LG110, Day 1-D: The Final Day (Inverted)

[Amanuensis he/him]

Players will be executed and flipped upon reaching 10 votes.

• (7/10) Stick: Mistfallen, coco, Drake, Divergent, Araris, Archer, TJ, 
• (2/10) Doc: Wahrheit, Hael, 
• (2/10) Hael: Doc, Stick, 

[Haelbarde he/him]

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

Ed1t: VC was 7-4 before any vote manip. Even if the vote shift was the other way around it would been 6-5 and Stick would have still died. There's nothing important here. 

I don't entirely agree.

• Araris, TJ, Stick, Wonko, Drake, Divergent, Archer all died L2 for the first time, so started L3 with 20.
• Ash died L1 & L2 so started L3 with 50.
• TUM, Wahr died L1, starting L2 with 20 rupees. Rupee max would have allowed for 50 rupees L3.
• Coco, Hael, Doc, Burnt, Mist, Twin had not died by L3D1

TUM and Wahr are confirmed villagers so have no reason to lie. Ash is too, but also died before the Keaton Mask was used, so doubly cannot have it.

Coco and Twin died before L3D3, plus Coco being executed before being able to buy anything L3D1 and Twin not having posted enough to have had much more than 20 rupees, if that, so neither could have purchased the Keaton mask.

Burnt provably had the Stone Mask, so unless we're saying Burnt had 100 rupees and purchased the Keaton mask L3N1 she didn't have it. Plus, wearing the Stone Mask would have made her unable to equip and use the Keaton mask.

That leaves Doc, Hael, and Mist.

Hael (me) was the least active of the three. My claimed rupee counts don't allow for me to have afforded it, but let's investigate the possibility that I am lying about my rupee income.

• If I made max rupees L1, I'd be at 40 going into L2.
• During L2, I did not post during N2, D3, N3, and I only posted once during D2. Even without checking my posts from D1/N1, My max potential earnings from L2 is 11 rupees, taking me to 51 rupees at the start of L3.
• Rupee max L3D1 could have gotten me to 61.

60 rupees does not win me Captain's + Keaton.

So for me to have the Keaton Mask, a living elim on D3 who is not Burnt has to have the Captain's hat and be doing some insane coordination with me. The elim pools from the result of L2 were <Drake/Stick>, <Hael, Doc, Burnt, Coco, Twin, Mist>. Burnt had stone, Drake, Coco, Twin were dead. The only other living elim candidates beyond Burnt and I were Stick and Doc.

If Doc's an elim paired with me, then the whole matter is kinda moot, and Doc is a safe vote. Or if this is a question of whether Doc had a silver mask, this world requires Doc to have the Captain's hat and so not the MoT/GFM.

The only other option is a Stick / Hael combo where Stick has the Captain's mask.

Which she verifiably did not. I was still active in the dead doc during N3 after her death, and if that fact has not already been verified, I am sure that Ash, Drake, and Coco can all confirm that for you.

So either I had the Captain's mask, or we are in a Doc / Hael world where Doc did not buy a silver mask. In that world, just execute Doc, and work out which of Stick or Drake is the elim.

So then, if I cannot have had the Keaton mask, we are left with Doc and Mist as the only candidates for Keaton's, so consequently either:

• Doc purchased the Keaton mask.
  • This means he cannot have purchased the GFM or the MoT
  • This means he must be lying about scanning me evil.
  • This means the elim plans for L3 were not based on the expectation of having a resurrection.
• Mist purchased the Keaton mask.
  • Given they are still claiming the Gibdo Mask this turn, suggests Mist is an elim.
    • This is the only world in which Doc possibly achieves a silver mask.
      • v!Doc gets MoT and scans me as an elim.
        • Agreed that this is the one world in which a Hael vote makes more sense than a Doc vote. But in this world Mist / Hael is e/e, so why does e!Mist insist on killing e!Hael over v!Doc? This strongly suggests we are not in this world.
      • e!Doc probably gets GFM
        • I don't see how Doc / Mist pairing doesn't get a NK off and win L3.

