LG112 - Metacycle Two: Under New Management

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

LG112 - Metacycle Two: Under New Management 

The Unknown Character sifted through the menus. Unlimited power. All he had to do was find some old roleplay by that pesky Chaos. A little bit of frankenCode and the perfect weapon was made. Now there was no one who could stop them. Unless all of the mods banded together somehow, but that was unlikely. Impossible even.

~

The Unknown Player opened the mod chat. Chaos had mysteriously (Jo was covering for him :Pl disappeared without a word, and some random account had been given Head Admin privileges. 

“Does anyone know who ‘3929207’ is?” Jo asked.

“It looks like a spam account,” one of the other mods responded. 

“It can't be, it hasn't made a single post. Just a single PM to… The Unknown GM,” someone said.

Everyone was silent for a moment. 

A message appeared, but was quickly deleted by the profanity filter. 

“Yeah, I think that about sums it up. One of the sentient Roleplay Characters somehow banned Chaos and stole his Head Admin powers.”

“Is there even anything we can do?”

“We can replace the Head Admin, but it requires a unanimous vote of the mods, and no one can abstain.”

“We have all the mods here, don't we? Let's do it.”

“We have all the active mods.”

The chat fell silent.

Another chat was deleted by the profanity filter. 

~

Tineye Message

Spoiler

Warning to all players. The player 'Striker' is a threat. In the last Psuedo round he made several promises he did not intend to keep, acquiring a mass of investure.

~

Myst was executed! They were a Village Coinshot.

Verdance was killed! They were a Village Tineye.

Vote Count:

Myst (5) Qian, TJ, Araris, Hopper, Coco

Verdance (3): Hoid, Myst, Kit Kat

Hoid (1): CadCom

This cycle will end on Thursday the 4th of June at 11:00 AM Central Time. 

Make sure to thank Wahr for this rollover in particular, he did the vast majority of the work while I was held up at class.

Players:

Spoiler

1. @coco.pudding as Coco
2. @Through The Living Star as Star
3. @CoderDrag0n8 as Coder Village Coinshot, SE Player Retiree
4. @Myst as Mistake  Village Coinshot,
5. @StrikerEZ as Striker
6. @Qianweilian as Qianweilian 
7. @Through the Living Hopper as Hopper
8. @CadCom as Cam
9. @Verdance as Verdance  Village Tineye
10. @TwinStorm as TwinStorm
11. @Hoid Slayer as Hoid Slayer
12. @___ as Mippo
13. @xinoehp512 as Xinoehp512 Elim Coinshot 
14. @Araris Valerian as Araris Valerian 
15. @|TJ| as TJ
16. @Kit_Kat as Kit Kat
17. @Questioning Lettuce as Questioning Lettuce
18. @Miss Fallen SE Player Thread Controller

 

Edited June 2 by The Unknown Medallion

[coco.pudding she/they]

Okay so I think the obvious question here is @Myst why’d you lie about your role?

[Qianweilian He/him]

I'm sorry, Myst, but this just proves the suspicion I had about you last cycle. Coco's right in asking why you lied. You better come up with a good explanation, otherwise it's looking like you're metaelim and killed xino.

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

10 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

Make sure to thank Wahr for this rollover in particular, he did the vast majority of the work while I was held up at class.

Helping with Rollover is kinda my Job a Co GM, you still did all the Write Up. Btw I think we forgott the Tineye message

[StrikerEZ he/him]

I have no idea what that Tineye message is going on about.

[Qianweilian He/him]

1 minute ago, StrikerEZ said:

I have no idea what that Tineye message is going on about.

I find none of them are actually that helpful very often.

The anon messages introduce more anonymity into a system where (at least for the villagers) it is best removed

[Kit_Kat She/Her]

Maybe the Tineye is an elim trying to frame Striker…

Or they’re actually trying to help the village.

Orrrrrrrr they just want to make chaos.

[Qianweilian He/him]

5 minutes ago, Kit_Kat said:

Maybe the Tineye is an elim trying to frame Striker…

Or they’re actually trying to help the village.

