Mid-Range Game 9: The Steel Ministry

[Alfa he/him]

I was busy with university the last days and could not was to lazy to check the thread.

 

As it is, since everybody knows that I am a pewterarm, so it is a little bit difficult to provoke the Skaa to target me. Was not thinking much about it at the moment I told that.

Also, Creccio, I want an explanation of your vote for me.

Edited November 1, 2015 by Alfa

[Creccio he/him]

I was busy with university the last days and could not was to lazy to check the thread.

 

As it is, since everybody knows that I am a pewterarm, so it is a little bit difficult to provoke the Skaa to target me. Was not thinking much about it at the moment I told that.

Also, Creccio, I want an explanation of your vote for me.

 

Explanation is this:

 

I believe Clutch is trying his best to win for the town and he was right on Lopen. The Skaa did not make a kill today because they were not active, I have not seen you a lot lately and so i thought it would be you.

 

I put my vote to see your reaction and see if we could get any information out... Who do you believe to be the Skaa?

[Alfa he/him]

Difficult to say.

 

Stink, and probably Badger. No evidence, no smoking gun, no nothing. Just a feeling.

[STINK he/him]

Heh, that's actually a good move. 

 

Take someone randomly (probably isn't) then take in your other accused eliminator and lump them together. I approve of that strategy! 

[Alfa he/him]

Really, I am tired as a stone, and do not have the power to think anyhow clearly.

[Meandbooks she/her]

The reason I haven't posted is because I've been really sick over the last couple of days and can't think coherently at all. I've been staying home, so I had time to read everything, but I didn't have the energy to analyze anything. I'm still pretty sick, but I'll try to cobble something together now.

 

I find Deathclutch's style of gameplay to be...odd, to say the least. So far, what he has said doesn't seem to be easily disprovable, but I would like to hear some evidence on why he accused Honey Badger at the beginning. I'd also like to know why he thinks Badger has brass, but Badger says he is a Tineye. If someone could check tonight, that would be lovely. (I'm not a Seeker, so I can't.)

 

I'm just going to come out and say my role, since I don't think it's very useful anyway. I'm a Coppercloud. I haven't used any of my charges because I can't see a reason to, so I still have 3 left.

[Clanky he/him]

@Winter, What changed your mind from this point to this point? You went from "I'm only voting for Orlok so that someone is lynched" to "I was certain Orlok was guilty". Between those two posts we had approximately zero posts from Orlok. So I don't see any rational explanation for the change of heart.

[Clanky he/him]

That is a bit different from Ripples typo. This is more of a "Eliminators wouldn't act certain of stuff like this so this would make me less suspicious". I did read your posts but when you don't say anything about my main suspicion about you then they aren't really going to change my opinion. 

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

Winter Cloud what is your role?

[Clanky he/him]

Ok Winter the vote is gone (for now). It is a different case than the Ripple effect (it is a good name) but it does share some similarities I suppose.

 

Zephrer, I'm back to you. It would be very poor strategy for Deathclutch to claim to be the coinshot who killed the Skaa if he wasn't. What does he gain other than maybe finding out the identity of a coinshot who is probably out of metal anyways? He would be guaranteed to die if he was lying no matter how he goes about it. 

 

@stink
Deathclutch only just started claiming the kills. So the other coinshot might not have gotten around to killing him yet.
@deathclutch. It proves that you're a coinshot (or are working with one), but it really doesn't tell us much about your alignment.

I'm not convinced yet that either of you are innocent.

Explain to me how death could be working with a coinshot in a game with no PMs. Maybe you didn't think of that because you have been collaborating with people all game? I realize that this may fit into the Ripple Effect but I still think slip-ups like this can be for analysis purposes.

 

I have noticed that you have been expressing doubt of deaths innocence for a while now but I fail to see a single time you voted for him. Now I think this is because as a Skaa you know he is innocent. So you want to get him lynched without being the one who places the first vote. That way you can have plausible deniability when we find out he was telling the truth about everything.

[RippleGylf she/her]

Well, there was that white text conversation a few cycles ago...

 

EDIT: I didn't have the time to look for it but I noticed that one player mentioned it a while back.

Edited November 2, 2015 by RippleGylf

[Clanky he/him]

So last cycle we had 16 people left and only 5 votes. This left us with a tie vote and not much new info to go on. This cycle we still have only five people voting I think. At this point in the game there is no reason not to be voting! If you don't have any suspicions by now I don't really know what to say to you. What I do know is that we can't rely on the Coinshot who may not even be an inquisitor to kill all the Skaa for us. So vote!

 

You have 14 hours left today and I want to see at least 10 votes here by the end of this cycle!

 

 

Edited November 2, 2015 by Clanky

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

As I promised here's the list of people that I believe are skaa after the no-skaa kill at the end of the last cycle.