To summarise:

• The only world in which Hael does not have Captain's Hat is a Doc / Hael e/e world.
• Mist getting Keaton implies e!Mist and allows for v!Doc, but e!Mist would want v!Doc dead over Hael, so e!Mist implies e!Doc
• Otherwise, Doc is elim as he bought Keaton instead of a silver mask, and elims did not base L3 strategy around the GFM

So I guess, @Mistfallen Soldier, how about those numbers? As far as I can tell, any world where I am evil require Doc also to be evil, or you to be evil, and your only reasonable vote is on Doc. 

Edit 1: (Added the line about Wahr, TUM, and Ash being confirmed villagers after the initial set of dot points)

Edit 2:

I guess we may as resolve the Stick thing first at this point, and get back to Doc after.

Edited March 19 by Haelbarde
Forgot to state the obvious about confirmed villagers.

[Myst He/Him]

10 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

I don't entirely agree.

• Araris, TJ, Stick, Wonko, Drake, Divergent, Archer all died L2 for the first time, so started L3 with 20.
• Ash died L1 & L2 so started L3 with 50.
• TUM, Wahr died L1, starting L2 with 20 rupees. Rupee max would have allowed for 50 rupees L3.
• Coco, Hael, Doc, Burnt, Mist, Twin had not died by L3D1

TUM and Wahr are confirmed villagers so have no reason to lie. Ash is too, but also died before the Keaton Mask was used, so doubly cannot have it.

Coco and Twin died before L3D3, plus Coco being executed before being able to buy anything L3D1 and Twin not having posted enough to have had much more than 20 rupees, if that, so neither could have purchased the Keaton mask.

Burnt provably had the Stone Mask, so unless we're saying Burnt had 100 rupees and purchased the Keaton mask L3N1 she didn't have it. Plus, wearing the Stone Mask would have made her unable to equip and use the Keaton mask.

That leaves Doc, Hael, and Mist.

Hael (me) was the least active of the three. My claimed rupee counts don't allow for me to have afforded it, but let's investigate the possibility that I am lying about my rupee income.

• If I made max rupees L1, I'd be at 40 going into L2.
• During L2, I did not post during N2, D3, N3, and I only posted once during D2. Even without checking my posts from D1/N1, My max potential earnings from L2 is 11 rupees, taking me to 51 rupees at the start of L3.
• Rupee max L3D1 could have gotten me to 61.

60 rupees does not win me Captain's + Keaton.

So for me to have the Keaton Mask, a living elim on D3 who is not Burnt has to have the Captain's hat and be doing some insane coordination with me. The elim pools from the result of L2 were <Drake/Stick>, <Hael, Doc, Burnt, Coco, Twin, Mist>. Burnt had stone, Drake, Coco, Twin were dead. The only other living elim candidates beyond Burnt and I were Stick and Doc.

If Doc's an elim paired with me, then the whole matter is kinda moot, and Doc is a safe vote. Or if this is a question of whether Doc had a silver mask, this world requires Doc to have the Captain's hat and so not the MoT/GFM.

The only other option is a Stick / Hael combo where Stick has the Captain's mask.

Which she verifiably did not. I was still active in the dead doc during N3 after her death, and if that fact has not already been verified, I am sure that Ash, Drake, and Coco can all confirm that for you.

So either I had the Captain's mask, or we are in a Doc / Hael world where Doc did not buy a silver mask. In that world, just execute Doc, and work out which of Stick or Drake is the elim.

