coco.pudding she/they Posted March 29 Posted March 29 Yeah so Wahr here is the post where I said I would put positives on Mist and Twin. In a later post I also said I would likely keep those the same. So I’m not really sure where you’re getting these ideas. Especially since that’s now three people saying you’re wrong about who’s lying.
Doc12 Posted March 29 Posted March 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said: So apparently we have already abbandoned the idea of sharing vote and having accountability. I unfortunately didnt take notes on who claimed to vote for whom But scanning the thread and using Docs last Vote count I have created an hopefully accurated Table regarding who people claimed to vote and who they voted, if I missed something please let me now (and link the relevant post) Things to Note, Aman apparently lied completely. I dont like that since he is the one that proposed it. He warned us that there was Missinformation in his posted Votes but I had assumed there would be truth to it none the less. Grass lied about 1 of 3 votes (10/30) Coco lied about 2 of 5 votes (12/30) Twin lied about 1 of 6 votes (5/30) Qian lied about 1 of 2 votes (15/30) TUM did not lie about any Votes, if hed did it would have been an instant red flag for me. I could see an Coco / Twin e/e pair considering they lied about voting each other So in order to get the Vote sharing back on here are my current votes Positives: TUM and TJ (appreciate the honesty and TUM sticking to the acountability) Negatives: Aman, coco, Doc (dont like how much Aman and Coco have lied about their votes, Doc is still under generall suspicion) Now if anyone points out mistakes I made, I will gladly correct them and depending on the Mistake am Open to changing my current votes Hey, I appreciate the wariness, but also have I actually done anything this game to warrant actual suspicion? I haven't lied about my votes, I've asked questions, I've shared my owl mail. That's all I can really do, yeah? Wariness is good, I'm wary of a lot of people, but also it's a little irrational to be putting - points on people just for previous games. Yes, I expressed wariness of Coco and TUM for games I've played with them in the past, but I'm also taking actual steps to prod them and give them ways to earn my trust/suspicion without automatically saying 'I suspect you because you've been evil the past few games' As for who I'm voting this cycle, its Ink, Miss Fallen, and Mint. 3 hours ago, Through The Living Grass said: that said, if I die this cycle, someone Owl Mail me, I have a test running right now that should hard clear at least one person. If you die this cycle, you're the one sending the Owl Mail. I received messages from Mist and Araris, not the other way round. @Archer what's the inactivity filter like this game? Just checking for Emperor's sake. For the record of Non-Slytherins, they sent 2 PMs last cycle but have not been in thread. EDIT: Clarifying my reasons for voting right now: Ink, Miss Fallen, and Mint for me occupy an interesting dynamic where they kind of link to each other in their votes. Ink voted -3 on Araris and +2 on Mint. Notably the only person who gave Mint any points at all. @Through the Living Ink I see your post where you said -1 to Aman and a positive on Mint. Could you explain the rest of your votes? Mint voted +3 to Fallen. I've already expressed my confusion on why Fallen is ranked higher than Mist when they have never directly interacted Fallen voted -1 to Ink. Again, where is this from? Her votes are +2 to me, +1 to Mist, who people were widely v!reading, and her -votes were to Ink, which no one has mentioned, and -2 to TUM, who was widely suspected. Ink has not said much, why the - to Ink when there are more people who are widely suspected? Notably, Mippo was the only other person to give points to Ink, a -2. Possible fourth. Edited March 29 by Doc12
Doc12 Posted March 29 Posted March 29 EDIT 2 There are a couple other interesting one offs. 1) Wahr is the only person who had Twin in their votes with a -2, but that was probably because Aman was going after Twin for a bit. At this point I don't suspect Wahr yet. I like their push on accountability. 2) Despite most people agreeing they were village, Qian only received votes from one person, Coco with +3
Archer he/him Posted March 29 Author Posted March 29 16 minutes ago, Doc12 said: @Archer what's the inactivity filter like this game? I've got a few pinch hitter signups, so if people need to be replaced, I'll do that. In response to a PM question, there are no secret roles in this game.