 

Yes I'm calling you out Skaa. Come at me. I embrace death.

Reminder: If you don't kill me I'll take you all down one by one.

 

DAY 6 READS

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REALLY GOOD

1)Creccio - Inor Haze - X

2)Deathclutch10 - Shi Kuratchi - Obviously I know I’m not skaa….

3)Clanky - Lan - X

4)rulelikeSTINK - No Name - X

THE LIGHT GREEN - Very active the day before, would not let there be no Skaa kill. 0% Skaa

5)Venture Mistborn - Maxisum - X Inactive but good.

6)Phattemer - Axies - X Association with Shallan. However Inactive

7)polkinghornbd - Elijah - X Coppercloud, doesn’t seem to be lying. Active D5

8)Zephrer - Serech of House Huxer - Claimed Gold, No dead Inq gold. Probably truth.

THE DARK GREEN - Each have 25% chance of being skaa, but each one has proven their innocence to me in their own special way.

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THE BLUE - One of these people is our 4th skaa. One of them is our Atium. One is Unidentified.

100% chance of one of them being skaa. 33% chance of being skaa overall.

9)RippleGylf - Marie Lepinceau - X so far (alive again i guess idk) Least likely to be skaa out of these 3.

10)Nicocoberru - Coco - Very Inactive. Given 0 reason to think he’s innocent. Also 0 reason to think he’s skaa other than he was inactive yesterday.

11)Winter Cloud - Sophia Erikell -Suspicious Defense. Most likely to be skaa out of these 3.

THE RED - 75% chance of being skaa due to Inactivity yesterday and not being able to get the kill.

Meandbooks - Ailyth   - Generally on the same level as nico for being inactive. However his posts seem more suspicious to me by far. Could be Atium. Inactive on the day of no kill.

The Honey Badger - Dagbert Honerion - Claims Tin. Any other counterclaims would be helpful in condemning him as bad. It’s unlikely to have 3 Inquisition Tin after doing the math. Inactive on the day of no kill.

Alfa - Ashbringer Fadraux - 100% Skaa (Self-Explanatory Level) Bad defense. Didn't respond yesterday after being voted on. Doesn't play to be attacked by skaa after claiming pewterarm.

REALLY BAD

This is the most accurate list I could come up with. Good luck town and I'll see you all the next game Once the coinshot goes off tonight I'd like you all to start claiming and working together to coppercloud the last coinshot and lynch the last skaa scum! ESPECIALLY THOSE OF YOU IN GREEN. YOU'RE ALL LIKELY INQUISITION SO START HELPING EACHOTHER.

 

I AGREE WITH CLANKY WE NEED MORE PEOPLE TO VOTE. With 4 people the skaa can easily swing the vote. Especially since I just called them all out and they have nothing left to hide.

Edited November 2, 2015 by DeathClutch19

[STINK he/him]

So what is the vote tally?

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

Alfa                (2) - Hellscythe, Creccio

Meandbooks (1) - Ripple

Stink              (1) - Alfa

Zephrer         (1) - Clanky

 

AGAIN guys they have 4 members. They have the ability to speak with each other privately. We do not. We need more unity if we want to win this game. It's 10 vs. 4 we can do this.

Edited November 2, 2015 by DeathClutch19

[STINK he/him]

Alfa.

[phattemer]

Death, of those 25% 4 I would say Zephrer is likely because I am an Augur Inquisitor.

Alfa

[Clanky he/him]

Inactivity isn't the only possibility for no Skaa kill. It could have just been miscommunication of who was supposed to send in the kill order (unlikely but possible) or it could also have been someone was designated to send in the kill order but they forgot/something came up. I think one of these two options is more likely than the whole Skaa team just didn't even try to kill anyone.

[Creccio he/him]

Death, of those 25% 4 I would say Zephrer is likely because I am an Augur Inquisitor.

Alfa

 

Another gold? Now i'm set, lets kill him and you after, see where the gold mine is for the Skaa

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

Lol no. We're not killing either of them just yet. There can be 2 gold. There's a decent chance of that.

 

Also Winter something about your defense just sets me off. You don't have any leads on who is bad which seems to me like it's not because you're a bad Inquisitor, it's because you're a skaa who just hasn't been looking because as a skaa you don't have to look for who is bad. The people you vote for tend to be people who voted for you a defensive maneuver anyone can pull off without suspicions.

 

Also ALL your reads are very wishy washy. For the same reasons I killed Shallan (I think it's joe but I'm not gonna vote!) and Lopen (I think wyrm is good! I mean bad! I mean good! But I got my eye on you!) I think you are skaa. Indecisiveness is a very clear indicator to me of skaa.

