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1 hour ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

Just to confirm, Stick, the Riot was not performed by you in self-preservation?

I don’t think she could’ve, the numbers don’t make sense. If she rioted Araris,TuO, Fura or Alvron, her vote would’ve been negated, turning her side into 3, and then 4 after the vote moved, leaving it at a 4 to 3. Which doesn’t match the number.

Also, for those who think I’m overreacting against Fura, the problem I have is that he continued lying. V!Fura after testing my reactions or whatever he was doing, has no reason to keep lying to me. 

Edited by Ookla the Broken
Posted

Stick is throwing me off this game. This is probably the first time I've ever e! Read her early in a game... also

4 hours ago, Stick. said:

pros: get closer to solving the distro

cons: ...everything else 

 

im not sure what u mean by pressure in pms: if ur a villager, there's no need to feel any pressure. imo, dont true-claim in PMs unless the person ur claiming to is literally seeker scanned - else ur better off just claiming in the thread. but that's just me, im sure most people arent so rigid about role claiming 😛 

 

reminder that it is now night, people should be able to turn off their copperclouds - the abundance of smokers might mean they left our seeker untouched 

0.o i can't believe you would betray me like that :' (

3 hours ago, The Unknown Ookla said:

My guess is that simplest explanation is best, IHAT rioted a Stick voter to Araris. That means IHAT/Stick are decently e/e. That's not guaranteed though, especially considering how volatile votes were at the end. That also implies we don't have a Soother, which is interesting. 

Is there a reason why you think that is simpler than one of you, Alv, fura, or someone who didnt vote rioting? Also we could still have a soother if the moved vote was someone who didnt vote. I think IHAT Rioter is pretty unlikely at the moment

2 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

Hmm, I want to hear Fura's side of this story, but I'm leaning towards you over-reacting.

Thanks for the breakdown Jo and further makes me think IHAT is probably not a rioter. 

In short, I PMed *after the thread was up* because otherwise that's against the rules but *before the write-up was changed to reflect vote manip* as I didnt realize that was missing and if I am a rioter, I didnt use my action yesterday. IHAT felt this proved I was lying as there can't be 2 rioters this game because the elims proved they didnt want vote manip when they added smokers. I gave a few hypothetical reasons why there could be more than one including the classic ikyk and IHAT didnt think those ideas made any sense and is convinced this proves i lied. That's basically the whole story from my perspective im pretty sure.

Now what i will say is I am a chronic liar in these games... there is one lie I gave IHAT so far and a few in a few other PMs... but I do this as both good and Evil.

2 hours ago, The Unknown Ookla said:

This dude named Occam told me it was true, so it must be :P

The vote losses and gain match a Riot perfectly. It's possible the Rioter was a Stick voter and moved IHAT, but voting for you then moving a vote away is odd, and honestly elim behavior 

Agreed. I dont expect evil to have taken vote manip, but if Stick flips evil later id be suspicious of Alv/TUH/Fura

5 hours ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

Alright guys what the frick was that

Can someone try to weigh to me the pros and cons of roleclaiming? Cause I’m getting a lot of pressure in PMs and I’m starting to doubt what the best move is

Pros: its fun

Cons: none because you could be lying!

In all seriousness, there are a lot of potential pros and cons. The main pro to role claiming is you can manipulate the evil team to act on bad info. For instance, a smoker might try to bluff as a more valuable role hoping that the NK will target them instead of a more valuable target. A value role might claim something because vanilla or low impact roles often claim their roles as they think it doesn't matter. This then leaves those who haven't claimed exposed as likely value targets. I had a request from one player to out who *hasn't* role claimed to me in PMs and I specifically did not do that because that info can be more valuable than who has role claimed.

The con is you can mislead village or be called on your bluff. That smoker claiming coinshot might draw a bunch of attention from town and be protected by the lurcher meanwhile the actual coinshot dies. Alternatively, the elims may have removed coinshot so while youre bluffing it, they know youre not that and can act based on that info while the town is one step behind...