Qianweilian He/him Posted March 29 Posted March 29 5 minutes ago, Doc12 said: Despite most people agreeing they were village, Qian only received votes from one person, Coco with +3 Honestly, I don't know why everyone is trusting me so much. I mean, I am village, but it's a shock from last game where, as soon as I posted, everyone was accusing me.
coco.pudding she/they Posted March 30 Posted March 30 1 hour ago, Doc12 said: 2) Despite most people agreeing they were village, Qian only received votes from one person, Coco with +3 Yeah that is interesting. Most people seemed to agree he was village, more than anyone else. I was very surprised more people didn’t vote for him. Anyone who thought he was village, care to explain?
Miss Fallen she/her Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 22 hours ago, Doc12 said: 3) @Miss Fallen no one else put a vote on Ink but you with a -1, what's your thought on Ink? 1) @Doc12 to answer your concerns(sorry it took so long) I was really just guessing. I don’t remember anything particular thing that made me think Ink. However, with this being my first game I’ve been hesitant of all the trains going on. That was definitely part of it. 2) Coco and Aman seem suspicious. Aman flat out accuses coco(we know it’s a joke and Archer has said no secret roles). Then based on 1 statement from TUM(which could be read as Aman interpreted it or just a desire to have real information put out, not suspicious roles and confusion, or smth else), they discuss things and Aman supports coco. [see pg 3 this is way too long to quote] So are they working together or what? If they are, then I’d highly suspect them both as elims. 3) How did Mist know he was going to be targeted? He and Ver talked abt how Mist was resigned to dying, but I don’t remember anything in thread (unless I missed something in which case share your thoughts/tell me what I missed). @Through The Living Grass, did Mist tell you why he thought he’d die c1? Edited March 30 by Miss Fallen
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 19 hours ago, Amanuensis said: coco Doc Twin TJ Hopper mippo Wahr Coma Ink Vergrass TUM Mint Miss Qian All my votes will be within the red and green ranges. Edited March 30 by Amanuensis
Verdance he/him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, Miss Fallen said: 1) @Doc12 to answer your concerns(sorry it took so long) I was really just guessing. I don’t remember anything particular thing that made me think Ink. However, with this being my first game I’ve been hesitant of all the trains going on. That was definitely part of it. 2) Coco and Aman seem suspicious. Aman flat out accuses coco(we know it’s a joke and Archer has said no secret roles). Then based on 1 statement from TUM(which could be read as Aman interpreted it or just a desire to have real information put out, not suspicious roles and confusion, or smth else), they discuss things and Aman supports coco. [see pg 3 this is way too long to quote] So are they working together or what? If they are, then I’d highly suspect them both as elims. 3) How did Mist know he was going to be targeted? He and Ver talked abt how Mist was resigned to dying, but I don’t remember anything in thread (unless I missed something in which case share your thoughts/tell me what I missed). @Through The Living Grass, did Mist tell you why he thought he’d die c1? he thought that they would try and get rid of us both wuickly as an easy way to get rid of a prefect. And then we tied, played a game of chess, and i won, getting the decision, and gave him prefect. Which was the wrong decision. Edited March 30 by Through The Living Grass
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) @Archer if someone is alone in a House, can they self-vote for Prefect? Or does it transfer by default (either immediately or after a cycle)? Edited March 30 by Amanuensis
Doc12 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 34 minutes ago, Through The Living Grass said: this is a direct quote: And then we tied, played a game of chess, and i won, getting the decision, and gave him prefect. Which was the wrong decision. I will say, general SE Rules are that we don't copy/paste directly from PMs, so you should probably edit that to be a paraphrase. Still. Is that Mist voting for you to be prefect with the bolded yellow? Additionally, Mist was pretty sure he'd be NK'd N1 and said you should be prefect, and you still said it should be him?
Verdance he/him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 4 minutes ago, Doc12 said: I will say, general SE Rules are that we don't copy/paste directly from PMs, so you should probably edit that to be a paraphrase. Still. Is that Mist voting for you to be prefect with the bolded yellow? Additionally, Mist was pretty sure he'd be NK'd N1 and said you should be prefect, and you still said it should be him? Ooh, okay. Will do yes? Idk. yes, i didn’t believe he would be killed cause i didnt think elims would ruin my PM as a newbie, and thought he could use it. Refer to Quote Yeah, i screwed up badly last round, didnt really think the elims would kill Mist cause that would just leave me alone, so I voted +3 for him in hopes he would get us Friendship or Owl Mail, on top of being the prefect, since he’s more experienced. But apparently elims padded his positive votes, and no one was as suspicious of him as i thought, so his points went completely to waste.