So then, if I cannot have had the Keaton mask, we are left with Doc and Mist as the only candidates for Keaton's, so consequently either:

• Doc purchased the Keaton mask.
  • This means he cannot have purchased the GFM or the MoT
  • This means he must be lying about scanning me evil.
  • This means the elim plans for L3 were not based on the expectation of having a resurrection.
• Mist purchased the Keaton mask.
  • Given they are still claiming the Gibdo Mask this turn, suggests Mist is an elim.
    • This is the only world in which Doc possibly achieves a silver mask.
      • v!Doc gets MoT and scans me as an elim.
        • Agreed that this is the one world in which a Hael vote makes more sense than a Doc vote. But in this world Mist / Hael is e/e, so why does e!Mist insist on killing e!Hael over v!Doc? This strongly suggests we are not in this world.
      • e!Doc probably gets GFM
        • I don't see how Doc / Mist pairing doesn't get a NK off and win L3.

To summarise:

• The only world in which Hael does not have Captain's Hat is a Doc / Hael e/e world.
• Mist getting Keaton implies e!Mist and allows for v!Doc, but e!Mist would want v!Doc dead over Hael, so e!Mist implies e!Doc
• Otherwise, Doc is elim as he bought Keaton instead of a silver mask, and elims did not base L3 strategy around the GFM

So I guess, @Mistfallen Soldier, how about those numbers? As far as I can tell, any world where I am evil require Doc also to be evil, or you to be evil, and your only reasonable vote is on Doc. 

Edit 1: (Added the line about Wahr, TUM, and Ash being confirmed villagers after the initial set of dot points)

Edit 2:

I guess we may as resolve the Stick thing first at this point, and get back to Doc after.

Again. Your numbers claim that some of your posts did not count towards your rupee count. I can’t verify that, meaning I can’t discount you from being able to afford Keaton

[Haelbarde he/him]

8 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Again. Your numbers claim that some of your posts did not count towards your rupee count. I can’t verify that, meaning I can’t discount you from being able to afford Keaton

If you read my post, you don't have to verify whether my posts counted for rupees or not. If I did not post at all during L2N2, L2D3, L2N3, I cannot have achieved enough rupees for Keaton and Captains even if I got the rupee max every turn I did post. 

Which is why I then explored how how e!Hael with the Keaton mask instead of the Captain's Hat works:

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So for me to have the Keaton Mask, a living elim on D3 who is not Burnt has to have the Captain's hat and be doing some insane coordination with me. The elim pools from the result of L2 were <Drake/Stick>, <Hael, Doc, Burnt, Coco, Twin, Mist>. Burnt had stone, Drake, Coco, Twin were dead. The only other living elim candidates beyond Burnt and I were Stick and Doc.

Do you disagree that the only elim candidates living during L3D3 who could have collaborated with me by them having the Captain's Mask are Doc and Stick?

Do you disagree that Stick could not have had the Captain's Mask as I was still able to communicate with the dead during L3N3?

Do you disagree that if I had the Keaton Mask then I could only do so if Doc was the other eliminator with the Captain's Mask?

Edited March 19 by Haelbarde

[Myst He/Him]

5 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

Do you disagree that the only elim candidates living during L3D3 who could have collaborated with me by them having the Captain's Mask are Doc and Stick?

Do you disagree that Stick could not have had the Captain's Mask as I was still able to communicate with the dead during L3N3?

Do you disagree then that if I had the Keaton Mask that I could only do so if Doc was the other eliminator and had the Captain's Mask?

Yep. To the first one

No to the second, I don’t know that. Never during N3C do you mention anything from the dead doc. Until someone else(Drake, Ash, etc) says you were active in the dead doc that night, I have no reason to believe you were

And, since I don’t buy your second line, I can’t agree with the third. 

Edited March 19 by Mistfallen Soldier

[Ashbringer he/him]

5 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Until someone else(Drake, Ash, etc) says you were active in the dead doc that night, I have no reason to believe you were

Believe him

[Myst He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Believe him

So Hael and Stick did say stuff during N3C

Alright then. In that case yes, either you or Doc had to have the Captains mask, and if you had it Doc had Keaton(a very weird choice of mask) which means he’s Elim, or he had Captain and you’re both Elim. 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Geez, a lot happened today, huh. I still need to read like 4 pages of backlog. but my most important thing that no one seems to be aware of is this:

@Mistfallen Soldier, it is impossible to buy two masks. The rules imply that it can be done, but I confirmed early in the game that Aman had changed that part of the rules; during my calculations about the Fierce Deity Mask. He confirmed that it was 100% impossible to own both the Bunny Hood and the Postman's Hat, because once you got a mask you were disqualified from buying another.

