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Lotus twirled a pen in his hands, hunched over a datapad at his desk. Messages flashed from the top, slightly obscuring the map of the surrounding system. It was his job to map the route the convoys would take, and he’d do it well, if these messages would stop covering the screen.

He growled softly in annoyance, going to stop the notifications, before stopping as he read the words appearing on his screen. “Rebels” “compromised” this wasn’t good, if there were rebels in the base, no wonder they’d been able to find the shipments

Lotus started to turn all the screens off, he’d have to check for spying devices. He wasn’t taking any chances.

 

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Zeke Slane was a secretary in the Imperial Security Bureau. He had been in service for over eight years now, so he should be used to the workload. But attending meeting after meeting, taking down notes, and doing paperwork could sometimes feel dreary. Of course, he did enjoy the routine and the predictability of his responsibilities, but sometimes, he felt boredom doing the same tasks again and again, day after day.

Today was one of those days. He had just attended three meetings, of which the officers seemed to be talking about the same points that could have been sent on an email. He wanted to doze off and just let his mind wander to more imaginative thoughts, but he was the secretary after all, and these officers would expect a detailed write-up of what was discussed after. So, he pulled himself together and somehow got through the day. Now that his work for the day was over, the exhaustion crept in. Perhaps his body recognized that the feeling could now be welcomed. And so, he decided that he should rest for the day. Tomorrow would be a new one and his mind would be refreshed for new thoughts.

 

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Ok but also not to be that guy and I guess we don't need to worry about it too much but this is a QF and like rollover is in around 12 hours or so right

But there's like no votes around which yeah actually can the rebels agree to a peace treaty like what happens if no-one submits a kill

Posted
4 minutes ago, STINK said:

Ok but also not to be that guy and I guess we don't need to worry about it too much but this is a QF and like rollover is in around 12 hours or so right

But there's like no votes around which yeah actually can the rebels agree to a peace treaty like what happens if no-one submits a kill

The only way we win is by the power of voting, I don't think it's a great idea to be peaceful.

Posted
2 minutes ago, STINK said:

But there's like no votes around which yeah actually can the rebels agree to a peace treaty like what happens if no-one submits a kill

i voted

so did twin

it simply appears no one else wants to do the same 🥀

but also i don't think it really matters since it's a two-vote minimum and i would expect there to be not so many connectives (i've had this argument with orlok before since we're technically just chasing a 'conversion' elim C1: all the spymaster really needs to do is stay alive and find a friend and they have the least support rn, but it also means we ain't got no connectives to work off, but anyway tldr; probably unadvisable to forgo exe, however, analysis is gonna be a little weird. which is probably why i just did the entrance vibe read thing and called it a day.)

Posted
1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

i voted

so did twin

it simply appears no one else wants to do the same 🥀

but also i don't think it really matters since it's a two-vote minimum and i would expect there to be not so many connectives (i've had this argument with orlok before since we're technically just chasing a 'conversion' elim C1: all the spymaster really needs to do is stay alive and find a friend and they have the least support rn, but it also means we ain't got no connectives to work off, but anyway tldr; probably unadvisable to forgo exe, however, analysis is gonna be a little weird. which is probably why i just did the entrance vibe read thing and called it a day.)

Wait, we can vote right now? Where?

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You know what, I really don't wanna kill Kas (he's back and its good to have him back) C1 so I'll throw a vote out for KSauce, probably won't get exed, but I still don't want to be responsible for an accidental Kas exe

Posted
1 minute ago, IHadAThought said:

Wait, we can vote right now? Where?

Colour your vote in red and bold it like this as follows:

DrakeMarshall

You can unvote like this:

DrakeMarshall

Player or username is fine. Anyway I CBA to pull my posts but we just do it in-thread like this.

Man no connectives is a PITA because otherwise I'd be tempted to ask if this is a lost Villager 😔 Still low-key wanna v lean a tiny bit because I feel like an Elim might rest confident in the knowledge they have a kill anyway but IDK man I really DK.

