Metacognition he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 There's this bit from Seonid that you seem to be ignoring, El: On meta, I have it on good authority that a night action targeted on him failed N1. A thief taker in my chain of communication found that he performed no actions that night. This could indicate that he was detained. So either you're trying to place blame on both of us and stating that we're working together or you're reaching. Then there's this bit from last turn that caught my attention from you: Meta, I don't currently have any better suspicions than you, no. And that's certainly a fair point against me. It's also something you could bring against me in practically every game I've played so far. And yet you were so sure of me in MR12. So it seems that you're not as uncertain in games as you want us to believe and you've seemed a lot more sure of yourself in other games. This is just one of the things that makes me feel off about you. Aman spelled out a lot more. I think you might be Fain. Obviously not a Darkfriend, as you helped lynch one of them and I don't deny that. But, killing Darkfriends is something you'd want to do as well since they stand in your way to victory as much as the Village does. Does this make you Fain? Of course not. But I still plan on keeping an eye on you at the moment.
AliasSheep Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 *Sighs* First, Fain, you're fully welcome to convert me. You'd get yourself a whitecloak. It would be wonderful. Problem being of course is now that I've pointed that out (and let's be honest, everyone was thinking this anyway), it would be quite risky for you to do so. Don't take Straw though. I'm keeping an eye on him Yes, I'm a whitecloak. I was also the person to detain Elodin night one. Unfortunately, he wasn't Fain. Oh well. I haven't Detained anyone else since. Storms, this game is turning into another LG20 for me. There's too much for me to read, and I'm struggling a lot at forming an opinion on anyone. Also, I'm now on a school residential, so I'm gonna have even less time for reading through. Just so you know. 1
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 The Only Joe trolled everyone in LG14 by making all the lifeless commanders village - the village went and lynched them all. I think Joe was very happy with himself. (If you wanted another example, that is) Edit: (Maybe I should refresh the page before posting...) ...It's important to me that I clarify this. I was not lynched by the village in that game. It was by 2 eliminators and Survival. No villagers involved(they tried to save me, sorta). People always use that game as an example, but really, only PK's lynch had any meta reasoning behind it in that game. So despite the meta working against me, I was still able to mostly gain the village players' trust.
Bugsy he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Hey everyone! Sorry I didn't post last night, I didn't trust myself to be coherent My only real suspicion right now is Seodin, based on mainly gut and some circumstantial evidence mentioned by El earlier. Oh, and perhaps he was so confident about Meta being detained because Gunshy detained him C1 and just wants us to believe he has a their taker in communication with him? (Insert ninja emoticon that I don't know the code for) Not sure how likely this is, but figured I could share the thought. Edited June 12, 2016 by Bugsy6912
Straw he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Great! We now know that Elodin is not Fain and there is at least 2 whitecloaks remaining.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Re: Whitecloaks. I was Detained on Night 1. Only reason I didn't reveal that during Day 2 was that Gamma never told me I was Detained. A contact of the Whitecloak told me I had been Detained and asked me why I hadn't revealed that with all the talk of Detainment and stuff and so I asked Gamma about it and he told me that I was indeed Detained on Night 1. I wasn't gonna tell anyone about this right away because I didn't want to be confirmed not Fain/Corrupted and then make myself more of a target, but I think it's relevant enough that I should share it at this point.
AliasSheep Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Well that's interesting. Someone has messaged me asking to be Detained. They think they're going to be corrupted. I'm still debating whether or not to do so. In other news, is there anyone that seems a likely Wolfbrother target? Oh, and to said person, I can't protect you from anything tonight. I didn't put a detain in last turn. Oops.
STINK he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Yo there's no point in doing the whole 'Oh and Fain will corrupt me but now he won't etc' cause that is so something that a corrupted person would say and is pointless. I'm onto you, whoever said it first and second and so on. 1
jaimeleecee she/her Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 I see I have a lot of catching up to do.. This is definitely not what I was expecting to see when I last checked the thread at noon yesterday (EST) Another unfortunate loss for us, I guess we couldn't keep getting as lucky as the first two days >.>
Elbereth she/her Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 There's this bit from Seonid that you seem to be ignoring, El: So either you're trying to place blame on both of us and stating that we're working together or you're reaching. How does that prove anything about you being a Darkfriend? It proves that you're not Fain, yes, because someone was corrupted that night. It says nothing about you being a Darkfriend, that I can think of. Maybe I'm missing something? It would've shown the same result had you been Detained or a Dreamwalker or taken no action or a self-targeting action. So you didn't successfully make the eliminator kill. But then, no one did, since there wasn't a successful eliminator kill. (Although, even if you are an eliminator, picking you of all people to make the eliminator kill N1? Fairly sure that wouldn't happen anyway.) Then there's this bit from last turn that caught my attention from you: And yet you were so sure of me in MR12. So it seems that you're not as uncertain in games as you want us to believe and you've seemed a lot more sure of yourself in other games. This is just one of the things that makes me feel off about you. Aman spelled out a lot more. I think you might be Fain. Obviously not a Darkfriend, as you helped lynch one of them and I don't deny that. But, killing Darkfriends is something you'd want to do as well since they stand in your way to victory as much as the Village does. Does this make you Fain? Of course not. But I still plan on keeping an eye on you at the moment. Um... I was sure of your innocence in MR12. That's a bit different than having few suspicions. Which I did, in that game. In fact, I just went through the thread, and unless I was suspicious of anyone before page ten (which I seriously doubt), I voiced exactly zero suspicions in thread. (I did voice two slight suspicions in our PM together. Both based on you being innocent... >.<) *Sighs* First, Fain, you're fully welcome to convert me. You'd get yourself a whitecloak. It would be wonderful. Problem being of course is now that I've pointed that out (and let's be honest, everyone was thinking this anyway), it would be quite risky for you to do so. Don't take Straw though. I'm keeping an eye on him Yes, I'm a whitecloak. I was also the person to detain Elodin night one. Unfortunately, he wasn't Fain. Oh well. I haven't Detained anyone else since. Storms, this game is turning into another LG20 for me. There's too much for me to read, and I'm struggling a lot at forming an opinion on anyone. Also, I'm now on a school residential, so I'm gonna have even less time for reading through. Just so you know. You detained Elodin. Well. There goes that. And since I've been told that Lopen was detained by the other village Whitecloak (whoever detained Jaime last night), that means we have no idea who Gunshy detained N1. That's not very helpful. It's possible he didn't detain anyone because of his computer problems. No way of knowing that, though. Also, I would recommend that you keep detaining, Sheep. Detaining people nets us a fair amount of information (as you can see from the amount of discussion we've had centered around it), and there's no use in not using your power.