That means Keaton HAD to be in your possession, or Doc's. No one else could possibly have had it.

[Doc12]

I'm apparently a very hot topic of discussion. Everyone's trying to count my rupees and discuss what I could or could not have done. I don't have the brain to go through everything, so just storming exe me and I can chill in the dead doc or something. I've already done my job and given you guys an elim. I know I'm village, but you guys just need to exe 2 elims.  I'm sure you guys can manage to exe another elim. Whatever. It'll be nice to be in dead doc. 

 

 

Edited March 19 by Doc12

[Myst He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Geez, a lot happened today, huh. I still need to read like 4 pages of backlog. but my most important thing that no one seems to be aware of is this:

@Mistfallen Soldier, it is impossible to buy two masks. The rules imply that it can be done, but I confirmed early in the game that Aman had changed that part of the rules; during my calculations about the Fierce Deity Mask. He confirmed that it was 100% impossible to own both the Bunny Hood and the Postman's Hat, because once you got a mask you were disqualified from buying another.

That means Keaton HAD to be in your possession, or Doc's. No one else could possibly have had it.

We were factoring that in, no one even had the rupees to buy both masks anyways(except for doc) 

2 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I'm apparently a very hot topic of discussion. Everyone's trying to count my rupees and discuss what I could or could not have done. I don't have the brain to go through everything, so just storming exe me and I can chill in the dead doc or something. I've already done my job and given you guys an elim. I know I'm village, but you guys just need to exe 2 elims.  I'm sure you guys can manage to exe another elim. Whatever. It'll be nice to be in dead doc. 

 

 

Actually we need 3

[TwinStorm He/Him]

I don't really understand whats going on, but it seems advantageous for the village to execute somebody decisively

Stick. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

Players will be executed and flipped upon reaching 10 votes.

• (9/10) Stick: Mistfallen, coco, Drake, Divergent, Araris, Archer, TJ, Hael, Twin,
• (2/10) Hael: Doc, Stick, 
• (1/10) Doc: Wahrheit, 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Okay, I'm caught up. Oddly enough, I'm currently more convinced of Doc than Stick. Keaton math pretty much proves that Doc had the mask, unless we're in a Hael/Mist world, in which case the surrender is kind of wild. However, I'm left with the question of what, exactly, motivates Keaton!Doc to shift the vote onto e!Stick. The only thing I can come up with is that they'd already decided to surrender, and he was just goofing around.

To further boost my opinion on Doc, I want to bring up his PM data again, which conclusively shows e/e messages sent via PM. That means that either Doc is an eliminator, or Burnt sent those PMs without having info from the Postman. Yes, it's technically plausible that she did so just for fun, or else all on her own made the remarkable deduction that, counter to typical SE rules, the "tineye" in this game could see PM recipients. But just because it's plausible doesn't mean it's probable. The most likely explanation remains a Doc/Burnt team, in which Doc either lied about the PM data, or told Burnt early on about the fact he could see PM recipients.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

4 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

Wdym it wasn’t close? It was tied or different by one vote for most of the day iirc. That only changed at the very end with Archer’s vote.

um no Hael had a pretty significant lead for a lot of the day

take a look at Aman's tally with 9 hours to go, Hael had 8 votes and nobody else had more than 1

but if we think the elims were online at the end of the day then the vote not being close at the end is what matters

Whatever the case, this feels like quibbling. What's your takeaway from it? If we suppose you're correct and the vote was close, does that mean the elims wanted Stick to get executed? Does that mean Stick is village? You might have a difficult time convincing me of that

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Stick could not have gotten it, she would have been at 30 rupees at the very most (if she had max posts) by the night. 