Orrrrrrrr they just want to make chaos.

The bottom line is that...we don't know.

I think, unless someone claims to have sent that, we should continue as normal.

[coco.pudding she/they]

20 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

I have no idea what that Tineye message is going on about.

Do you not? I’d say it’s pretty obvious

[Qianweilian He/him]

1 minute ago, coco.pudding said:

Do you not? I’d say it’s pretty obvious

I assume he means that he has a) no idea who sent it and b) no idea why someone would, seeing as (he claims to) not be elim

[Myst He/Him]

I’m working on a post everyone but for now:

@Through the living Wahr @The Unknown Medallion was Ver killed by a coinshot or the Elim kill? 

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

53 minutes ago, Kit_Kat said:

Maybe the Tineye is an elim trying to frame Striker…

Or they’re actually trying to help the village.

Orrrrrrrr they just want to make chaos.

I'm inclined to believe the second option. It seems like the Tineye could be more effective at helping the elims and they are village.

Striker. @StrikerEZ, explain yourself. Is there any truth to this?

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Hopper opened SE. He felt bad about his absence, but it couldn't be avoided. In fact...

Wait. Something was wrong. He got the sense that there was something bad happening.

A storm was brewing.

[CadCom he/him]

Ok. I've been doing some thinking (More like I'll be doing thinking as I type this.)

Verdance claimed to be a M-V-roleplayer, and now we know they're a P-V-Tineye. But Verdance's claim was only in response to Araris's claim. So that is still suspicious as we are now entering the Metacycle. 

Myst claimed to not be a coinshot, but TJ was right about myst being a coinshot. I believe TJ's claim about their own role was that they were a seeker and got changed to tineye. So they could have seeked Myst PC1, before their role was changed MC1. This makes me lean MV on TJ. Now that Myst is a PV coinshot, it makes it seem odd they would claim to not be one. I can't wait to see their explanation for their lie. 

If we're assuming Myst is a M-Elim, We also need to consider for the next P-cycle, that Myst said that they're assuming that the M-elims voted on a P-elim win. (Myst was agreeing with me at the time, but now I'm not sure I'm agreeing with Myst) Could very much be that they voted on a P-village win. Flipping Myst in the M-game will help us determine how much weight to put to their claim. 

I also noticed in my re-read of last cycle that Hoid and Verdance were both consistently hesitant to vote for Myst. Worth keeping in mind, but not enough for me at this time to give a hard read to it. Well, stacking Verdance's hesitancy along with their odd Counter-claim with Araris, might be worth considering them as M-elim. 

Can we assume the tineye message came from either Verdance or TJ (He was changed to tineye, right?) (It's possible there's more tineyes, but I think unlikely.) 
I suspect it came from Verdance, who indicated not trusting Striker last cycle. Striker indicated that he knew that no one would have enough investiture. My guess is there's a part on Roshar that I wasn't invited to, and that doc is popping. 

The only thing that gives me pause if if Hoid is the P-elim/M-elim Mole, does outing themself as the P-elim help the meta-elim cause? Maybe they've decided it's unlikely they'll win the bet, so they're already giving up on trying to win the pseudo-bet to get conversions. Or maybe it's because their bet was to actually have the village team lose? I hate all my second guessing of everything. 

[Myst He/Him]

Note: since the GMs haven’t clarified whether Ver was killed by the Elims or a Coinshot, the following assumes it was a Coinshot. I’ll make another post assuming it was the Elim kill. Once the GMs clarify feel free to ignore about half of this as it’ll be obsolete 
 

 

This is why I didn’t claim btw:

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There is a third Coinshot running around somewhere, and they are almost certainly meta-elim or just absurdly sniped Xino

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Any Coinshot who remains in the game and does not confess to Xino's kill ought to be considered meta-elim.

Once I didn’t claim M-C1, I was kinda forced to continue not claiming.