Anyway:

In honour of Araris my bro:

Unknown

We are not flinching 😤

Edited to add:

Most GMs count last red vote from you so you don't really need to green it but it's good/useful to know that green is a retraction anyway.

Posted

Yeah, there’s not much to go on, but since there’s been some advocating for letting these rebels infiltrate the ISB. I suppose that Johnny might be someone I need to keep an eye on.

Posted
17 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

i voted

so did twin

it simply appears no one else wants to do the same 🥀

but also i don't think it really matters since it's a two-vote minimum and i would expect there to be not so many connectives (i've had this argument with orlok before since we're technically just chasing a 'conversion' elim C1: all the spymaster really needs to do is stay alive and find a friend and they have the least support rn, but it also means we ain't got no connectives to work off, but anyway tldr; probably unadvisable to forgo exe, however, analysis is gonna be a little weird. which is probably why i just did the entrance vibe read thing and called it a day.)

Wait you were reading my not posting and that wasn't just a poke

Posted
28 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

Wait you were reading my not posting and that wasn't just a poke

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what's ur current reads/views of threadstate/path forwards?

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6 minutes ago, Kasimir said:
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what's ur current reads/views of threadstate/path forwards?

"You are a Hunter in a dark forest. There are other Hunters in the forest. You do not know if they mean harm. If you make a noise, or a light, you would reveal yourself to their attack. When another Hunter makes a noise or a light, you cannot approach in peace, for it would show your vulnerability and open yourself up to an attack. The only option is to shoot first, and trust no one."

I need to review the roles, but that's where I'm at. 

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Just now, The Unknown Hammerer said:

"You are a Hunter in a dark forest. There are other Hunters in the forest. You do not know if they mean harm. If you make a noise, or a light, you would reveal yourself to their attack. When another Hunter makes a noise or a light, you cannot approach in peace, for it would show your vulnerability and open yourself up to an attack. The only option is to shoot first, and trust no one."

I need to review the roles, but that's where I'm at. 

This reminds me of the “dark forest theory” from the three-body-problem. Similar idea, same result: be like Solo, shoot first

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Just now, IHadAThought said:

This reminds me of the “dark forest theory” from the three-body-problem. Similar idea, same result: be like Solo, shoot first

That's what I'm quoting, yeah

Well, I'm paraphrasing the original thought experiment the book is based off at any rate

Posted
6 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

"You are a Hunter in a dark forest. There are other Hunters in the forest. You do not know if they mean harm. If you make a noise, or a light, you would reveal yourself to their attack. When another Hunter makes a noise or a light, you cannot approach in peace, for it would show your vulnerability and open yourself up to an attack. The only option is to shoot first, and trust no one."

I need to review the roles, but that's where I'm at. 

a little slanted by the fact we technically have teammates on both sides, just that we don't know who they are, no? if not it'd be a ffa of some sort.

Edited to add:

2 hours ago, STINK said:

Wow that was a lot of RP all at once let's keep that up peeps

man bruv u killed it 🥀

Posted
7 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

little slanted by the fact we technically have teammates on both sides, just that we don't know who they are, no? if not it'd be a ffa of some sort

Similar to the real Dark Forest theory, it ignores a few relevant details, but yeah that is a factor

Disregarding medic saves though, there's no way to tell what alignment someone is as a plebeian.

Posted
2 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

Similar to the real Dark Forest theory, it ignores a few relevant details, but yeah that is a factor

Disregarding medic saves though, there's no way to tell what alignment someone is as a plebeian.

I'm honestly hoping that talking, looking for agenda, vibe reads, and the usual "watch how reads change" will influence this, particularly because Elims will be shifting their reads to try to protect who they now think are their teammates. Like Villagers will do this too, but there's the doc and missed kill thing coming into play later on. I guess fundamentally just agenda drek which dear God I suck at so IDK why I picked this game to come back to except I'm a fool for Star Wars. I'm aware Drake has mulled on running a larger team in this game too so that's another thing to consider I think.

