's the height of hypocrisy for a player who has declared their love of bandwagons publicly to even attempt to use this reasoning.

[Magestar he/him]

12 hours ago, Elenion said:

I haven't ever known a single villager who has confessed to being a non-village alignment, probably because that's the best way to get lynched. I bet Silverblade is Neutral at best, Elim at worst.

Just for the record, I seriously considered doing this to protect myself from Elims.  Admittedly, I am new at this, so my opinion might not be worth much.  

9 hours ago, STINK said:

Sounds like you've got quite the chain of information there Elenion, how'd you get all these people to claim to you? I'm interested in trying out the same thing.

Oh,'no-one claims non village and lives' is basically what you said right? Hi. I'm non village. Just making sure everyone still knows that, and if you lynch me I'll dig into you and get all your dirt.

I agree.  What have you been up to, Elenion?

That's not quite what he said.  In fact, that's pretty much backwards...   Just check it again.  He said that he does not know of a single Villager, who claimed something other than Villager, because that is a bad idea.

42 minutes ago, Amanuensis said:

I'm starting to think that Joe made this a normal eliminator game + Neutrals and was just trying to make us all paranoid about anything extra.

Well, we do have Stink's wacky claim.  But I doubt that there are any unheard of roles.

On the subject of my own thoughts, I have a bad gut read on Bard, that has nothing to do with Maill's list.  I have just felt a little weird about him since D1.  A few other odd things, and a bit of a vague paranoia about Alv that has to do with Echthelion dying after Alv said something in the signups to the effect of 'So, if we kill you we will get a new Character?  Done.'  And a few things that are largely playstyle based, with STINK, Kipper, and Elenion.  I would tell you who I trust, except I don't really trust any of you.  I feel OK about Wilson, Aman, Jaime, and a few others. 

 Also, could we have a vote count?  

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 minute ago, Magestar said:

 

Also, could we have a vote count?  

(1) Aonar Faileas: TheMightyLopen,

(2) Araris Valerian: Amanuensis, jaimeleecee,

(2) Kipper: little wilson, Elenion,

(1) Elbereth: Stink,

(1) Arraenae: Silverblade9,

(1) Silverblade9: Arraenae,

 

Aman's always got tallys ready that being said, I'm getting ready for an afternoon shift right now. When I get settled in at work (if it's not too busy) I'll try to go through everything and see how I feel about Aonar / Kipper / Rae / SB to see if I feel more strongly about any of them than I do Araris. I might get bogged down with getting things ready for the next QF17 turn over so I would really appreciate it if more people would talk, either about the current lynch candidates or why they're suspicious of anyone else. 

[STINK he/him]

Elbereth.

Elenion.

Woops, musta thought that he was in a doc with some peeps. My bad.

[Renegade he/him]

I've been looking at colleges this week, so I haven't really had any time to post. At some point today, I should be able to read through all this and give my thoughts.

[Elenion he/him]

1 hour ago, Magestar said:

I agree.  What have you been up to, Elenion?

I've been focused on QF17, which has turned into an Unknown witch-hunt.

As for my connections, all of that info I've posted was based off of one Noble contact and what he/she told me that his/her Noble contacts were doing.

And as for lynching me: I'm actually good with that, since QF17 is taking much more of my time than anticipated. For that reason I won't defend myself further.

[STINK he/him]

Alright cool we got ourselves a lynch.