Mid-Range Game 9: The Steel Ministry

[Curious Anamaximder he/him]

Hey guys, I am on mobile. Can I make my text red?

[Guest]

Before I start spouting non-sense, can someone give me a tl;dr of Mail's action on LG14? I saw them on here and I was wondering if someone could let me in?

Basically, he manipulated a ton of people into giving him their roles, and generally played an excellent game as Survival. Sorta-kinda half teamed up with the OCs, right?

 

Anyway, he narrowly avoided a village kill on him, as quite a few village members were mad about his playstyle, calling it bullying, etc. I thought it worked.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Hey guys, I am on mobile. Can I make my text red?

If you type [&color=red]Vote[&/color] without the ampersands (&), that'll color it.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Haelbarde

[Clanky he/him]

My laptop broke last night so I will have to be playing on mobile for the forseable future. I will probably be posting less because of that sorry.

@Kas first things first , what is wrong with placing a second vote on somebody? There can be no lynch or even a real threat of lynch without multiple votes.

Onto maills death I may be putting too much emphasis on it sure but I just think it's an odd choice. If you actually read my first post about it I say that the skaa may have been trying to put suspicion on you , wyrm and Joe because none of you are actually skaa.

Edit. I was also not trying to turn it into the mystery of the (cycle sorry if that happened) and had stopped talking about it after getting Joe's opinion on it.

Edited October 22, 2015 by Clanky

[The Honey Badger he/him]

Hey guys, I've been keeping up with the thread. I'll try to post regularly twice a day, so expect another post this afternoon. And I think the Meandbooks is a little suspicious, but we'll need some more evidence/ discussion before embarking on a lynch. I'm suspicious of IruleSTINK right now because he said twice, in short posts how he didn't like the level of discussion going on, or what was being said. Yet he didn't do anything to change that. He just placed a vote on someone else to get discussion from them, why don't you start the discussion IruleSTINK. 

 

I've done this at places, so I'm not innocent in this regard. But it is suspicious to try to get people to talk without doing anything yourself. And I read into it as trying to look like your contributing when your not. 

Edited October 22, 2015 by The Honey Badger

[STINK he/him]

Why did I vote for someone? Because the current discussion as I stated in my previous post was about either Ripple and Maillw, both of which were topics that wasn't giving us much, though now that Wyrm has said something I think I'll place a vote on Kipper. (so much green!)

 

If anyone has anything else to suggest we talk about, then go ahead but I'm not a player that can write pages about what this person did and why or what should be done, and without PMs votes are a great way to make people talk. 

Edited October 22, 2015 by IrulelikeSTINK

[Creccio he/him]

Here is a little list of players in both LG14 and MR9

 

• Stink
• Araris
• Alvom/Adavantos
• Shallan
• Phatt
• Kipper
• Winter
• Alvrom
• Clanky
• Nico
• Orlok
• Badger
• Lopen
• Joe
• Alvrom

Of these players, I am more concerned about:

 

• Stink: Encourages discussion yet it seems he only pokes with votes around... Do  you have any plan or any suspicion as of now? Voting for people just because they haven't said a thing is, as said before, a really non-committal way to "contribute" and get away with being Skaa

 

• Adavantos: Really active on page one of this cycle but he has said nothing out of the analysis he is making. It would be beneficial for everyone to know what you think went down that day and compare your analysis with that of other experienced players

 

• Kipper: Talked about Mail's death and it being the best way to create confusion. Also explained it to be the best way for people to "skate" by and put suspicion onto others. What if... you are a Skaa explaining the plan just so it does not cross our minds? Kill Mail, someone experienced should have done it, im clean for a cycle or two.

 

• Orlok: Created the bandwagon and jumped off it. Kek. You didn't think it would become a bandwagon? You put a vote on someone and did expect them to fully die? Maybe you went off the wagon because enough good guys were on it and it was going to reach Lynch City without Skaa help.

 

• Joe: Moderated the last game if im correct. He knows how the Shenanigans went and how it worked. Even if we pin him as team good and he came out clean saying he is a Tin, who is to say that the Skaa aren't all burning tin out of their minds? Literally he could be even lying about being visited and we wouldnt know it.

 

• Lopen: I just have a gut feeling about you. I dont know, lol, anyway, you are here

 

And last but not least, Alvron, I know you are busy with life (Who isnt?) but i do want to hear your opinion on my opinions and why we should not be suspicious of you. You are a really analytical player and, well, there is no analysis.... can we get some so Team Good can compare and contrast ideas and maybe get somewhere?