4 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Yeah. As Coco said, Stick couldn’t have had it. Plus no village is claiming Keaton, meaning an Elim must have it

I don’t think the reasons for why Doc would have scents are convincing, so I think Hael had to have had it(assuming you V!read me)

Right, Keaton is 50 rupees, I forgot. Thought it was 20 for some reason.

Okay, then Doc probably did commit tax fraud.

I'm still not really concerned about it either way, because in my view there's just much bigger reasons why Doc is evil and Hael is village, that I feel you're ignoring. If your sense of proportionality doesn't agree, then I guess we'll just have to put it to a vote, sorry.

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, DrakeMarshall said:

um no Hael had a pretty significant lead for a lot of the day

take a look at Aman's tally with 9 hours to go, Hael had 8 votes and nobody else had more than 1

but if we think the elims were online at the end of the day then the vote not being close at the end is what matters

Whatever the case, this feels like quibbling. What's your takeaway from it? If we suppose you're correct and the vote was close, does that mean the elims wanted Stick to get executed? Does that mean Stick is village? You might have a difficult time convincing me of that

Right, Keaton is 50 rupees, I forgot. Thought it was 20 for some reason.

Okay, then Doc probably did commit tax fraud.

I'm still not really concerned about it either way, because in my view there's just much bigger reasons why Doc is evil and Hael is village, that I feel you're ignoring. If your sense of proportionality doesn't agree, then I guess we'll just have to put it to a vote, sorry.

I’ve been convinced since then, so after Stick we go Doc

[coco.pudding she/they]

5 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

um no Hael had a pretty significant lead for a lot of the day

take a look at Aman's tally with 9 hours to go, Hael had 8 votes and nobody else had more than 1

but if we think the elims were online at the end of the day then the vote not being close at the end is what matters

Whatever the case, this feels like quibbling. What's your takeaway from it? If we suppose you're correct and the vote was close, does that mean the elims wanted Stick to get executed? Does that mean Stick is village? You might have a difficult time convincing me of that

Right, Keaton is 50 rupees, I forgot. Thought it was 20 for some reason.

Okay, then Doc probably did commit tax fraud.

I'm still not really concerned about it either way, because in my view there's just much bigger reasons why Doc is evil and Hael is village, that I feel you're ignoring. If your sense of proportionality doesn't agree, then I guess we'll just have to put it to a vote, sorry.

Oops. Ig I’m just remembering the end of the day, when it did get very close and could have been decided with Bremen or Keaton. Which is probably why an elim (Doc most likely) went for Keaton. Honestly I don’t know. I believe you that stick is elim, so I doubt they wanted her exed.

Honestly I think right now we should focus less on the why (and Keaton) and more on the who, since we need to get all three of these correct.

(also can we do more RP I like this character)

Edited March 19 by coco.pudding

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

This time, when the Song came, Zymni was ready for it. She braced through the searing Light, and stood defiance as the laughter of the Demon King echoed in her...

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The Beast awakens in the maw of a leviathan, roaring out its defiance. Nearby refugees and travelers shriek as the tendrilled face erupts from the body of their companion, and a solid plate of Shadow congeals upon the Beast's face. 

A small, floating child looks up with shock as the Beast emerges, eyes narrowing behind an elaborate mask. The Beast ignores the child; it appears weak. But the mask is dangerous. The Beast is reminded of the Dark Interlopers and the Fused Shadow. It roars it's defiance at the mask that wears the floating child; this thing does not serve the Master. It must be dealt...

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The song finished, and Zymni found herself again in Thistle's cottage. She shivered, running her hand across her face to confirm that there was no plate of solid darkness resting there. Then, she rose, wrapped herself in scarves, and made her way to the Happy Mask Shop, wincing in the harsh glare of the Sun.