There's a whole art and strategy to sharing information like that. But also when push comes to shove some find it fun and some dont so if you find what I said fun great! (And Ill see you in PMs xD) otherwise great have fun the way you have fun.

31 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Also, for those who think I’m overreacting against Fura, the problem I have is that he continued lying. V!Fura after testing my reactions or whatever he was doing, has no reason to keep lying to me. 

Unless I dont trust you or think you might say what I say in thread/to others...

Completely unrelated Im pretty sure IHAT is village at this point. I highly disagree with the logic that concludes im lying... and even more with lying = elim. But they are so confident in PMs about this and in PMs i just accused them of being evil for claiming to have so much knowledge about what the elims would do this game and they didnt flinch and responded back fast about why they felt that way. Highly unlikely imo that they are being coached and while they are playing very different than last game correct me if im wrong, last game was your first SE game wasnt it? Play can change quickly when new so thats NAI.

Also I dont want us to disregard the world where a soother soothed IHATs vote off Ksauce. Something ive mentioned in PMs is rioters and soother can soft confirm themselves as their role by doing that and that could be what happened there.

Posted
10 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

This probably happened because we all didn’t use our copperclouds.

As for the double-post, I accidentally posted In here what I meant to PM to you. I did delete it once I realized. However, it doesn’t matter now because what it was about was some questioning you on your status as a “rioter” 

For clarification, Fura told me he was a Rioter, but then later said he rioted a smoker, and he knew that after reset, but before DrakeMarshal’s write-up. Which doesn’t make sense in the timeline of events.

Then, when I pushed him about how if he was a rioter, how the votes changed the outcome, where he then suggested that the Elims stole the rioter and added another just to cause a conversion like the one we had to happen. This would also be very unlikely as the Elims added a lot of smokers, so stealing the rioter doesn’t make sense.

If I could vote Fura I would, but it’s Night

Edit: Basically, Fura lied to me about being a rioter. So I think he’s an Elim

Edit 2: if Fura was a rioter, there would(n’t) be discrepancies in the votes and the people since he supposedly rioted a smoker

Edit 3:  there wouldn’t be discrepancies, sorry. Wow I’m editing this a lot, but since no one is posting I kinda have to if I want to add the information 

Wait

He claimed rioter?

He told me he's a smoker

Posted
2 hours ago, Ookla the Redeemed said:

Just to confirm, Stick, the Riot was not performed by you in self-preservation?

Uh no

9 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Stick is throwing me off this game. This is probably the first time I've ever e! Read her early in a game... also

ahahaha tell me more… I think the last time we played together was mr39? that was over 6 years ago xd like dang thats so long ago, i was but a child….. but i dont blame u, ive been catching heat early a ton lately so ur fine 

Posted
17 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Completely unrelated Im pretty sure IHAT is village at this point. I highly disagree with the logic that concludes im lying... and even more with lying = elim. But they are so confident in PMs about this and in PMs i just accused them of being evil for claiming to have so much knowledge about what the elims would do this game and they didnt flinch and responded back fast about why they felt that way. Highly unlikely imo that they are being coached and while they are playing very different than last game correct me if im wrong, last game was your first SE game wasnt it? Play can change quickly when new so thats NAI.

Yeah, my first game was the Andor QF game, so last game was my first. As for you not understanding my reasoning, that’s fine and expected. I’m not trying to convince you you’re an Elim, if that makes sense.

6 minutes ago, Ookla The Story said:

Wait

He claimed rioter?

He told me he's a smoker

Yeah, he claimed rioter to me. While lying itself doesn’t necessarily mean E!Fura, he persisted in lying to me, defending his role in PMs. Considering that, (as far as I know) he’s claimed different roles to different people, why would I be the one he tells the truth to?