Archer he/him Posted March 30 Author Posted March 30 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: @Archer if someone is alone in a House, can they self-vote for Prefect? Or does it transfer by default (either immediately or after a cycle)? If no one votes, it is randomly assigned. The lone member would be elected. Prefect doesn't transfer once assigned. If a Prefect dies, they are not replaced. @Through The Living Grass please edit your post to remove direct quoting. You can summarize in your own words only. Edit: Thanks Edited March 30 by Archer
Doc12 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, Miss Fallen said: 1) @Doc12 to answer your concerns(sorry it took so long) I was really just guessing. I don’t remember anything particular thing that made me think Ink. However, with this being my first game I’ve been hesitant of all the trains going on. That was definitely part of it. 2) Coco and Aman seem suspicious. Aman flat out accuses coco(we know it’s a joke and Archer has said no secret roles). Then based on 1 statement from TUM(which could be read as Aman interpreted it or just a desire to have real information put out, not suspicious roles and confusion, or smth else), they discuss things and Aman supports coco. [see pg 3 this is way too long to quote] So are they working together or what? If they are, then I’d highly suspect them both as elims. 3) How did Mist know he was going to be targeted? He and Ver talked abt how Mist was resigned to dying, but I don’t remember anything in thread (unless I missed something in which case share your thoughts/tell me what I missed). @Through The Living Grass, did Mist tell you why he thought he’d die c1? Okay, but why did Ink stand out to you? Could you point to a post or interaction you had with them that made you think they were possibly elim? I'm just asking because, again, no one else seemed to notice Ink and put a vote on them except for you. @Through The Living Grass Does the fact that you misunderstood how Owl Mail works change your 'reaction test'? To reiterate, you said if you died this cycle someone should send you Mail, but its the expelled player sending the mail, ie: you if you died. @Amanuensis So how's that reveal you promised coming along? Very interested to hear the results of your 'secret role' Edited March 30 by Doc12
Verdance he/him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doc12 said: Okay, but why did Ink stand out to you? Could you point to a post or interaction you had with them that made you think they were possibly elim? I'm just asking because, again, no one else seemed to notice Ink and put a vote on them except for you. @Through The Living Grass Does the fact that you misunderstood how Owl Mail works change your 'reaction test'? To reiterate, you said if you died this cycle someone should send you Mail, but its the expelled player sending the mail, ie: you if you died. Hm? Mist was killed by elims, right? Not expelled, that was Araris, right? How did whoever it was talk with him ? Edited March 30 by Through The Living Grass
Doc12 Posted March 30 Posted March 30 Just now, Through The Living Grass said: Hm? Mist was killed by elims, right? Not expelled? I mean, same difference? Removed from game. If you died/got expelled, no one is sending you mail, you're sending mail to the player who got the Owl Mail perk. I got it this turn, so I got messages from Araris and Mist. I couldn't send messages to them.
Verdance he/him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 Just now, Doc12 said: I mean, same difference? Removed from game. If you died/got expelled, no one is sending you mail, you're sending mail to the player who got the Owl Mail perk. I got it this turn, so I got messages from Araris and Mist. I couldn't send messages to them. Yes, that’s what I meant. However, im realizing the elims may choose to kill me for the wrong reason, which would undermine the test.