 

EDIIT: Bolded Names

EDIT: Misspelled a name, KEK

Edited October 22, 2015 by Creccio

[Orlok Tsubodai]

 

• Orlok: Created the bandwagon and jumped off it. Kek. You didn't think it would become a bandwagon? You put a vote on someone and did expect them to fully die? Maybe you went off the wagon because enough good guys were on it and it was going to reach Lynch City without Skaa help.

 

I certainly did not intend them to face a bandwagon. And jumping off it was far higher profile than staying on - why on earth would I want to attract attention like that, as a skaa?

 

It was an interesting occurrence, and one many would likely not have noticed had I not brought it up, and voting on those grounds was the most effective way of doing so. I was clearly over reading it, unfortunately.

As to why I jumped off it, having slept, I thought further on it and didn't think it warranted dying, and had seen how distressed Ripple had got, and frankly, did not think lynching her, even if I was slightly suspicious, was worth driving her from the game.

[Creccio he/him]

@Orlok

 

It comes up at the end of vote tally who voted for who, someone should have noticed.

 

Now, for you on this game where almost no information is given, what warrants a death? Should the Skaa come out guns blazing and we lynch them? 

 

Tell me on what grounds do you believe lynching is the right thing to do

 

 

Edit: Bolded names again >_>

Edited October 22, 2015 by Creccio

[Guest]

Here is a little list of players in both LG14 and MR9

• Kipper: Talked about Mail's death and it being the best way to create confusion. Also explained it to be the best way for people to "skate" by and put suspicion onto others. What if... you are a Skaa explaining the plan just so it does not cross our minds? Kill Mail, someone experienced should have done it, im clean for a cycle or two.

 

And last but not least, Alvrom, 

I wondered when I would draw fire for that post. You've put me in the interesting position of not being able to come up with a real denial, one that looks good, because of course, anything I say in defense of myself could be an I Know You Know. Thus, there's not much I feel is necessary to say, or really anything that will make a difference to this particular suspicion. Multiple other people have said that we shouldn't focus on Mailliw's death, and I do believe that that sentiment is rather objective. I was just the most pedantic and honest in my analysis of it. Interestingly enough, I originally had in my draft of the post a parenthetical that said in part, "(read what you want out of this post)," but I removed it because I don't believe that intentionally giving oneself suspicion is a beneficial thing to do.

 

Also, because this is done over and over again...

The player that you are referring to as Alvrom is actually named Alvron, with an "N" on the end of the word.

The other player, Adavantos, was formerly known as Alvom, with no "R" and an "M." Personally, I'm quite glad he changed his name, because it was quite annoying to read people's posts and be all like, "Who the rusts is Alvon?"

[Creccio he/him]

Typos! I shall smite thee out of this forum!

 

I have to go to class now, will reply to you later Kipper

[Orlok Tsubodai]

@Orlok

 

It comes up at the end of vote tally who voted for who, someone should have noticed.

 

Now, for you on this game where almost no information is given, what warrants a death? Should the Skaa come out guns blazing and we lynch them? 

 

Tell me on what grounds do you believe lynching is the right thing to do

 

 

Edit: Bolded names again >_>

 

Creccio,

 

Many things warrant a lynch. The information we can gain on voting patterns, things not adding up, and yes, intuition.

I do not believe that when someone is actively upset by what has occurred, we should prioritise lynching them over ensuring our community continues to be a welcoming place. Now, I may have drawn the line at the wrong place, or overestimated how upset Ripple was, but I am confident that I was right to have withdrawn the vote, regardless of her alignment.

 

Lynching Joe, a player fully capable of defending himself, with 25 games of experience, for the information his alignment would give, does, perhaps warrant a lynch. I haven't yet decided my position on it. 

[Guest]

 

 

• Stink: Encourages discussion yet it seems he only pokes with votes around... Do  you have any plan or any suspicion as of now? Voting for people just because they haven't said a thing is, as said before, a really non-committal way to "contribute" and get away with being Skaa

 

And because I forgot to say this, Stink really is being consistent with himself. He does start discussions, even while sometimes not taking part in them.

Does anyone read white text these days? If so, reply in your next post, and we can have a conversation.

I feel like I should say more, but that's it...see LG14 if you don't believe me.

[Alfa he/him]

Ruin, I start to remember how I hate this feeling of paranoia in all those games.