I had a chance to claim again once TJ asked me for my role but I tried to go on the safe side. If I could’ve survived that, I would’ve let you exe me here and then I could’ve done my coinshot-ing in the pseudo game in peace 

I was planning on just sniping the pseudo Elims as I found them(I got lucky with Xino, then Hoid claimed to me, and then I figured out TJ was Elim from Coco)

that said, this reminds me of something I said:

Seems I was right.

However, here’s some information you might like to know:

1, I am meta village (yes go ahead and exe me it’ll confirm what I’m saying) 

This will be confirmed when I flip, until then, ask away for any of my very questionable decisions.

2. The meta Elims bet on an Elim win

How do I know this? Because I shot Xino, and I tried to shoot TJ, apart from Me, Striker is the only person who even tried to make an Elim go out. Furthermore, TJ, who I now know is lying about getting his role changed, got me out, making it so yall won’t be able to snipe off Elims nearly as effectively.

I have been the only person killing Elims, and I have been stopped. Remember what I said at the beginning of the game about hard committing to a side and re- evaluating once I got feedback? Well, my feedback was TJ(a pseudo Elim) getting me exed and lying while doing it

3. TJ’s lying and most likely a Meta elim

How is he lying? Easy. I highly doubt there’s 4 natural coinshots in the game. I didn’t kill ver, I submitted a NK on TJ and it got blocked because he’s on Sel.

I asked to make sure, because the original write up didn’t say. But Ver was killed by a coinshot. It was not me. I highly doubt there’s 4 natural coinshots. As such, the GM must’ve changed someone’s role to coinshot. However, that means they couldn’t have changed his role to a Tineye. He might’ve had his role changed, but it was not to a Tineye.

You know how all yall are mad at me for not claiming a role that has direct influence over the outcome of the pseudo game?(for good reason. Even if I did claim I was not going to listen to anyone’s suggestions on who to kill) 

4. There’s another coinshot in the pseudo game

I didn’t kill Ver, the Elims didn’t, so another coinshot had to have done it. That means. We have another! And again, I highly doubt all 4 are natural. Meaning we either

a. Have two pseudo GMs

b. TJ was lying about his role getting changed to tineye

His role very well might’ve been changed, just not to tineye. I personally think that two GMs seems way to many for the village to have, and doubly so for the meta Elims. And if we each have one,  that seems like it promotes back and forth gameplay, of one GM changing a villager’s role to a coinshot and the other changing it right back to Tineye.

As such. The only logical explanation is that TJ is either a coinshot now, or was lying about his role being changed to begin with.

However, he brought the change up. He didn’t have to lie about his role change, he could’ve just not brought it up and it would’ve all been fine. As such, the only reason I can see for him to lie is that he’s meta Elim. This can’t be the same as why I lied because he could’ve stayed anonymous easily, like I wanted to. 
 

Okay, finally, to go into more depth into why I didn’t claim. I didn’t have a reason to until after Xino died and people started to come forward(for those wondering, knowing I shot Xino was part of what made me defend Coder) and at that point, again, it wasn’t all that urgent.

And once I made that decision then we started having people say that whoever killed Xino was automatically Elim. And that didn’t exactly make me want to claim.

Now, once TJ said he’d received a claim, I had two options, I could come clean, but then I’d most likely get killed by an Elim in some way or another, and I’d have to listen to everyone’s suggestions on who to NK(I would not have listened btw) or I could stay quiet, survive the psuedo exe, get exed in the meta game, flip village and go back to my ways in the pseudo game.

I think you can tell which one I chose. I probably could’ve gone back on the claim one or two posts after I said I wasn’t a coinshot, but after I claimed Lurcher there really was no going back.

[Qianweilian He/him]

14 minutes ago, Myst said:

I have been the only person killing Elims, and I have been stopped. Remember what I said at the beginning of the game about hard committing to a side and re- evaluating once I got feedback? Well, my feedback was TJ(a pseudo Elim) getting me exed and lying while doing it

Here's the problem with that. We have far more villagers to spare than elims. If the elims become too close to winning in the pseudogame, it is easily reversible. Not so much the other way

[Myst He/Him]

If Ver was killed by an Elim kill, If it was a coinshot ignore the next two paragraphs.

