Mid-Range Game 9: The Steel Ministry

[RippleGylf she/her]

Orlok, you are basing your argument on a typo? In this case, I just got the terms confused. That might be because typically, the Inquisitors are the bad guys, not the skaa. Despite referring to it as a "serious analysis," it seems like weak logic. As far as subconscious decisions go, I was really suspicious of you and Hero in QF10, mostly because I associated you with eliminators based on MR8. Is this what's going on here? Accusing you for your quick accusation of me, flawed logic, and overall suspicion. You were just ready to pounce on that mistake.

 

Also to Stink, I'm a her, thank you very much.

Edited October 21, 2015 by RippleGylf

[Clanky he/him]

Yeah, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that his reasons later for coming up with the plan have the possibility of being retroactive. Like, "Oh, they realized that the plan was bad, so I'll just say I misread the rules and didn't reveal my entire plan." I realize that the original post was ostensibly not his whole plan. I'm just throwing out possibilities; not really something to argue about.

 

Ok that makes sense, I was just confused by what you meant. I have thought about the possibility that the whole plan was just to get us to waste some lurchers and then reveal next cycle that his plan couldn't work because he misread the rules. Potentially he had to reveal it now because of the amount of disagreement it was met with and he figured it may get him lynched if he followed through with it originally. My main reason for this would be that if I came up with a plan and received negative feedback I would be sure to check the rules immediately to ensure that the plan actually worked.

 

Joe what rule were you looking back in the OP for when you found your mistake?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Wyrm, the PoJ is shorthand for Prophecy of Joe. In lg14 I made a comment that mailliw and alv would both be coinshots and kill eachother next scadrial game. They spent a page discussing it in our PM.

@clanky, I wanted to know if bronze only saw one person like tin did, or all persons.

[RippleGylf she/her]

Could we get a vote tally, please?

[Orlok Tsubodai]

Orlok, you are basing your argument on a typo? In this case, I just got the terms confused. That might be because typically, the Inquisitors are the bad guys, not the skaa. Despite referring to it as a "serious analysis," it seems like weak logic. As far as subconscious decisions go, I was really suspicious of you and Hero in QF10, mostly because I associated you with eliminators based on MR8. Is this what's going on here?

 

Also to Stink, I'm a her, thank you very much.

Ripple, firstly, I did not claim it to be 'serious analysis.' I said 'instead of a vote based on serious thread analysis'.

Yes. I am voting based on a typo, for now. That typo is more likely to occur, in my view, as an eliminator with the mental model of the Skaa being the side you support.

I made no subconscious decision; I think you have misconstrued what I am saying. I am questioning whether confusing the two is a subconscious action due to the above suspicion. I then linked this to a previous case, where a similar event had occurred in my own experience.

[RippleGylf she/her]

Okay then. But could this subconscious mistake be because in the Mistborn books the skaa are portrayed as good, rather than me actually being a skaa in this game? In most other games, I think you would be right, as typically the eliminators are Sadeas' conspirators or other typcial bad guy in the books. However, this game the eliminators are the ones characterized as the good guys. That alone alters the way one sees this game. If the enemy were the inquisitors, I think you would be right, but they're not.

Edited October 20, 2015 by RippleGylf

[Clanky he/him]

Ok, I have been spending all my analysis on things surrounding Joes plan and I feel like I should take more time to look at some other things:

 

@Orlok/Ripple: While I'm not arguing Orloks logic I will say that I do have a harder time with mixing up eliminator/villager name designations when the Book good guys are the eliminators.

 

I will finally be putting a vote down on Sart. All your posts have just been about getting new players into the game. That is not a bad thing but I can't see how anything you did actually helped to get them participating. Also you started that right at the beginning of the game before most people had posted.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Okay then. But could this subconscious mistake be because in the Mistborn books the skaa are portrayed as good, rather than me actually being a skaa in this game? In most other games, I think you would be right, as typically the eliminators are Sadeas' conspirators or other typcial bad guy in the books. However, this game the eliminators are the ones characterized as the good guys. That alone alters the way one sees this game. If the enemy were the inquisitors, I think you would be right, but they're not.

In LG7, the Skaa were technically Eliminators, but were called "good" and written in green in the writeups. Being a skaa then, I never referred to us as Team Evil or anything like that OoC, but in all my RP, I made sure my character hated skaa. It was an attempt to trick people's subconscious. So I see where Kipper is coming from, but I don't think that deserves a vote yet.