AliasSheep Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Yo there's no point in doing the whole 'Oh and Fain will corrupt me but now he won't etc' cause that is so something that a corrupted person would say and is pointless. I'm onto you, whoever said it first and second and so on. I'd like to point out that I was scanned a village last day, and so if corrupted, would be corrupted this night, thus I can't be saying it as a corrupted.
STINK he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Yeah but other people have been trying to do IKYKs with the Fain and you just reminded me of it also I think now would be the time for Straw to be killed and see if he isn't lying. After all, he does seem to be under the radar right now, also Sheep is using it as a defence (obviously) so thats just a thought.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 I don't know. I think Straw is more than likely village(and if he was at the start, I think he still would be), so I don't want to kill him just yet. Maybe next Night Turn?
Metacognition he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 I'd like at least one more of Straw's viewings before we kill him. So far, we only have one successful reading from him. If he is a Village Viewer, then the more people he can confirm, the better. It does concern me that the Darkfriends haven't gone after him yet though. You'd think that an outed Viewer would be a prime target for them. Then again, they tried to kill me and then killed Wilson, so maybe they just haven't gotten around to it yet. If we give him a few more cycles to scan people, the Darkfriends will have to decide whether or not it's worth it to them to kill him when we're planning to do so at some point anyways.
STINK he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Yo peeps Mailliw is like the person that I would say is evil the most by far. Just FYI, cause he's doing dodgy things in my PM with him. I can explain more when I can vote for him and lynch him tomorrow.
Mailliw73 he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Yo peeps Mailliw is like the person that I would say is evil the most by far. Just FYI, cause he's doing dodgy things in my PM with him. I can explain more when I can vote for him and lynch him tomorrow. I'm not role claiming to him, he means.
STINK he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Doesn't roleclaim, fair enough. 'Chain of information' shenanigans, bit weird. Oh, also makes you the centre of village stuff, huh, nifty that. Probably more, but at least when some people bother to not roleclaim but take roles they try and excuse it. That's meta or something, so I don't like it but its still meta.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 I'm actually fairly trusting of Mailliw, for both in game and meta reasons. Straw, who are you scanning tonight?
STINK he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 I'll admit that I have a bias against people not role claiming, after all there isn't really a reason to hide it if you've claimed to a certain number of people (as only one of them needs to be evil for like 4 other people to know it, and that's if they haven't already guessed it from stuff said etc). And if Mailliw hasn't claimed to anyone whatsoever, then it'll be really annoying with his whole 'chain of information' (which obviously suggests that many people have trusted him etc) that both gives an incentive for him to be protected and given more information (similar to when a trust group starts, which I hate). Also when one of the reasons is stuff like 'but the Fain!' (who is basically the bogeyman at this point), it just rubs me the wrong way I guess.
Straw he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Straw, who are you scanning tonight?As usual I am scanning people who I think might be corrupted/Padan Fain.Edit: My corrupted suspicion list. 1. Meta: Meta is a good target for corruption. He is trusted, experienced, and a master of Sanderson elimination. 2. Elbereth: Elbereth already proved her skill in corruption in the last QF. This and her skill, playstyle, and place as a trusted player has made her a excellent target for corruption. 3. jaime: Jaime is a new player and that makes it easy for her to trick villagers. Any slip ups will be considered as inexperience. She is just active enough to be able to influence the game but not active enough to warrant major suspicion. 4. Lopen: Lopen is a experienced, skillful, and trusted player. While not the most suspicious, he does deserve to be watched closely. 5. STINK: Stink is often random but nonetheless skillful. His playstyle allows him to slip suspicions into the heart of the village. Edited June 12, 2016 by Straw 1
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Meta can't be fain. I redirected him last night. Nor can he be corrupted, because of his escapes in the Dreamrealm.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Joe, there was no corruption last night. If you redirected Meta, and he was Fain but didn't send in an order, then I assume nothing would have happened. However, I doubt that Fain would also be a dreamwalker. While it could be possible, I doubt Fain has any role.
STINK he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 5. STINK: Stink is often random but nonetheless skillful. His playstyle allows him to slip suspicions into the heart of the village. Ah thanks Yeah guys we shouldn't kill straw I think he makes great points that more people need to listen to
Straw he/him Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Sarcasm, fact, or randomness? You decide. Elbereth, what do you think of my list? Edited June 12, 2016 by Straw
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