Posted
9 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Yeah, he claimed rioter to me. While lying itself doesn’t necessarily mean E!Fura, he persisted in lying to me, defending his role in PMs. Considering that, (as far as I know) he’s claimed different roles to different people, why would I be the one he tells the truth to?

Interesting 

Posted
7 hours ago, Stick. said:

reminder that it is now night, people should be able to turn off their copperclouds - the abundance of smokers might mean they left our seeker untouched 

Incorrect.  As Drake reported during the Day cycle, Copperclouds are by default OFF.  You have to place an action to turn it on whether it's Smoking just yourself or you and another.  It can also be used as a Day or Night action it just has a full cycle cooldown.

Posted
9 minutes ago, Alvron said:

Incorrect.  As Drake reported during the Day cycle, Copperclouds are by default OFF.  You have to place an action to turn it on whether it's Smoking just yourself or you and another.  It can also be used as a Day or Night action it just has a full cycle cooldown.

Which means we can leave ourselves open to rioting/soothing during the day and not to the seeker, open to both seeker and rioter/soother or neither. Depending on if/when we use our copper cloud

Posted (edited)
14 hours ago, Ookla the Broken said:

This probably happened because we all didn’t use our copperclouds.

As for the double-post, I accidentally posted In here what I meant to PM to you. I did delete it once I realized. However, it doesn’t matter now because what it was about was some questioning you on your status as a “rioter” 

For clarification, Fura told me he was a Rioter, but then later said he rioted a smoker, and he knew that after reset, but before DrakeMarshal’s write-up. Which doesn’t make sense in the timeline of events.

Then, when I pushed him about how if he was a rioter, how the votes changed the outcome, where he then suggested that the Elims stole the rioter and added another just to cause a conversion like the one we had to happen. This would also be very unlikely as the Elims added a lot of smokers, so stealing the rioter doesn’t make sense.

If I could vote Fura I would, but it’s Night

Edit: Basically, Fura lied to me about being a rioter. So I think he’s an Elim

Edit 2: if Fura was a rioter, there would(n’t) be discrepancies in the votes and the people since he supposedly rioted a smoker

Edit 3:  there wouldn’t be discrepancies, sorry. Wow I’m editing this a lot, but since no one is posting I kinda have to if I want to add the information 

Hmmmm interesting bc like fura told me he was a smoker….

 

edit:sorry for the double post 

Edited by Ookla The Vessel Of Honor
Posted

Ok everyone no more lies Ill come clean. Im not a Rioter.

Im a Nathian Worldhopper with some amount of breaths. And im looking to collect more so if youre interested let me know and/or say the phrase in PMs!

Posted
17 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Ok everyone no more lies Ill come clean. Im not a Rioter.

Im a Nathian Worldhopper with some amount of breaths. And im looking to collect more so if youre interested let me know and/or say the phrase in PMs!

Heheheh

Posted
43 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

Ok everyone no more lies Ill come clean. Im not a Rioter.

Im a Nathian Worldhopper with some amount of breaths. And im looking to collect more so if youre interested let me know and/or say the phrase in PMs!

I knew it!

Posted

Sorry folks but I ain’t got nothin for y’all tonight

I will say I’m unsatisfied with the lack of analysis of yesterday’s chaos considering the amount of experienced players we’ve got here, but I do suppose I’m not one to talk

’Night, and I hope to see you all still alive in the morning

Maybe then I’ll actually lock in

Posted

Assuming I'm alive tomorrow I'll have a lot more time to deticate to analyzing things that have happened thus far. 

There's a part of me that thinks fura could be an elim something who claimed rioter in pms (and were planning on using the plethora of smokers as reasoning for why rioting never worked) and then when a v!rioter actually used their riot that claim fell through and now they say they are smoker so like theres a small part of me that thinks maybe fura is e!notrioterorsmoker but like it's all vibes rn.