Wyrm, Joe explained the prophecy. I was hoping to keep it a secret from future GMs, so as not to bias role distribution, but there it is. It isn't coming true on my end, and Alv has declined to comment.

Edit: forgot to include player analyses. Here you go:

Deathclutch and Meandbooks have both neglected to post. So no comments there.

Zephrer doesn't seem one way or another to me, he's hardly said much.

I've explained my thoughts on Joe.

Shallan and Sart, I have no opinion on.

Clanky, I'm not particularly sold on his innocence, but if I had to pick, I'd say he's good.

Kipper, I have a hard time reading. Gut says he could be evil, but that's usually what I think for no reason. So I'd lean that way on him.

Phat, Kas, and Alfa, not much to say here either, though I think Kas to be good.

Nico, I'd lean towards good on.

Polkinghorn, nothing.

Lopen, hmm, just went back and checked his posts. He might be the most suspicious to me, actually. What he says about the skaa almost seems like he knows stuff but is pretending he doesn't.

Honey, also a bit of a bad feeling, but nothing go back it up.

Creccio, seems helpful, but is new, so I have nothing to go off of previously. Id say good.

Alv, Quiet again. I always want to kill him because he's storming good, but that's it.

Araris, nothing.

Winter, I go back and forth on her. I have a bit of a hard time reading her as well.

Orlok, I want to say is leaning towards the evil side, but at the same time, I think he's good.

Venture, no comments.

Ripple, Orlok does bring up the subliminal message, but that's not enough for me yet.

Vom, always very analytical, regardless of alignment, but I'd lean towards a townread on him.

Stink, always tough to read

Wyrm, finally, I think you're good, but that doesn't mean much.

Those are my thoughts, but excepting Joe, I've never been great at reading people in the thread.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Mailliw73

[RippleGylf she/her]

In LG7, the Skaa were technically Eliminators, but were called "good" and written in green in the writeups. Being a skaa then, I never referred to us as Team Evil or anything like that OoC, but in all my RP, I made sure my character hated skaa. It was an attempt to trick people's subconscious. So I see where Kipper is coming from, but I don't think that deserves a vote yet.

Wyrm, Joe explained the prophecy. I was hoping to keep it a secret from future GMs, so as not to bias role distribution, but there it is. It isn't coming true on my end, and Alv has declined to comment.

Edit: forgot to include player analyses. Here you go:

Deathclutch and Meandbooks have both neglected to post. So no comments there.

Zephrer doesn't seem one way or another to me, he's hardly said much.

I've explained my thoughts on Joe.

Shallan and Sart, I have no opinion on.

Clanky, I'm not particularly sold on his innocence, but if I had to pick, I'd say he's good.

Kipper, I have a hard time reading. Gut says he could be evil, but that's usually what I think for no reason. So I'd lean that way on him.

Phat, Kas, and Alfa, not much to say here either, though I think Kas to be good.

Nico, I'd lean towards good on.

Polkinghorn, nothing.

Lopen, hmm, just went back and checked his posts. He might be the most suspicious to me, actually. What he says about the skaa almost seems like he knows stuff but is pretending he doesn't.

Honey, also a bit of a bad feeling, but nothing go back it up.

Creccio, seems helpful, but is new, so I have nothing to go off of previously. Id say good.

Alv, Quiet again. I always want to kill him because he's storming good, but that's it.

Araris, nothing.

Winter, I go back and forth on her. I have a bit of a hard time reading her as well.

Orlok, I want to say is leaning towards the evil side, but at the same time, I think he's good.

Venture, no comments.

Ripple, Kipper does bring up the subliminal message, but that's not enough for me yet.

Vom, always very analytical, regardless of alignment, but I'd lean towards a townread on him.

Stink, always tough to read

Wyrm, finally, I think you're good, but that doesn't mean much.

Those are my thoughts, but excepting Joe, I've never been great at reading people in the thread.

 

Actually, Orlok is the one who brought up the message, not Kipper.

[Sart he/him]

Ok, I have been spending all my analysis on things surrounding Joes plan and I feel like I should take more time to look at some other things:

 

@Orlok/Ripple: While I'm not arguing Orloks logic I will say that I do have a harder time with mixing up eliminator/villager name designations when the Book good guys are the eliminators.

 

I will finally be putting a vote down on Sart. All your posts have just been about getting new players into the game. That is not a bad thing but I can't see how anything you did actually helped to get them participating. Also you started that right at the beginning of the game before most people had posted.

