Long Game 24: The Godless City

[STINK he/him]

Eh, my vote don't matter.

Elbereth.

[Magestar he/him]

Yeah... I really have almost nothing to say.  I don't really have anything against Emerald.  I'm kind of suspicious of a few people, but do not have enough info to try to lynch them.

I'm going to vote for Emerald, but will retract my vote if their vote tally becomes unbalanced against Mailliw's.

[Sart he/him]

5 hours ago, jaimeleecee said:

Well that was tragic... but given how little information we have not all that surprising.  I am going to go with the Emerald vote, it's mostly gut based off of his posts on D1 (since there was no discussion yesterday at all  ) but if we are shooting for a tie since the Maill lynch is ceremonial I would like to tie it with Emerald. 

Fair well Maill, I've only played a few games with you but they have been interesting and fun and enough to get me hooked, you will be missed! Safe travels and enjoy your time away!

Excuse me? We had the longest Day One thread in SE history, but there was no discussion? That's simply not true. While there was a large amount of banter, the fact is, we had a lot of discussion. Unfortunately, most of this discussion was centered around one person. Which brings me to this post.

11 hours ago, Eolhondras said:

This is off to me. You come across very sure of what the result of Straw's death would be, but had nothing to say before he was lynched. As for Len, yes there was a fair bit of discussion about him yesterday, but basically all of that was over a new player not knowing the meta of SE. Once he proposed his suicide lynch plan for information, it was shot down because not much info could/would be gained by his death. As to the part about reducing eliminators, well that's really just a throw away statement that could be applied to any lynch. 

Basically this looks to me like an attempt to reignite a bandwagon with no new information, and get away with a free lynch. 

I should explain my actions yesterday. My one post in the thread was complete chull dung. The arguments against Elenion were flimsy at best, and didn't have much backing to them. I was honestly more suspicious of Emerald, mostly because he said he was still new at this game, while having "First SE Pinch Hitter" in his member title. Thus, I had no motive to kill Elenion. However, I recognized that most of the discussion was either for or against him. It reminded me of what happened in LG22. I was lynched for no good reason, but I was still an eliminator. So, I took a page out of Mailliw's handbook. I lied to the thread, in order to put more pressure on the eliminators. The reasons for voting for him were bull, but the amount of information we could gain was immense. I hoped that his teammates would form a bandwagon on someone else at the last minute. They did so onto Straw. I didn't say anything to the thread, as that would ruin the purpose of my gambit. Elenion's team would shy away from the bandwagon. I stayed silent. Now that day 1 is over, and Straw is confirmed to be innocent, it's time to find Elenion's alignment. If I'm right, and history is repeating itself, we will have a massive advantage over his team.

[Elenion he/him]

17 minutes ago, Sart said:

Excuse me? We had the longest Day One thread in SE history, but there was no discussion? That's simply not true. While there was a large amount of banter, the fact is, we had a lot of discussion. Unfortunately, most of this discussion was centered around one person. Which brings me to this post.

I should explain my actions yesterday. My one post in the thread was complete chull dung. The arguments against Elenion were flimsy at best, and didn't have much backing to them. I was honestly more suspicious of Emerald, mostly because he said he was still new at this game, while having "First SE Pinch Hitter" in his member title. Thus, I had no motive to kill Elenion. However, I recognized that most of the discussion was either for or against him. It reminded me of what happened in LG22. I was lynched for no good reason, but I was still an eliminator. So, I took a page out of Mailliw's handbook. I lied to the thread, in order to put more pressure on the eliminators. The reasons for voting for him were bull, but the amount of information we could gain was immense. I hoped that his teammates would form a bandwagon on someone else at the last minute. They did so onto Straw. I didn't say anything to the thread, as that would ruin the purpose of my gambit. Elenion's team would shy away from the bandwagon. I stayed silent. Now that day 1 is over, and Straw is confirmed to be innocent, it's time to find Elenion's alignment. If I'm right, and history is repeating itself, we will have a massive advantage over his team.

My team? If you're a villager, you are my team!