 

All that changes is that TJ’s no longer lying and we don’t have a 4th coinshot running around.

Im still meta village, and the meta Elims still bet on a psuedo Elim win(yes, exe me to confirm this)

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Okay, the rest of this is just more thoughts from me.

So, I haven’t gotten any PMs from anyone indicating they know my role or telling me to target someone. So unless the IM is TJ, it’s safe to say that our IM isn’t active.

I still think it’s really weird that TJ’s role got changed to a Tineye. While I don’t know if he’s lying, obviously, that suggests Lettuce is the GM. Because someone had to decide that TJ needed to be nerfed, and that means either PM, Shard doc, or Elim doc, and most everyone I can think of would rather make themselves a coinshot.

Lettuce was also on Scadrial C1 with TJ, so I can see an exchange happening there that makes Lettuce change TJs role. But otherwise I’m confused, I don’t see any reason to do that. Seeker isn’t as of an important role here. Coinshot and Spiked are the two real options, and most players would know that. If the GM was meta elim, that makes this weirder, as again, why not make a teammate coinshot?

suffice to say that I’m confused by that and while I don’t know for sure that TJ was lying about it, something weird is happening there. 

Just now, Qianweilian said:

Here's the problem with that. We have far more villagers to spare than elims. If the elims become too close to winning in the pseudogame, it is easily reversible. Not so much the other way

Which part? Was it sketchy yes, but it got the result. Yes this is harder to reverse. But I’ve been doing all the pushing the game towards a village win. No one else has. That’s very unlikely if the meta Elims went for a psuedo village win

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

So, TUM probably forgott to Mention it because he wrote that Write Up last minute, but Verdance was killed by the Elims.

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, Through the living Wahr said:

So, TUM probably forgott to Mention it because he wrote that Write Up last minute, but Verdance was killed by the Elims.

Got it thanks. so ignore about half of the original post everyone 

Oh, I should probably explain why I shot Xino. Because when I shot him, I did not know he was pseudo Elim, I found that out afterwards and decided that since I was already pushing for a village win I might as well go for it.

The Meta Elims got to coordinate which shardworld they each went to. As such, I find it highly unlikely that more than one meta Elim was on each shardworld. Using a series of inactivity filters as well as excluding everyone from my shardworld(I will not be going into exactly how I got this list) 

I got a list of the following people:

Araris, TJ, and Xino.

I didn’t want it NK TJ or Araris as they had been pretty active and we need active people. Plus I didn’t start to get suspicious of Araris till Meta cycle 1, and of TJ till Pseudo cycle 2. Araris is cleared for me though. That meant Xino. 

[CadCom he/him]

10 minutes ago, Myst said:

2. The meta Elims bet on an Elim win

How do I know this? Because I shot Xino, and I tried to shoot TJ, apart from Me, Striker is the only person who even tried to make an Elim go out. Furthermore, TJ, who I now know is lying about getting his role changed, got me out, making it so yall won’t be able to snipe off Elims nearly as effectively.

I have been the only person killing Elims, and I have been stopped. Remember what I said at the beginning of the game about hard committing to a side and re- evaluating once I got feedback? Well, my feedback was TJ(a pseudo Elim) getting me exed and lying while doing it

Was Xino a lucky shot or did someone tell you they were P-elim Oh nevermind, You already answered that above. 

14 minutes ago, Myst said:

I was planning on just sniping the pseudo Elims as I found them(I got lucky with Xino, then Hoid claimed to me, and then I figured out TJ was Elim from Coco)

Why were you just shooting blind in the first place? This seems contradictory to sniping pseudo elims as you found them?

Why would Hoid claim elim to you? Is Hoid that certain that the M-elims want the Pelims to win? 

How did Coco figure out TJ is Elim? 

20 minutes ago, Myst said:

I have been the only person killing Elims, and I have been stopped. Remember what I said at the beginning of the game about hard committing to a side and re- evaluating once I got feedback? Well, my feedback was TJ(a pseudo Elim) getting me exed and lying while doing it

Excuse you? I voted for Hoid. I also had the convoluted theory that Fallen was a P-elim. 
 