It was time to end this.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

5 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

I’ve been convinced since then, so after Stick we go Doc

oh

well, I think you're correct and smart then

it's not easy to change your mind, and I do actually appreciate that we hashed out reasons for different elim teams

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, DrakeMarshall said:

oh

well, I think you're correct and smart then

it's not easy to change your mind, and I do actually appreciate that we hashed out reasons for different elim teams

Well, Hael basically went like

-person with Keaton is elim

-if you don’t have it.

-if I have it, Doc has to be Elim for dead doc info

-otherwise doc has it and he’s Elim

And that was pretty convincing. Though, Doc, once the game is over, I’m going to need an answer on why you threw away a silver mask

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

21 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Well, Hael basically went like

-person with Keaton is elim

-if you don’t have it.

-if I have it, Doc has to be Elim for dead doc info

-otherwise doc has it and he’s Elim

And that was pretty convincing. Though, Doc, once the game is over, I’m going to need an answer on why you threw away a silver mask

I really don't think it's fair to say he "threw it away". If and when Doc bought Scents Loop 2, it was not at ALL clear that silver was on the table. At that point, all he had was a single Loop where he'd been the Postman. That's hardly a guaranteed silver mask that he threw away. Heck, in order to get silver he still would have had to be sure he could get Bunny, which was not really something he could control at that point.

[Myst He/Him]

21 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

I really don't think it's fair to say he "threw it away". If and when Doc bought Scents Loop 2, it was not at ALL clear that silver was on the table. At that point, all he had was a single Loop where he'd been the Postman. That's hardly a guaranteed silver mask that he threw away. Heck, in order to get silver he still would have had to be sure he could get Bunny, which was not really something he could control at that point.

He couldn’t have. If he bought Scents he couldn’t have gotten bunny. So he had to have gotten bunny then, otherwise he couldn’t have gotten Keaton 

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

4 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

He couldn’t have. If he bought Scents he couldn’t have gotten bunny. So he had to have gotten bunny then, otherwise he couldn’t have gotten Keaton 

Why couldn't he? He had 48 at the end of Loop A, -20 for Scents, +30 across Loop B means he'd have had 58 going into Loop C. That's plenty for both the Keaton Mask and all the PMs he sent Loop C.

[Doc12]

It was time to end this.

Thistle walked and walked, until they came upon the banks of a rushing river. 

They slipped their feet into the current. 

Dying... it had hurt. It was probably going to hurt this time too. 

But... Goddess. They were so, so tired. Carrying all that hurt loop after loop. Each loss of a friend breaking them piece by piece. 

They'd died. Actually died. And now they were back again, three days earlier. 

Their waist dipped below the water. Shockingly cold. 

It was selfish, they knew it was. But really, this was the best time. No one was going out of the gate to fight a monster today. They were just... debating. 

No one would miss them. 

And so, holding tightly to their favorite flowers, they slipped entirely into the river. 

No more loops. 

Just... peace. 

Edited March 19 by Doc12

[Myst He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said:

Why couldn't he? He had 48 at the end of Loop A, -20 for Scents, +30 across Loop B means he'd have had 58 going into Loop C. That's plenty for both the Keaton Mask and all the PMs he sent Loop C.

I’m pretty sure it was 43, not 48, gimme a sec, I’ll go check. Never mind, it was 47.

Okay yeah, that checks out. Well, we still don’t know exactly how Burnt got Stone. Perhaps Burnt got bunny then? That would explain how she got enough rupees for it, though I suppose she wouldn’t need to, as she would’ve had enough simply by not buying scents.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

Holy megapost incoming

Mist, you are so lucky you cannot possibly be an elim because nothing you said on pages 1-6 makes any sense

18 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said:

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^My life this game lol

Also i had forgotten that there was an actual owl in the games. 

That is very Duolingo coded

12 hours ago, |TJ| said:

I am convinced. This is Aman's revenge game against me for MR56 >>

I was a fool for signing up, a fool I say! 