I do, but psshht!

And I am absolutely uncertain. I can bring reasons to vote for almost everybody including myself, but nothing to work with.

I am almost sure that Adavantos is not a Skaa...

Orlok iniciated the Riplle-kill and this vote withdrawal makes him a little bit suspicious. Joe's plan could have been a plan to vaste resources, but the mention of it not to work makes him less suspicious (probably fewer metals burned) , which makes him more suspicious, which makes him less suspicious and so on.
Meandbooks story is understandable, but makes me also suspect him... basically I am suspecting everybody.

More text in white.

Okay. Now let's see... Creccio, you were very active and involved in the Ripple-kill. Now explain me, why I shall not suspect you.

[STINK he/him]

Kipper is indeed contributing, and also semi-defending me! Good news for all! 

 

Creccio, if what I am doing seems to be what a Skaa would do, then (instead of asking about Ripple) tell me what all Inquisitors should be doing this game to make catching the eliminators easier, if it is not discussion, then please tell the general public.

 

Also, just analyzing those who played LG14 is an easy way to ignore Skaa.

Edited October 22, 2015 by IrulelikeSTINK

[Creccio he/him]

@Alfa

 

You can be suspicious of me. You are allowed to. I do not have anything to hide.

 

Things is, I have been trying to make discussions happen, some of us here have not been even doing that. Why prosecute the one who is trying to shed some light into the game instead of those who just lurk in the darkness?

 

Prosecute the one who brought up the list of the past game player and is trying to make everyone collaborate and find who is more likely to be afraid of Mail. I don't  know anything about Mail, or about any of you to be exact. 

 

I will say to you what I said to Kasimir earlier, right now i believe we are on the same team, stop trying to poke me and lets investigate the real murderers.

 

@Kipper

 

Funny how i made you be in an uncomfortable spot, not my plan, we need to all be friends right ?

 

Tell me why we should not. Its the only thing we have to go off and writing it off is like writing off everything we have. Ripple's death did give us information on who is OK with killing early, who is OK jumping off bandwagons, who is OK just poking votes and we also noticed who is THE TRUE HOLDER OF THE DEATH NOTE.

 

Mail's death gives us 2 things, RIP ZINC and someone feared him. Someone (5 times, aka i believe again, 5 Skaa), wanted him out of this game, most likely from LG14 (Based on my assumption that everyone in there is/has/has obtained experience), list provided earlier by yours truly, tell me your believes of the guys, tell me your suspicions. If we don't discuss about people and accuse them we will never get them to talk. Everyone here bleeds and no one is immortal. Everyone on the eyes of the others could be a Skaa, we just have to weed them out and swiftly bring their demise. 

 

@Stink

 

It is discussing, that is the whole point. Thing is, you instigate discussion yet seldom participate in it. Inquisitors, talk, discuss, accuse everyone you see. let the defense begin.

 

On the "ignoring" Skaa. Yes, I am aware of it, but, if we can narrow the list and get one or two, even only one, its a great improvement. Ignoring Skaa is a risk yes, but i prefer to take it than blindly poke shots in the dark and hope to pancakes we hit a Skaa

----

 

Experienced, middle ground, new players, everyone could be a Skaa. Heck, I could be a Skaa (let me assure you i'm not...). Investigate everyone. leave nothing behind, we are either really thorough with everyone, or we will perish together.

 

If you still believe I am a Skaa or I am responsible of Ripples's death, lets talk about it, lets discuss. I want to hear you talk.

 

EDIT: Added Stink

Edited October 22, 2015 by Creccio

[Guest]

 

@Kipper

 

Funny how i made you be in an uncomfortable spot, not my plan, we need to all be friends right ?

 

Tell me why we should not. Its the only thing we have to go off and writing it off is like writing off everything we have. Ripple's death did give us information on who is OK with killing early, who is OK jumping off bandwagons, who is OK just poking votes and we also noticed who is THE TRUE HOLDER OF THE DEATH NOTE.

 

 

's fine. Like I said, I expected it at some time. And I've already given my reasons "why not" in my previous post...

[Wyrmhero he/him]

I hadn't said anything as I hadn't been online until just now.    I have had a busy day and have work in 90 mins so I'm still not going to say anything.  My vote was placed on Ripple because of a gut feeling I had.  I kept it there as I felt I really need to follow up on my gut feeling rather than just ignore them.  I could've removed it after the others started voting on Ripple for a simple mistake but chose not to.  My gut feeling had only gotten stronger as I felt Ripple was being a little too defensive in their posts.