22 minutes ago, Myst said:

How is he lying? Easy. I highly doubt there’s 4 natural coinshots in the game. I didn’t kill ver, I submitted a NK on TJ and it got blocked because he’s on Sel.

I asked to make sure, because the original write up didn’t say. But Ver was killed by a coinshot. It was not me. I highly doubt there’s 4 natural coinshots. As such, the GM must’ve changed someone’s role to coinshot. However, that means they couldn’t have changed his role to a Tineye. He might’ve had his role changed, but it was not to a Tineye.

Unfortunately I don't know how we can confirm the blocked NK on TJ if he's the only one on sel. Anyone else want to confirm, and you're already indicating TJ might be lying 

Do we have anyone else's word that you didn't put your kill on Ver? Or are we supposed to take you for your word? 

There's still got to be at least one tineye, because PMs didn't close. 
SNIPED AT THIS POINT BY WAHR
Leads me to believe a higher probability of TJ's claim being correct. 

Despite me poking holes in your claims, It still did make it so I'm less heavily leaning toward you. Not enough to remove my vote yet though. Before the GM clarification, I was also leaning toward TJ now too. 

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, CadCom said:

Why were you just shooting blind in the first place? This seems contradictory to sniping pseudo elims as you found them?

I made my first shot trying to find a Meta Elim, and my second was made trying to shoot a Psuedo Elim

3 minutes ago, CadCom said:

Why would Hoid claim elim to you? Is Hoid that certain that the M-elims want the Pelims to win? 

How did Coco figure out TJ is Elim? 

No, Hoid did not think that, I never told him my theory. And Coco didn’t know. Hoid confirmed that the Elim kill was submitted on Scadrial and Coco separately told me who exactly was on Scadrial C1

My understanding of why Hoid claimed to me was he wanted someone to talk to because there was most likely a mole in the Elim doc, and because unless a meta Elim destroyed Scadrial to protect me I was probably village

6 minutes ago, CadCom said:

Excuse you? I voted for Hoid. I also had the convoluted theory that Fallen was a P-elim. 

Fallens not pseudo Elim btw, 

And yes, you did, but again, that was because you thought they went for a pseudo Elim win. Plus you didn’t actually get him exed

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 hours ago, Myst said:

Note: since the GMs haven’t clarified whether Ver was killed by the Elims or a Coinshot, the following assumes it was a Coinshot. I’ll make another post assuming it was the Elim kill. Once the GMs clarify feel free to ignore about half of this as it’ll be obsolete 
 

 

This is why I didn’t claim btw:

Once I didn’t claim M-C1, I was kinda forced to continue not claiming.

I had a chance to claim again once TJ asked me for my role but I tried to go on the safe side. If I could’ve survived that, I would’ve let you exe me here and then I could’ve done my coinshot-ing in the pseudo game in peace 

I was planning on just sniping the pseudo Elims as I found them(I got lucky with Xino, then Hoid claimed to me, and then I figured out TJ was Elim from Coco)

that said, this reminds me of something I said:

Seems I was right.

However, here’s some information you might like to know:

1, I am meta village (yes go ahead and exe me it’ll confirm what I’m saying) 

This will be confirmed when I flip, until then, ask away for any of my very questionable decisions.

2. The meta Elims bet on an Elim win

How do I know this? Because I shot Xino, and I tried to shoot TJ, apart from Me, Striker is the only person who even tried to make an Elim go out. Furthermore, TJ, who I now know is lying about getting his role changed, got me out, making it so yall won’t be able to snipe off Elims nearly as effectively.

I have been the only person killing Elims, and I have been stopped. Remember what I said at the beginning of the game about hard committing to a side and re- evaluating once I got feedback? Well, my feedback was TJ(a pseudo Elim) getting me exed and lying while doing it

3. TJ’s lying and most likely a Meta elim

How is he lying? Easy. I highly doubt there’s 4 natural coinshots in the game. I didn’t kill ver, I submitted a NK on TJ and it got blocked because he’s on Sel.