(jk it's been so much fun :P)

This game definitely has those vibes, I always forget how annoying flipless games are 

11 hours ago, Amanuensis said:

Blackouts are fun, we should have another soon and I might play. Nothing quite like having zero clue about the mechanics

I might run my SE metagame as blackout, we'll see once I have the rules fleshed out

10 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

So Burnt is Dead, and as most of us Guessed she was actually elim (for anyone still confused read the white text)

 Now we need to determine the other two we are gonna exe.

There is exactly one e in Hael/Doc (Because of Docs Mask of truth Claim)

Hael/Drake are either e/e (a Ploy to missexe Stick and Prepare for L4) v/v or v/e (v!Hael Relays e!Drakes scan result) e/v isnt likely because e!Hael has no reason to out himself and relay v!Drakes results, bussing e!Stick

Stick/Drake contains one e (Deither Drake frames Stick or Stick did target Drake)

Also there is probably only one e in Mist/burnt (Burnts Scent Mask Ploy from D1C) softclearing Mist

There is at least 1 e in Drake/Twin/Coco/Stick (we won the loop and if only 5 people died there has to be only 1 elim in the dead Pool)

Among Dive/Wonko/TJ/Drake/Stick/Archer/Araris is Max 1 e (we lost the loop and 6 village deaths wouldnt be enough to Balance 2 elim deaths in the elims favor) in this specific scenario there is exactly 1 e in those people Stick or Drake

The following 

TUM, ASH, WAHR (hard cleared from L1)

Dive, Wonko, TJ, Archer, Araris (cleared from process of Elimination for L2 deaths)

Mistfallen (cleared from Process of Elimination Mist/Burnt)

Twin, Coco, (1 elim)

Hael, Doc, (1 elim)

Stick, Drake (1 elim)

I cannot See a World where both players of one of the yello Group are Paired.

(Twin and Coco cannot be Paare because the other two cannot be Paare and we are only searching three elims Burnt is already out and Confirmed

Possible Teams are therefore

Twin,Hael,Drake (Why did they surrender?)

Twin,Hael,Stick (to nonsensical, why does Hael choose to Bus Stick here?)

Twin,Doc,Drake

Twin,Doc,Stick

Coco,Hael,Drake (why did they surrender?)

Coco,Hael,Stick (to nonsensical, Why does hael choose to Bus Stick?)

Coco,Doc,Drake

Coco,Doc,Stick

(This just logic from relatively recent cycles I am Sure there are a few of these that are impossible based on some social interaction I am forgetting. Also most of this has probably been said by people already during this day but I needed to make this Post to make sense of it all)

I will go with Doc because none of the possible Hael Setups makes Sense in my oppinion.

I'd like to add to this analysis, which I largely agree with, there's no reason for e/e Doc/Drake to say he scanned Hael elim (let alone for why, when neither of them were that suspected relatively, they killed Drake) because they would have gotten an easy misexe on Stick 

9 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

So… the only way I can think of Keaton is existing is one of a few ways

1. I’m lying about having Gibdo(I’m not)

2. Doc’s lying about having mask of truth but got Keaton(weird because we know he had the rupees for a silver)

3 Burnt had 100 rupees(we all can agree that that is nonsense

4 Hael lied about captains(only possible if another Elim had captains and Stick had it or something(and they shared info through Elim doc) very unlikely)

5Coco, Twin, and Ash died before this took place.

So…. Either Doc didn’t go for a silver(despite being able to) or Hael and Stick did some stuff in the Elim doc.

anyone want to claim Keaton?

And, seeing how you literally can't be elim, that makes Doc the Keaton user and therefore e. Good enough for me.

8 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

it doesn't really matter, Doc isn't Al Capone and I don't need to catch him doing tax fraud. Maybe he really is telling the truth about his finances for all I know, I don't really care. I just need to prove he's a lot less trustworthy than Hael

Doc isn't Al Capone! I am! *cue Heroshi swapping universes with Tin Al Capone of the Metal Mafia*