I wish we could find out who rioted so that we could have a better chance of figuring out the motives and therefore how likely it was to save e!stick from the tie, but in the case of v!rioter, I feel that it's better to keep them alive and well as it seems that smokers are going sober. There's also no way that there is a e!rioter or e!soother right? As there are so many smokers? Unless elims super big brained and knew we wouldn't smoke at all and would think a game of smokers would mean e!vote manip is a bad idea so they take it but if that was the case I feel like somebody would be more willing to claim as vote manip but ig that will only happen when they are up for the chopping block.

Yeah idk my thoughts are all over the place it will be interesting to see what happens tonight and hopefully two village don't die.

Posted
4 minutes ago, Ookla the Counter said:

Assuming I'm alive tomorrow I'll have a lot more time to deticate to analyzing things that have happened thus far. 

There's a part of me that thinks fura could be an elim something who claimed rioter in pms (and were planning on using the plethora of smokers as reasoning for why rioting never worked) and then when a v!rioter actually used their riot that claim fell through and now they say they are smoker so like theres a small part of me that thinks maybe fura is e!notrioterorsmoker but like it's all vibes rn.

I wish we could find out who rioted so that we could have a better chance of figuring out the motives and therefore how likely it was to save e!stick from the tie, but in the case of v!rioter, I feel that it's better to keep them alive and well as it seems that smokers are going sober. There's also no way that there is a e!rioter or e!soother right? As there are so many smokers? Unless elims super big brained and knew we wouldn't smoke at all and would think a game of smokers would mean e!vote manip is a bad idea so they take it but if that was the case I feel like somebody would be more willing to claim as vote manip but ig that will only happen when they are up for the chopping block.

Yeah idk my thoughts are all over the place it will be interesting to see what happens tonight and hopefully two village don't die.

You see, that just results in an “I know A, but you’d know I know A, so you’d choose B, and I’d know that you’d… etc” so this kinda leads nowhere. Because of the smokers it highly unlikely that there’s a E!seeker, e!rioter, or e!soother. 

Posted

Apologies, everyone, I haven't been as present as I should. 

I wish the vote manipulation could have told us something, but honestly I don't see analyzing that as very profitable. There have been many times when villagers move votes last minute or riot their own votes just on a whim, and it leads to both the person they're trying to save and themselves getting exed. Maybe an elim was trying to save Stick, maybe they were just trying to make us think they wanted to save Stick. Maybe an elim just really wanted Araris dead, but I didn't see him making any strong accusations. 

There haven't really been a lot of strong reads this game so far. A lot of the trains yesterday were people saying they were following trains or trying to tie. The main actual suspicions I saw came from Hoid Slayer who said both Fura and Araris were giving him elim vibes, but admitted they were thin. I expressed suspicions of IHAT based on tone, but Jo's analysis of the same posts makes him think they're more likely innocent. And now IHAT is on the warpath on Fura based on Fura's lying in PMs. Which, yeah, they do that. 

Something I want to point out is Honor's Ghost switching their vote without reasoning yesterday from TJ to Mippo. KSOS called them out on it and voted on them based on that, and that might be a thread I'm interested in on the next day. 

Still kind of like TJ, maybe KSOS. I'm holding Fura, Jo, Hoid and Exp at arms length. I'm wary of Stick, Alv, TUO. I am outright suspicious of IHAT. Giving Mippo some slack just because they're new, but I don't like that vote switch yesterday, and TOW hasn't really been active yet. 

Posted (edited)
30 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Still kind of like TJ, maybe KSOS. I'm holding Fura, Jo, Hoid and Exp at arms length

:' (

I agree with logic in rest of post... I had something more to add but I forgot

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As Exp (pronounced Awseph) looked around at everyone pointing fingers... the... 2 people? Really not many people seemed all that concerned with the steel ministry being among us. A shiver went down their spine thinking that. Well, that was a worry for tomorrow. Surely nothing bad could happen with just one night of rest?

Edited by Furamirionind
Post was the word doc. Was that an elim slip? Or was that me being tired and just waking up while talking to doc? Lol
Posted (edited)

"Two more down. Things are going my way," Ruin gloated.