 

I propose a familiar-sounding counter-plan. Lynch me, and find I am the Citizen Duke! Then, please kill Sart, because his logic will have you biting at your own tails the entire game.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Elenion

[Magestar he/him]

Elenion role-claimed to a few people that he was duke, told us he would put a Duke vote on Straw, and that happened.  I see no reason to doubt he is duke.  Is he village?  Idk.  You can kill him if you want, I just see no reason to.

 

 

[Emerald101 he/him]

Quick general SE rules question before I set up a post to defend myself. Am I allowed to copy-paste a post from PM to general thread given that I was the one who originally posted it?

 

Edited August 1, 2016 by Emerald101
Capitilization

[STINK he/him]

Pretty sure there's no copy-pasting of any PMs no matter who made them

[Magestar he/him]

I thought it had been done...  But it was when the GM made a mistake and people were comparing PM's to find out what had happened, or something like that.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Magestar

[jaimeleecee she/her]

1 hour ago, Sart said:

Excuse me? We had the longest Day One thread in SE history, but there was no discussion? That's simply not true. While there was a large amount of banter, the fact is, we had a lot of discussion. Unfortunately, most of this discussion was centered around one person. Which brings me to this post.

I said no discussion yesterday.. there was literally no discussion yesterday (as in the night cycle that was technically yesterday) at all. I also said in my follow up post that I formulated my opinion on Emerald on D1.  I had decided I would wait to see and was only going to change my mind if something stood out to me, but there was nothing yesterday. If you read my follow up post which was in response to what Araris said it would have been more clear maybe?

[Arraenae]

Two people died this Night. That means that there are at least two kill roles. I can't shake the feeling that there's a serial killer somewhere in this game.

I heard from someone that there would be an extra vote on Straw and that I should talk to Maill and Len to find more about it. That lends more credence to Len's claim of being a Duke, but doesn't mean he's necessarily a Citizen. I like what Sart did, actually. If it worked to draw out teammates, it's commendable. I think lynching Elenion will give us good information about what happened D1.

[little wilson she/her]

15 minutes ago, Magestar said:

I thought it had been done...  But it was when the GM made a mistake and people were comparing PM's to find out what had happened, or something like that.

That was an aberration and for a very specific set of circumstances that I highly doubt will be repeated. Regardless, it was the GM who posted it. Players are not allowed to c/p from PMs to the thread or other PMs.

[Young Bard he/him]

56 minutes ago, Elenion said:

My team? If you're a villager, you are my team!

 

I propose a familiar-sounding counter-plan. Lynch me, and find I am the Citizen Duke! Then, please kill Sart, because his logic will have you biting at your own tails the entire game.

Sorry, Mailliw.

Elenion. You claimed Pirate to me in PM's, and I told you I was suspicious of that. Now you come out in thread and say you're a Duke. Which raises the question: Why would you fakeclaim a Pirate (which you've now admitted is a false claim). It's exactly the sort of thing that an eliminator would post, because it is both almost impossible to prove, (even before you take secret roles into account) and it also slightly discourages 

And now you claim Duke. I wouldn't be surprised if you actually were a Duke, because of Magestar's post. But that still doesn't prove that you're a Citizen in any way. A Duke would be an incredibly handy role for an Eliminator to have.

Even if he isn't lynched, I strongly suggest he's scanned tonight.

I'm sorry this is so brief, but I have to get out the door, and won't be on until right on rollover or a bit after. Sorry.

[STINK he/him]

Elbereth.

Elenion.

Vote Tally?

[Magestar he/him]

Quick Q;  It was Mailliw who was purportedly organizing the vote thing with Elenion, right?

Edited August 1, 2016 by Magestar

[Amanuensis he/him]

11 minutes ago, STINK said:

Elbereth.

Elenion.

Vote Tally?