 

I'm going to keep my vote on you here, particularly since (as far as I know right now) you aren't being threatened by the lynch right now. I want to know what this gut feeling you had was. I mean, they're a new player. Why are you having a gut feeling (and following it through) for a new player after they've said maybe one or two things? I think I'm starting to have a gut feeling about you here...

[Metacognition he/him]

3. Wyrm confirmed for holder of Death Note. Chief, can you please do me a favour and never use me in your examples of who might die? 

 

 and we also noticed who is THE TRUE HOLDER OF THE DEATH NOTE.

 

Funny, I don't remember giving anyone a Splinter of my Shard.  

Edited October 23, 2015 by Metacognition

[Sart he/him]

Mar was trying to keep track of the discussion, but it appeared that no candidate had been decided upon. He needed to analyze the votes, in order to get a better understanding of the situation.

 

Vote Count:

Orlok (0): Winter Cloud

The Only Joe (1): Clanky, Kipper

Wyrmhero (0): IrulelikeSTINK

IrulelikeSTINK (1): polkinghornbd, The Honey Badger

Araris Valerian (2): Kasimir, Clanky, Sart

Alvron (1): Wyrmhero

Phattemer (1): TheMightyLopen

Clanky (1): Sart, Kasimir

Kipper (0): IrulelikeSTINK

Creccio (1): Alfa

 

The nobles were clearly disorganized. Mar assumed that the skaa would know who their co-conspirators were. If that was the case, this disunity was clearly to their advantage. Mar was currently voting for Lan, but he was beginning to doubt that claim. If Lan really was a skaa, one of his friends should have tied up the votes by now. Therefore, it was likely that Lan was merely another Noble. Mar scowled, he hated being wrong

 

"Lan, as much as I hate to admit this, I don't think you're guilty. No, the obvious guilty party is Arad Penrod (Araris Valerian)! He voted for Ailyth, who I had been chasing down. While I appreciate his support, I wonder what motivation he had. There were other candidates up for debate, yet he chose the safe option. In addition, he has spoken today, but has failed to vote for his suspicions. I believe he is hesitating because he wants to secure a lynch! Therefore, I must vote for him."

[Curious Anamaximder he/him]

Having just read the entire thread, my vote is going to go on Arad Penrod. Most of the reasons are listed above, but I have my suspicions. 

[polkinghornbd he/him]

Sart, what do you mean by that post? You think he is skaa because he voted safely?  He didn't vote on his suspicions?  That doesn't make sense to me.  All the time people don't vote on suspicions.  Am I a skaa because I didn't vote last round cycle, even though I made an analysis?  Your arguments are saying he is guilty because he doesn't want to kill an Inquisitor

Edited October 22, 2015 by polkinghornbd

[Guest]

Yeah, Sart, Araris has been rather quiet. I’m not sure what exactly you’re going off of, but if you just feel it, that’s fine. To be honest, I’m more concerned about Venture Mistborn’s vote on him directly afterward, which *seems* to be completely devoid of any reasoning.
Hey Alfa! Are you open to any kind of information trade? If not, that’s cool but I want to know stuff…
And rusts, I hate it when I see player names voted on and I have no idea who the username is! I HATE IT! HATE! IT!

's okay; mostly my fault. I should spend more time paying attention to RP than I do...

[Zephrer he/him]

Okay, adding my two cents:

Kas, I know what I said about instinct earlier, and I hate to go by it... but I'm still fairly inexperienced at this, so I'll take the advice given. Not to mention sometimes you just don't have enough evidence to justify a vote.

I really don't have evidence to justify my vote, and I don't think this based on any of the events that have occurred, but my instincts say that you are Skaa.

I realize this puts some measure of suspicion on me, and I expect that. But I assure you all, I'm an inquisitor.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Okay, adding my two cents:

Kas, I know what I said about instinct earlier, and I hate to go by it... but I'm still fairly inexperienced at this, so I'll take the advice given. Not to mention sometimes you just don't have enough evidence to justify a vote.

I really don't have evidence to justify my vote, and I don't think this based on any of the events that have occurred, but my instincts say that you are Skaa.

I realize this puts some measure of suspicion on me, and I expect that. But I assure you all, I'm an inquisitor.

I actually feel the sqme way. I can't figure out why, and I have no evidence to back it up, but everything he posts just seems off.