Because on one hand you don't want to make any enemies to get yourself lynched especially since you know they're Inquisition and if they get lynched and it's your fault you'll get called out. And on the other you don't want to get your teammates lynched. So you don't call anyone out.

 

These reads can be seen here:  http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/46623-mid-range-game-9-the-steel-ministry/?p=350569

 

Wyrm(A proven innocent) and Clanky were both suspicious of you for several days now and I trust their judgement as Inquisitors.

Edited November 2, 2015 by DeathClutch19

[Zephrer he/him]

@clanky

If Death is Skaa, then he can communicate through the doc, assuming the coinshot is Skaa as well. I was just covering all of our options, and possibilities. As for why I haven't voted for death. If I had voted for him last cycle, he would be dead now, but we've lost so many inquisitors that I was unwilling to kill someone who there was a possibility of being innocent. Just because I'm not convinced of it, doesn't mean that I am right. I'm just being cautious.

@Phatt. There is little chance that there are two Inquisitor Augurs, but there's also the possibility that you are in fact Skaa, and I am innocent. (I'm on mobile so I'll put your name in red as soon as I can)

I'm not Skaa, I'm an inquisitor Augur. Kill me if you must, but I am innocent.

Edit: fixing grammatical errors

Edited November 2, 2015 by Zephrer

[Clanky he/him]

Ok, coinshot if you are an inquisitor please kill Zephrer if it is Alfa who is lynched and not Zeph that is.

 

 

@clanky
If Death is Skaa, then he can communicate through the doc, assuming the coinshot is Skaa as well. I was just covering all of our options, and possibilities. As for why I haven't voted for death. If I had voted for him last cycle, he would be dead now, but we've lost so many inquisitors that I was unwilling to kill someone who there was a possibility of being innocent. Just because I'm not convinced of it, doesn't mean that I am right. I'm just being cautious.


I'm not Skaa, I'm an inquisitor Augur. Kill me if you must, but I am innocent.
 

So Death is covering for a Skaa coinshot who killed two of his teammates? 

 

So I guess you can't vote for anyone then since we have no seeker.

[Zephrer he/him]

Idols Domi, Clanky.

Kill me then. This is my second game, and I'm bound to make some mistakes with logic or grammar. This is like Ripple's first death all over again.

Do you want me to admit I'm Skaa? I won't, because I'm NOT Skaa. I'm an inquisitor, Storm it!

[Clanky he/him]

I know that you haven't played a lot and that can explain some of the things you said. That is why I didn't pursue you any further with only the original reasoning of posts without content that seem to be just attempting to look like an inquisitor. However you have said several other things that are Skaa-like or just plain wrong. I do tend to give newer players a benefit of the doubt at the beginning of the game but we are far enough along into this game for that to be long gone.

 

Do you want me to do further analysis for your guilt? I could look at your voting history. I see a vote on Kas early on that didn't even get close to threatening a lynch and a vote for Creccio that you removed before the end of the cycle.

 

Thanks for the informative response. I see that beyond the "I'm new" excuse you used the same reasoning that Winter did. I don't want you to just come out and say your skaa btw. I get way more info from you continuing to defend yourself.

 

On another note I do not share the same convictions about Alfa that Death does. I think that the members of the eliminator team are:

 

Zephrer: I have given my reasoning several times

 

Winter: I have also given several reasons for this and a new one in which Zeph uses an eerily similar defense to Winters.

 

Kasrippimar: Kas dropped out because he was too busy. Which I totally understand and he gave good reasons for. However I do find it more likely that he would drop out if he were an eliminator since it usually requires more time and effort(as Winter pointed out as a reason for Wyrms innocence) Also Zephrers one non-threatening vote which stands as his only vote to date was on Kas. I.e vote for your teammates when they aren't in danger idea.

Since Ripple has replaced Kas she has made one vote on Stink because he was being rude and hasn't voiced any hard suspicions.

 

 

Now as I said earlier about the Skaa potentially staying out of the way and letting the inquisitors kill themselves, this seems to be what they are doing. It seems to be a concerted effort to stay on the fringe of the debates and not put down any hard suspicions on anyone.

 

EDIT: I would also like to point out that Lopen and Shallan both also fit the bill of staying to the outsides.

Edited November 2, 2015 by Clanky

[phattemer]

Colours, Zephrer, that was a bit of an overreaction. Storm me if you didn't just vote for me based on little to no reasoning. To be honest, I think there could easily be 2 Augur Inquisitors. It's not exactly a powerful role, you know. When burning, if someone targets you with an action, you learn up to 2 of them. I only mentioned that because Death said you would be suspicious of there was a dead Inquisitor Augur, and a live one serves the same purpose. I would more suspect Creccio from her post, but since we're lynching Alfa and she's green(is that based on activity cycle 5 deathclutch?) , I'm not voting for her.