Say please next time

(5) Elenion: Sart, Renegade, Arraenae, The Young Bard, Stink,

(4) Mailliw73: Amanuensis, OrlokTsubodai, TheMightyLopen, Kipper,

(4) Emerald101: little wilson, Conquestor, jaimeleecee, Magestar,

(1) Elbereth: Araris Valerian,

[Magestar he/him]

K, I'm switching to Mailliw to help fix the tie we're supposed to have, and to try and prevent a triple lynch, which I am sure is a bad idea.  Unless they are all Elims, and I only am starting to suspect Elenion, although I have thought Mail might have been for a while.   I would not be surprised if he was working with El to try and kill as many people as possible before leaving.   But that does not explain Elenions willingness to be lynched.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Magestar

[STINK he/him]

You guys should be really worried about vote manipulation, btw.

[Emerald101 he/him]

Pre-post book-keeping: I'm sorry I couldn't link to Wilson's posts directly, but I couldn't figure it out and I'm on a time crunch. I'm going to getting off at four, and I won't be able to respond to things or read the thread to after rollover. @Sart I referred to myself as inexperienced because I haven't played in over a year (I think). If anyone else feels their arguments merit a response, I'll have about half an hour to do so before work.

Well, here we go.

Frankly, I'm very scared about the speed at which this lynch-train against me has formed, especially considering most of the votes seem to follow the logic of "Well, Wilson voted or him, and she must have a good reason. I guess I'll vote for him too." Because of that, I'm going to spend most of this post addressing her points.

The first post where she expressed suspicion of me can be found here. Because of the length of the post and the fact that most of it doesn't pertain to me, I'll only quote the relevant portions.

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this doesn't mean that I don't think Emerald has been a little suspicious. On the contrary, I do. I think he's using the idea of getting lurkers and others who haven't posted yet to start posting by pinging them as a way to make it seem like he's useful to the village and therefore must be village. It's something that reminds me distinctly of people who post quick links and only quick links. It looks helpful on the surface, but it's not actually at all.

/snip

Emerald isn't saying much, but he's trying to appear useful by getting others to speak.

I will withhold my vote for now. If I were to vote, however, it would be on Emerald

I would like to point out that this was part of a large essay of a post that was mostly focused on Elenion and his arguments as to why he was innocent. Out of the entirety of the post, I merited slightly more than a single paragraph. She then explains how I was more suspicious than Elenion, and that she would vote for me if anyone. If that was the case, then why would she write such a large post oriented against Elenion? Wouldn't I be the "better" target?

In response, I sent her a PM detailing how I believed that my posts were due more credit than she was giving them, and how she was focused on two posts among a number of other ones. I also reminded her how the posts I had made were consistent with my past behavior and strategy given my strengths and weaknesses. I ended by expressing my frustration with the general situation  - I was doing my best to help the village in the ways I could and was coming under fire for it. This was the phrase "What else can I do" which Wilson mentioned earlier. She responded by saying that she didn't vote for me, and that there was a fair chance she wouldn't vote at all that day. She explained that as the game went on, my motivations would become clearer, and that as long as I helped the village more than the Eliminators, she wouldn't "issue any threats." Well, here we are, one cycle later and the game hasn't really progressed a whole ton. She implied that I would have time for my motivations to become more clear, and yet has given insufficient time for that to occur.

Then this cycle she made these two posts. I'll only quote the second given the lack of relevant information in the first.

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I mentioned being suspicious of Emerald during D1, and while I didn't vote for him, that suspicion grew. Particularly after he shot me a PM detailing exactly how helpful he's been, and why he shouldn't be viewed as suspicious. He then ended it with a question: What else can I do?