I asked to make sure, because the original write up didn’t say. But Ver was killed by a coinshot. It was not me. I highly doubt there’s 4 natural coinshots. As such, the GM must’ve changed someone’s role to coinshot. However, that means they couldn’t have changed his role to a Tineye. He might’ve had his role changed, but it was not to a Tineye.

You know how all yall are mad at me for not claiming a role that has direct influence over the outcome of the pseudo game?(for good reason. Even if I did claim I was not going to listen to anyone’s suggestions on who to kill) 

4. There’s another coinshot in the pseudo game

I didn’t kill Ver, the Elims didn’t, so another coinshot had to have done it. That means. We have another! And again, I highly doubt all 4 are natural. Meaning we either

a. Have two pseudo GMs

b. TJ was lying about his role getting changed to tineye

His role very well might’ve been changed, just not to tineye. I personally think that two GMs seems way to many for the village to have, and doubly so for the meta Elims. And if we each have one,  that seems like it promotes back and forth gameplay, of one GM changing a villager’s role to a coinshot and the other changing it right back to Tineye.

As such. The only logical explanation is that TJ is either a coinshot now, or was lying about his role being changed to begin with.

However, he brought the change up. He didn’t have to lie about his role change, he could’ve just not brought it up and it would’ve all been fine. As such, the only reason I can see for him to lie is that he’s meta Elim. This can’t be the same as why I lied because he could’ve stayed anonymous easily, like I wanted to. 
 

Okay, finally, to go into more depth into why I didn’t claim. I didn’t have a reason to until after Xino died and people started to come forward(for those wondering, knowing I shot Xino was part of what made me defend Coder) and at that point, again, it wasn’t all that urgent.

And once I made that decision then we started having people say that whoever killed Xino was automatically Elim. And that didn’t exactly make me want to claim.

Now, once TJ said he’d received a claim, I had two options, I could come clean, but then I’d most likely get killed by an Elim in some way or another, and I’d have to listen to everyone’s suggestions on who to NK(I would not have listened btw) or I could stay quiet, survive the psuedo exe, get exed in the meta game, flip village and go back to my ways in the pseudo game.

I think you can tell which one I chose. I probably could’ve gone back on the claim one or two posts after I said I wasn’t a coinshot, but after I claimed Lurcher there really was no going back.

I know the facts of this post are largely irrelevant, but the way it reads strongly inclines me to think of Myst as an elim. The post is very adversarial against TJ based on unfounded assumptions (the NK and the distro). Furthermore, the excuse about not claiming is pretty much what I’d expect e!Myst to say in that world.

Myst

I’m also interested in flipping Verdance, since I don’t really think anything has overturned my read on him from the last cycle.

[Myst He/Him]

9 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

I know the facts of this post are largely irrelevant, but the way it reads strongly inclines me to think of Myst as an elim. The post is very adversarial against TJ based on unfounded assumptions (the NK and the distro). Furthermore, the excuse about not claiming is pretty much what I’d expect e!Myst to say in that world.

Myst

I’m also interested in flipping Verdance, since I don’t really think anything has overturned my read on him from the last cycle.

I did tell you all to ignore it if it turned out that it was the Elim kill? Of course there’s unfounded assumptions. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

3 hours ago, Myst said:

Note: since the GMs haven’t clarified whether Ver was killed by the Elims or a Coinshot, the following assumes it was a Coinshot. I’ll make another post assuming it was the Elim kill. Once the GMs clarify feel free to ignore about half of this as it’ll be obsolete 
 

 

This is why I didn’t claim btw:

Once I didn’t claim M-C1, I was kinda forced to continue not claiming.

I had a chance to claim again once TJ asked me for my role but I tried to go on the safe side. If I could’ve survived that, I would’ve let you exe me here and then I could’ve done my coinshot-ing in the pseudo game in peace 

I was planning on just sniping the pseudo Elims as I found them(I got lucky with Xino, then Hoid claimed to me, and then I figured out TJ was Elim from Coco)

that said, this reminds me of something I said:

Seems I was right.