Miss Fallen she/her Posted March 30 Posted March 30 13 minutes ago, Doc12 said: Okay, but why did Ink stand out to you? Could you point to a post or interaction you had with them that made you think they were possibly elim? I'm just asking because, again, no one else seemed to notice Ink and put a vote on them except for you. Like I said, it was largely guessing. I think I first noticed Ink when looking at different people within the houses, because everyone was debating the possibility of 1 elim per house. Plus I was disinclined to join the trains without fully understanding the reasonings myself. Hope this clears that up. I’ve got suspicions now though, so Ink’s safe from me
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 5 hours ago, Doc12 said: Hey, I appreciate the wariness, but also have I actually done anything this game to warrant actual suspicion? I haven't lied about my votes, I've asked questions, I've shared my owl mail. That's all I can really do, yeah? Wariness is good, I'm wary of a lot of people, but also it's a little irrational to be putting - points on people just for previous games. Yes, I expressed wariness of Coco and TUM for games I've played with them in the past, but I'm also taking actual steps to prod them and give them ways to earn my trust/suspicion without automatically saying 'I suspect you because you've been evil the past few games' As for who I'm voting this cycle, its Ink, Miss Fallen, and Mint. If you die this cycle, you're the one sending the Owl Mail. I received messages from Mist and Araris, not the other way round. @Archer what's the inactivity filter like this game? Just checking for Emperor's sake. For the record of Non-Slytherins, they sent 2 PMs last cycle but have not been in thread. EDIT: Clarifying my reasons for voting right now: Ink, Miss Fallen, and Mint for me occupy an interesting dynamic where they kind of link to each other in their votes. Ink voted -3 on Araris and +2 on Mint. Notably the only person who gave Mint any points at all. @Through the Living Ink I see your post where you said -1 to Aman and a positive on Mint. Could you explain the rest of your votes? Mint voted +3 to Fallen. I've already expressed my confusion on why Fallen is ranked higher than Mist when they have never directly interacted Fallen voted -1 to Ink. Again, where is this from? Her votes are +2 to me, +1 to Mist, who people were widely v!reading, and her -votes were to Ink, which no one has mentioned, and -2 to TUM, who was widely suspected. Ink has not said much, why the - to Ink when there are more people who are widely suspected? Notably, Mippo was the only other person to give points to Ink, a -2. Possible fourth. Yeah, you are probably right that I shoulnt continue to vote for you without any reason. Will remove my Negative vote on you
Ink and Embers Any pronouns Posted March 30 Posted March 30 7 hours ago, Doc12 said: Ink voted -3 on Araris and +2 on Mint. Notably the only person who gave Mint any points at all. @Through the Living Ink I see your post where you said -1 to Aman and a positive on Mint. Could you explain the rest of your votes? Hello! Uh oh, time to explain my utterly nonsensical votes. Most of them genuinely had no logic behind them; I was curious to see what happened. No, there is no further logic to it. Yes, I'm an idiot. I said I would vote -1 on Aman and positive on Mint but actually voted +2 Mint, +1 Aman. Aman was planning to make himself ML bait, which he mentioned in PMs and afterwards here, so I was trying to help by claiming to vote negatively on him. I didn't actually want him to die though so I voted positively for him and negatively for Araris. Having briefly interacted with Mint in PMs, I don't have any strong guesses as to her alignment one way or another. I think I'm going to go hit my head against a wall now. I'm having a brilliant time; I just have no idea what I'm doing. 2
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 1 hour ago, Through the Living Ink said: Hello! Uh oh, time to explain my utterly nonsensical votes. Most of them genuinely had no logic behind them; I was curious to see what happened. No, there is no further logic to it. Yes, I'm an idiot. I said I would vote -1 on Aman and positive on Mint but actually voted +2 Mint, +1 Aman. Aman was planning to make himself ML bait, which he mentioned in PMs and afterwards here, so I was trying to help by claiming to vote negatively on him. I didn't actually want him to die though so I voted positively for him and negatively for Araris. Having briefly interacted with Mint in PMs, I don't have any strong guesses as to her alignment one way or another. I think I'm going to go hit my head against a wall now. I'm having a brilliant time; I just have no idea what I'm doing. Taking a break from my 3D modeling project. Really can't stay long but figured this is worth commenting on. I believe I mentioned I filled Gryffindor in on some elements of my plan near the end of the last cycle. I gave them free will to vote as they wished (I said I wanted to save Araris but if they suspected him, I wouldn't force them not to). I was hoping all three of us could coordinate on another target in the off