Like technically we don't lose at lylo, we lose when the Head Honcho is dead, but if we're outnumbered, that's a formality because they just vote and kill freely until the Head Honcho is dead. So technically the only thing the Head Honcho wincon does is it adds the possibility we can lose before the numbers game happens. 

Posted

I actually just realized rollover is like 1 AM for me, which is pretty rude of Drake. I might be able to stay up that late on weekends, but I have a day job that has me wake at 6, so I won't be present for those. 

Current vote count

Ksauce (1) Twinstorm

Unknown (1) Drake

Twinstorm (1) Ihadathought 

I feel like this cycle is even weirder than most day 1 votes just because as Kas said there's not many connectives and elims wouldnt' even know if one of their own is on the block. But if we have to kill someone, then STINK for naming their character too similar to mine. 

Posted
2 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Unknown (1) Drake

I appreciate your vote of confidence for my bid to become GM of this game.

I will use such power wisely! 😤

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4 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I'm honestly hoping that talking, looking for agenda, vibe reads, and the usual "watch how reads change" will influence this, particularly because Elims will be shifting their reads to try to protect who they now think are their teammates. Like Villagers will do this too, but there's the doc and missed kill thing coming into play later on. I guess fundamentally just agenda drek which dear God I suck at so IDK why I picked this game to come back to except I'm a fool for Star Wars. I'm aware Drake has mulled on running a larger team in this game too so that's another thing to consider I think.

Like technically we don't lose at lylo, we lose when the Head Honcho is dead, but if we're outnumbered, that's a formality because they just vote and kill freely until the Head Honcho is dead. So technically the only thing the Head Honcho wincon does is it adds the possibility we can lose before the numbers game happens. 

I guess you could say this is an over-optimistic projection but I'm assuming they'll have a bit better info at that point due to the Spymaster or just failed kills bouncing around. I at least think expecting a decently-sized voting bloc to happen by that juncture makes sense to me, and also we should generally just make the pessimistic assumption first then scrape around to see how much breathing room we really have ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Posted (edited)
59 minutes ago, IHadAThought said:

This reminds me of the “dark forest theory” from the three-body-problem. Similar idea, same result: be like Solo, shoot first

Agreed.

This game has the most people out of any I've played, so it'll probably have at least 3 elims, possibly more because they're less powerful here. 

@DrakeMarshall, are they chosen completely randomly?

Some folks haven't shown up yet. @Booknewt, @Furamirionind, @CoderDrag0n8, say something please.

Edit: I just remembered that Coder and Booknewt won't be here for a bit.

Edited by KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren
Posted
1 minute ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

are they chosen completely randomly?

different GMs do it differently but I generally roll 3 completely random distros and pick 1

if I have no strong feelings about one of them being better then I default to going with the first one I rolled

'how much randomness vs GM meddling should there actually be' is a whole can of worms we could talk about and I don't really know the answer to that, but if the question is just how do I do it then there you go

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10 minutes ago, KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren said:

This game has the most people out of any I've played, so it'll probably have at least 3 elims, possibly more because they're less powerful here. 

This is the most people you've played with? Wow, making me feel old

Typically, a 16 player game would have four elims (25% is standard), maybe three if the team was powerful in some other way, but this team is underpowered and Drake said he leaned higher, so I'd guess 5 maybe even 6 if the village got a lot of roles

Posted
8 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

different GMs do it differently but I generally roll 3 completely random distros and pick 1

if I have no strong feelings about one of them being better then I default to going with the first one I rolled

'how much randomness vs GM meddling should there actually be' is a whole can of worms we could talk about and I don't really know the answer to that, but if the question is just how do I do it then there you go

Yeah that was the answer I wanted.

5 minutes ago, The Unknown Hammerer said:

This is the most people you've played with? Wow, making me feel old

Typically, a 16 player game would have four elims (25% is standard), maybe three if the team was powerful in some other way, but this team is underpowered and Drake said he leaned higher, so I'd guess 5 maybe even 6 if the village got a lot of roles

Alright.

STINK, I don't like your pacifist talk.

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