 

Seriously? Look there's no way I can actually force someone to participate. The purpose of a poke-vote is to encourage a person to post to the thread. Since I can't be on here 24-7, and I noticed that Meandbooks was in a timezone different than mine, I voted for him. I've seen that he's been visiting the forum, so there is no reason for him to be so quiet. I want to make sure that he's paying attention to the thread, and the easiest way for him to show that is by posting. Considering that he has been spotted on the forums, I'm tempted to keep my vote on him. I don't understand your reasoning.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Actually, Orlok is the one who brought up the message, not Kipper.

Huh. That he was. I don't know how that happened. I'll fix that.

[Alvron]

Alv, Quiet again. I always want to kill him because he's storming good, but that's it.

I wouldn't say I'm quiet.  I've already voted this cycle and even said I thought Joe was planning a sacrifice play and was going to call him on it if he kept up with his plan.

 

And because someone asked and I need more to fill out this post...

Vote Tally:

Venture (0) : Wyrm

Meandbooks (1) : Sart

Wyrm 0() : Kipper, Orlok

Sart (2) : Joe, Clanky

Orlok (1) : Adavantos, Wyrm, Ripple

Alfa (0) : Adavantos

Alv (0) : Maill

Lopen (1) : Araris, Maill

Phatt (2) : Alfa, Stink

Ripple (2) : Alv, Orlok

Deathclutch (1) : Lopen

Maill (2) : Kas, Wyrm

Stink (0) : Wyrm

 

I think I got everything.

 

Edit: Updated with Maills new vote.

Edited October 20, 2015 by Alvron

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Whoops, meant to throw my vote on Lopen. Alv.

[Clanky he/him]

Seriously? Look there's no way I can actually force someone to participate. The purpose of a poke-vote is to encourage a person to post to the thread. Since I can't be on here 24-7, and I noticed that Meandbooks was in a timezone different than mine, I voted for him. I've seen that he's been visiting the forum, so there is no reason for him to be so quiet. I want to make sure that he's paying attention to the thread, and the easiest way for him to show that is by posting. Considering that he has been spotted on the forums, I'm tempted to keep my vote on him. I don't understand your reasoning.

 

I know that there's no way for you to get them to participate which is why I think that more analysis is what really dictates activity. What I was trying to get at was that it's not a bad thing that you try to get people to be active but there isn't really anything you can do besides the poke votes. Also when you start that early with it it seems like it could just be to stay active when you aren't actually adding any content.

[STINK he/him]

I was unaware that I was the second vote for phattemer. Consider it remedied,  but what else would be useful in vote tallies would be how long certain votes have been on certain people, so thats more for you information-loving people .

[RippleGylf she/her]

Alvron, you still haven't provided any reasoning behind your vote on me, aside from a gut feeling. Care to elaborate?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Hmm, according to Gambler's Fallacy, Mailliw should be a eliminator this game. The temptation to lynch him is high. . .

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Because I was last game?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

No, we've been on the same team 11 times, and opposite teams 10 times. So illogically, we should be on enemy sides again this game.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Ah, got it. Makes sense, obviously.

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I am going to place a vote on Meandbooks. From what I can tell he/she still hasn't posted despite having been online during the time of cycle 1. That seems like reason enough for me to place a vote. I'll check back in around 3 hours and if there still hasn't been a post then my vote will stay.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

What fun is there in making sense?

[Alvron]

Alvron, you still haven't provided any reasoning behind your vote on me, aside from a gut feeling. Care to elaborate?

No.  I said it was a gut feeling and that's what it was.  If I had another reason for voting then I would've said so when I voted.

 

No, we've been on the same team 11 times, and opposite teams 10 times. So illogically, we should be on enemy sides again this game.

So by that illogic, does that mean if Maill is good then you're evil and should be killed the next chance we get?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Of course not. You obviously don't understand how illogic works. If he's good, it means I'm the GM.

[Shallan she/her]

Well, I just read through the whole thread, and I must say, this is one of the most talkative and the most confusing first-day threads I have ever seen. So Joe had a plan, and then the plan turned out to be a mistake from the start, and besides that, new people are supposed to post, and also the Contribution Crusade is up and running(kind of). I must say, I am a bit surprised that I was never mentioned (hmph)even though I haven't said anything yet. That could be an attempt by Eliminators to push suspicion onto their teammates to ultimately make them seem trustworthy. Or it could be nothing.