chance there is no Gryffinmole, but I was at work so mostly focused on the thread whenever I could use my phone. I still believe there were better kills than Mist last night but my top priority at that moment was trying to derail that possibility, or at least sow doubt. Depending on the elim team, they might have finalized the order to spite me I still think Mint is the most suspicious of the Gryffindors, but that's mostly based on Ink reading very pure in the House PM more than anything Mint has explicitly said or done. Well, I think it's awfully suspicious Mint withheld her -3 as if to not tip the exe too far away from Araris/me + she used a +2 on Mist, but yeah. ED1T: I do also think there was enough talk about e!Miss Fallen that it's very possible the +3 vote by Mint was to make sure Ravenclaw didn't gang up on her teammate and get her killed, possibly after I brought up going for a smaller House. Fallen withheld her strongest votes as well and also contributed a +1 to Mist. I do personally think certain player profiles would hedge their votes on the margins as to not seem to obvious. ED2T: Oh, and @Through the living Wahr, both @Through the Living Ink and @Frozen Mint can also confirm I PM'd my accurate votes well in advance, other than telling them Coco -3 and Doc -2 (I swapped the two hoping to find a Doc/Coco + Ink/Mint pairing), if you still care about all that Edited March 30 by Amanuensis
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) ED4T: (1-3) Mint: Aman (1-3), (1-3) Miss: Aman (1-3), (1-3) TUM: Aman (1-3), (1-3) Qian: Aman (1-3), Here's an idea. Rather than one person keeping track of the vote count, everyone should just add their "projected" votes to the list of the last person to update it. That way everyone can personally modify the VC according to their preferences, or just ignore it completely. Edited March 30 by Amanuensis
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Oh, and @Through the living Wahr, both @Through the Living Ink and @Frozen Mint can also confirm I PM'd my accurate votes well in advance, other than telling them Coco -3 and Doc -2 (I swapped the two hoping to find a Doc/Coco + Ink/Mint pairing), if you still care about all that I dont care that much about the Votes cast last Cycle, since my retrospective count of them seems somewhat inacurate, which makes it not particualarly usefull. But this Cycle I will keep Track of them so I can make a more usefull comparison next Cycle. But the amount of people that have shared their votes so far is not very big. (You and Doc) Edited March 30 by Through the living Wahr
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: I dont care that much about the Votes cast last Cycle, since my retrospective count of them seems somewhat inacurate, which makes it not particualarly usefull. But this Cycle I will keep Track of them so I can make a more usefull comparison next Cycle. But the amount of people that have shared their votes so far is not very big. (You and Doc) Oh right. I should look at Doc's votes. I think we had a mind meld again. There were some C1 posts of his that were very reminiscent of LG110, but he keeps going out of his way to actively solve without prompting and notices many of the same angles I've seen. Possible he was just shaking off the blood. I consider my -3 revenge for his +2 at this point. (2-6) Mint: Doc12 (1-3), Aman (1-3), (2-6) Miss: Doc12 (1-3), Aman (1-3), (1-3) Ink: Doc12 (1-3), (1-3) TUM: Aman (1-3), (1-3) Qian: Aman (1-3), Since you're around, maybe we can have some back and forth to get a better feel of each other. Although I do think you are probably village anyway. If you were elim, would you feel comfortable voting your teammates, either positively or negatively? Would you try to avoid it to limit connective data points? Would you go for the max benefit? Would you do some soft distancing with 1s and 2s? Edited March 30 by Amanuensis
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 30 Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Oh right. I should look at Doc's votes. I think we had a mind meld again. There were some C1 posts of his that were very reminiscent, but he keeps going out of his way to actively solve without prompting and notices many of the same angles I've seen. I consider my -3 revenge for his +2 at this point. (2-6) Mint: Doc12 (1-3), Aman (1-3), (2-6) Miss: Doc12 (1-3), Aman (1-3), (1-3) Ink: Doc12 (1-3), (1-3) TUM: Aman (1-3), (1-3) Qian: Aman (1-3), Since you're around, maybe we can have some back and forth to get a better feel of each other. Although I do think you are probably village anyway. If you were elim, would you feel comfortable voting your teammates, either positively or negatively? Would you try to avoid it to limit connective data points? Would you go for the max benefit? Would you do some soft distancing with 1s and 2s? (Well technically I should be working right now) If I were elim, which I am not. I would avoid Votes that would seem strange to the Generall thread, depending on the situation, I would try to avoid voting teammates but depending on the situation could do it to not stand out to much.
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