However, here’s some information you might like to know:

1, I am meta village (yes go ahead and exe me it’ll confirm what I’m saying) 

This will be confirmed when I flip, until then, ask away for any of my very questionable decisions.

2. The meta Elims bet on an Elim win

How do I know this? Because I shot Xino, and I tried to shoot TJ, apart from Me, Striker is the only person who even tried to make an Elim go out. Furthermore, TJ, who I now know is lying about getting his role changed, got me out, making it so yall won’t be able to snipe off Elims nearly as effectively.

I have been the only person killing Elims, and I have been stopped. Remember what I said at the beginning of the game about hard committing to a side and re- evaluating once I got feedback? Well, my feedback was TJ(a pseudo Elim) getting me exed and lying while doing it

3. TJ’s lying and most likely a Meta elim

How is he lying? Easy. I highly doubt there’s 4 natural coinshots in the game. I didn’t kill ver, I submitted a NK on TJ and it got blocked because he’s on Sel.

I asked to make sure, because the original write up didn’t say. But Ver was killed by a coinshot. It was not me. I highly doubt there’s 4 natural coinshots. As such, the GM must’ve changed someone’s role to coinshot. However, that means they couldn’t have changed his role to a Tineye. He might’ve had his role changed, but it was not to a Tineye.

You know how all yall are mad at me for not claiming a role that has direct influence over the outcome of the pseudo game?(for good reason. Even if I did claim I was not going to listen to anyone’s suggestions on who to kill) 

4. There’s another coinshot in the pseudo game

I didn’t kill Ver, the Elims didn’t, so another coinshot had to have done it. That means. We have another! And again, I highly doubt all 4 are natural. Meaning we either

a. Have two pseudo GMs

b. TJ was lying about his role getting changed to tineye

His role very well might’ve been changed, just not to tineye. I personally think that two GMs seems way to many for the village to have, and doubly so for the meta Elims. And if we each have one,  that seems like it promotes back and forth gameplay, of one GM changing a villager’s role to a coinshot and the other changing it right back to Tineye.

As such. The only logical explanation is that TJ is either a coinshot now, or was lying about his role being changed to begin with.

However, he brought the change up. He didn’t have to lie about his role change, he could’ve just not brought it up and it would’ve all been fine. As such, the only reason I can see for him to lie is that he’s meta Elim. This can’t be the same as why I lied because he could’ve stayed anonymous easily, like I wanted to. 
 

Okay, finally, to go into more depth into why I didn’t claim. I didn’t have a reason to until after Xino died and people started to come forward(for those wondering, knowing I shot Xino was part of what made me defend Coder) and at that point, again, it wasn’t all that urgent.

And once I made that decision then we started having people say that whoever killed Xino was automatically Elim. And that didn’t exactly make me want to claim.

Now, once TJ said he’d received a claim, I had two options, I could come clean, but then I’d most likely get killed by an Elim in some way or another, and I’d have to listen to everyone’s suggestions on who to NK(I would not have listened btw) or I could stay quiet, survive the psuedo exe, get exed in the meta game, flip village and go back to my ways in the pseudo game.

I think you can tell which one I chose. I probably could’ve gone back on the claim one or two posts after I said I wasn’t a coinshot, but after I claimed Lurcher there really was no going back.

Thank you, Myst, I actually like this

We killed Verdance

More specifically, TJ did

When I left a couple hours before rollover, the only vote for the elim kill was mine on Qian

I was just reading our doc, and TJ proposed changing the kill to Verdance since he claimed Qian was on Sel with him

@Qianweilian confirm please

I’m not sure who to kill

@Myst, why was your plan to kill pseudo elims?

[|TJ| he/him]

For me, you killing Xino is a secondary issue. It was the fact that you let an assumption that Coder was Xino's killer fester in the thread which led to Coder getting exed. Sure, you can say you argued against his exe all you like, but at the end of the day, you ended up voting him out when all you had to do was claim you killed Xino. You lied by omission to get Coder exed in the meta-game, which is the most suspicious thing. 