Preservation was busy giggling uncontrollably.

"What's so funny?" Ruin asked, annoyed.

"Tyrion Falls. It's like the name of the town."

"By Adonalsium, what an awful pun," Ruin grumbled.

"Awfully amazing, you mean."

"It's your turn," Ruin reminded his opponent. He tapped the hourglass meaningfully. "Do try not to let the day slip away."

atium.png

While the mists were thick and all sensible folk were indoors and fast asleep, a message was slipped under doors and through windows. Every residence got a copy, but nobody saw who delivered it. It read:

Quote

There are four elims. Fura, stick, Redeemed and Broken are villagers.

As the sun rose and chased the mists away, more worrying news spread.

There were corpses. Some halfhearted attempt had been made to hide them -- they'd been stashed unceremoniously in the old mayor's manor, which had gone unused and boarded up for as long as anyone remembered. But one of the townsfolk had stumbled upon the scene, and soon everyone knew about it. Nothing stays buried in Tyrian Falls.

atium.png

@Furamirionind has perished! They were a Village Smoker!

@Ookla the Redeemed has fallen! He was a Village Rioter!

It is daybreak! Remember to vote!

Night will fall at this time.

atium.png

1. @The Unknown Ookla (TUO) as :ph34r: (pronounced ":ph34r:")

2. @Ookla the Wallfacer (KSauce) as Mr. Nameless (that's not actually his real name though, bc he is nameless)

3. Araris Valerian as Aralis Village Smoker

4. @Ookla the Broken (IHAT?) as Hail (thane of Glamis, thane of Cawdor, and king hereafter!)

5. Ookla the Redeemed (Hoid Slayer) as Tyrion Village Rioter

6. @Ookla the Hoppy (Worldhopper?) as Coming Later (now uncontested for the name as There Can Only Be One)

7. @A Jo in the Bush as Jox (apprentice baker, veteran bush-dweller)

8. @|TJ| as Tyrian (😮👉 that's the name of the town!! ...you know when you die the cycle's gonna be titled "Tyrian Falls" right)

9. @Ookla the Wanderer (TwinStorm?) as Falls (besties with Tyrian)

10. @Alvron as Val (a mysterious yet bold individual)

11. @Doc12 as Rin (servant to a great House, and maybe also some of the people in it when there's time)

12. @Stick. as Stick (the Third)

13. @Ookla The Story (Mippo) as Lime Guy (eat in case of scurvy)

14. @Ookla The Vessel Of Honor (Honors ghost?) as ermmmmmmmm izzyieus the izbob (first name ermmmmmmmm, last name izzyieus... perhaps)

15. @Ookla the Counter (Exp) as Kas (are we sure identity theft isn't a joke bc this is pretty funny 😂)

16. Furamirionind as As Exp Village Smoker

Edited by DrakeMarshall
Posted

Okay, I’m assuming the spoiler box is the Tineye message. The part about Fura is right. I was wrong about him, I’m sorry. 

Also, who do we think killed who? Did the Coinshot kill Fura? Or Redeemed? Which one did the Elims kill. Right now, I don’t know if we know enough to tell

Posted
11 minutes ago, Furamirionind said:

(pronounced Awseph)

i've been staring at this for like a minute straight and still cannot comprehend

Posted
22 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Also, who do we think killed who? Did the Coinshot kill Fura? Or Redeemed? Which one did the Elims kill. Right now, I don’t know if we know enough to tell

I'd bet on the elims being scared of Fura's info gathering and killing her

Also, apparently my assessment of the Rioting situation was wrong. It seems Hoid moved IHAT or a Stick voter to Araris, and a Soother was responsible for the other one

Posted

Okay, I was going through the previous Day/Night, and I noticed that Alvron hasn’t said anything in the threads about his opinions, who he thinks is an Elim, nor has he done any theorizing. This may just be the way he plays, I’ve sent him a PM about it, but for now:

Alvron

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