To me, this reads exactly like an eliminator who doesn't have much experience being an eliminator panicking about an accusation, so one of their teammates tells them to PM me to explain what they've done and why. Only problem is that a PM like that doesn't lessen my suspicion of a person. While a villager could make a PM like that, an eliminator has far more reason to. Thus, my suspicion of Emerald has merely grown and now I'd like to figure out his alignment through death. I'm almost certain that alignment will be of the red variety

This is the first game I've played in which has free PM's. It did occur to me that I might get this reaction from my PM, but inexperienced as I was, I couldn't be sure. Figuring that I would never learn how to use a PM without trying it out, I went ahead and did it. Clearly, it backfired. I maintain, however, that any Eliminator vibes that come from that PM are purely from inexperience, and not from Alignment. In her post against Elenion Wilson told them that villagers do have the right to defend themselves, and that she has frequently done so "tooth and nail" herself. Yet when I take an opportunity to do so, she becomes more suspicious of me because of it.

tl;dr: Wilson is reading too much into the things I've done.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Emerald101
slight format change, spelling/grammar

[STINK he/him]

I think your biggest mistake was PMing Wilson, your aggressor rather than defending yourself in the thread.

Or you could've PM'd the wisest advisor in this game, STINK

Edited August 1, 2016 by STINK
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[Emerald101 he/him]

I realize that now, but unfortunately there's nothing I can do about it except explain the reasoning behind it, and maintain my innocence.

Edit: I will, of course, give Maill his send-off.

Edited August 1, 2016 by Emerald101

[Elenion he/him]

32 minutes ago, The Young Bard said:

Sorry, Mailliw.

Elenion. You claimed Pirate to me in PM's, and I told you I was suspicious of that. Now you come out in thread and say you're a Duke. Which raises the question: Why would you fakeclaim a Pirate (which you've now admitted is a false claim). It's exactly the sort of thing that an eliminator would post, because it is both almost impossible to prove, (even before you take secret roles into account) and it also slightly discourages 

And now you claim Duke. I wouldn't be surprised if you actually were a Duke, because of Magestar's post. But that still doesn't prove that you're a Citizen in any way. A Duke would be an incredibly handy role for an Eliminator to have.

Even if he isn't lynched, I strongly suggest he's scanned tonight.

I'm sorry this is so brief, but I have to get out the door, and won't be on until right on rollover or a bit after. Sorry.

Apparently Bard didn't read the PM where I explained that I was fake-claiming in order to throw off any elim kills coming for me. The timestamp on the PM I sent him will verify it was before this whole incident.

[STINK he/him]

Speaking of, do I have a PM with you Emerald?

[Elenion he/him]

Since it appears the train may be coming for me tonight, I will prepare a list of the things I know and people whom I suspect to be posted right before turnover. Hopefully it can be of use once I'm proved village.

[STINK he/him]

Alright thanks

[Mailliw73 he/him]

2 hours ago, Sart said:

So, I took a page out of Mailliw's handbook. I lied to the thread, in order to put more pressure on the eliminators. The reasons for voting for him were bull, but the amount of information we could gain was immense. I hoped that his teammates would form a bandwagon on someone else at the last minute. They did so onto Straw. I didn't say anything to the thread, as that would ruin the purpose of my gambit. Elenion's team would shy away from the bandwagon. I stayed silent. Now that day 1 is over, and Straw is confirmed to be innocent, it's time to find Elenion's alignment. If I'm right, and history is repeating itself, we will have a massive advantage over his team.

Aw, I'm so proud  

47 minutes ago, The Young Bard said:

Sorry, Mailliw.

Elenion. You claimed Pirate to me in PM's, and I told you I was suspicious of that. Now you come out in thread and say you're a Duke. Which raises the question: Why would you fakeclaim a Pirate (which you've now admitted is a false claim). It's exactly the sort of thing that an eliminator would post, because it is both almost impossible to prove, (even before you take secret roles into account) and it also slightly discourages 

And now you claim Duke. I wouldn't be surprised if you actually were a Duke, because of Magestar's post. But that still doesn't prove that you're a Citizen in any way. A Duke would be an incredibly handy role for an Eliminator to have.

Even if he isn't lynched, I strongly suggest he's scanned tonight.

I'm sorry this is so brief, but I have to get out the door, and won't be on until right on rollover or a bit after. Sorry.

Len told me his fake claim plan early on in the cycle, saying he didn't trust you. 

42 minutes ago, Magestar said:

Quick Q;  It was Mailliw who was purportedly organizing the vote thing with Elenion, right?

Uh no. I didn't plan anything.