Also, there is inconsistency in Myst's statements. They started the game theorising that the meta-elims have bet on pseudo-village victory. You can find the posts here - 

On 5/27/2026 at 9:45 PM, Myst said:

For why I think they’d have gone with a pseudo village win for the bet:

1. Everyone was talking about how a pseudo Elim was better

2. it’s possible to have the villagers win as early as pseudo day 2(not accounting for any coinshot help) as long as one Meta elim is also a pseudo Elim.

3. In the case the Meta Elim’s aren’t going for a fast game(for whatever reason), it’s a lot harder for us to anti-rig. Them killing off 4 pseudo Elim’s is a lot harder to stop than trying to reach village Elim parity.

the village wincon requires 4ish(I’ve been debating between 4-5 Elim’s) deaths, while the Elim wincon requires up to 12.

One of those is way easier to do

On 5/27/2026 at 9:59 PM, Myst said:

If we do do that I suggest killing off villagers, if I’m right, we’re making progress, and if I’m not we have the most time to course correct.

That said, this only works if everyone agrees with this

And Myst says nothing in his posts after this to suggest that he has changed his assumption. Now for the sake of his defence, conveniently he's changed the script that he wanted to kill pseudo-elims because he thought thought meta-elims bet on pseudo-elim victory. We know this is inconsistent with his previous thoughts from the posts above. 

[Myst He/Him]

18 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Thank you, Myst, I actually like this

We killed Verdance

More specifically, TJ did

When I left a couple hours before rollover, the only vote for the elim kill was mine on Qian

I was just reading our doc, and TJ proposed changing the kill to Verdance since he claimed Qian was on Sel with him

@Qianweilian confirm please

I’m not sure who to kill

@Myst, why was your plan to kill pseudo elims?

Wel it started as an accident. I didn’t know Xino was Elim. And then I had 96 hours before I had to submit my NK, and during that time I didn’t see anyone trying to go after Elims. There were a few votes on you at several points but they never really went anywhere(except for striker C1 where it was a 50/50)

And so I was like “huh, why isn’t anyone doing that?” I felt like an Meta elim going for a village win would’ve tried to “accidentally” exe an Elim in the Psuedo game. The closest we got to that was Striker, and I actually think Striker is M-village

16 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

For me, you killing Xino is a secondary issue. It was the fact that you let an assumption that Coder was Xino's killer fester in the thread which led to Coder getting exed. Sure, you can say you argued against his exe all you like, but at the end of the day, you ended up voting him out when all you had to do was claim you killed Xino. You lied by omission to get Coder exed in the meta-game, which is the most suspicious thing. 

Also, there is inconsistency in Myst's statements. They started the game theorising that the meta-elims have bet on pseudo-village victory. You can find the posts here - 

And Myst says nothing in his posts after this to suggest that he has changed his assumption. Now for the sake of his defence, conveniently he's changed the script that he wanted to kill pseudo-elims because he thought thought meta-elims bet on pseudo-elim victory. We know this is inconsistent with his previous thoughts from the posts above. 

You do realize that the reason Hoid was advocating for a Coder exe was because He was trying to figure out if Striker’s last minute vote switch was an attempt to save a meta Elim teammate right?

Yeah, you’re right, I’ve been changing my assumption on who I thought would win. But this is the second time I’ve changed it.

During N0 I very vocally said I thought they would bet on an elim win.

During C1 of both cycles I vocally said they bet on a village win

And now C2 of both games I’ve been saying they bet on an Elim win.

This isn’t new. You could’ve made this argument last cycle.

The quotes you chose are from Psuedo cycle 1 but you’re ignoring everything I said N0. I’ve argued a lot for both sides. Both in thread, and in PMs and in world docs

So like, that inconsistency isn’t new.

edit: sorry, I got the order mixed up with my arguing, it was Elim win N0, Village win C1, and Elim win C2

Edited June 2 by Myst