Myst He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Kieran’s blade slashed through the Pirate Captain arm. A move that only distracted the pirate, as they simply grabbed the arm with their sword-hand to re-attach it. ”Masks! That’s not good” Luckily Kieran was able to trap the blade under his foot, as the captain had had to drop it to fix their arm. As long as he didn’t move, he’d be able to attack freely. The problem was that there were other pirates as well, and as they moved closer, Kieran was forced back, giving the Pirate Captain their sword. ”Risky it is….” Kieran charged forward. Slashing his sword through the pirates. Even if he couldn’t permanently harm them, he could distract them. His sword cut through one of the Ghosts throats, and the ghost seemingly… disappeared… Kieran didn’t know whether it was actually dead, or it had fled somewhere, but it was his best shot. Continuing his attacks, he aimed for the necks of the pirates. The numbers were enough to overwhelm however, and Kieran found himself with multiple cuts, some deep, some not, but with more on the way that he couldn’t stop. 1
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) Wahi saw how the Pirates Swarmed Kieran, they had identified the best Fighter among them and were know trying to Elimination the first, Wahi stabed anotehr Pirates heart, as he saw how one of the Pirates surrunding Kieran attacked them from behind, he Lunged at the Pirate his Knife Piercing The Pirates heart, as Wahi got a nasty cut at one of his legs. "I dont know how we can win against them, they are a lot more experinced than most of us, harter to kill then we are and they outnumber us." Edited March 16 by Wahrheitswächter 1
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 6 hours ago, |TJ| said: The question is, why would Doc lie? Every action and his behaviour from the start of the Loop has been very consistent with buying a 100 rupee Mask. If he is evil, he just Resurrects an elim N3 without revealing anything. We were exeing Hael anyway. Realistically, no one was exeing Doc even though Wonko had a vote on him. It was always going to be Stick or Hael. Now, we can make sure there's contingency if Doc is lying with @Wahrheitswächter Bremen-blocking Doc to prevent a possible Resurrection. Doc should not have any problem with it because there's only 1 Alignment Scan per game. So, I think this is one scan we do believe, imo. We figure out whatever is wrong with the whole Hael/Drake/Stick thing later. It is possible Hael/Drake/Coco/Burnt e/e. I do remember thinking Drake kill was weird in Loop 2. Why wouldn't Doc lie? The elims have two wins already, and so he sets up a situation where he gives a "scan" Night 2 that he can give the results of on Day 3. He lets confirmed village pick the target but so what? - They pick a villager, Doc says they scan as evil and the elims get their misexecution. - They pick an Elim and Doc says they scan as good, and the Elims get their misexecutiom. Either way, they get a misexecution, which we cannot immediately identify because it's flipless and when they win the round and thus the game it's kinda too late for Wahr and TUM to go "oh no, Doc lied, we are so sorry everyone". Here are the facts. - It is clear that there is an elim in Doc/Hael - It is clear that there is an elim in Stick/Drake (incidentally clearing the rest of the Day 2 dead pool: you are welcome Araris, Archer, TJ, Divergent, and Wonko) - I have twice, to the satisfaction of the two living hard confirmed villagers, verified that I am in communication with the dead doc and have their continued cooperation and I am fully prepared to verify that further (they are quite irate with you all) - Ashbringer, the third confirmed villager, has verified that Drake claimed Don Gero being targeted by Stick. - This claim is thus independent from the question of my own alignment. - Multiple players have commented they can see no reason E!Drake would night kill himself to do this - No player has counter claimed Don Gero - The strength of my position with the dead doc should put me at least on par with Doc in terms of any confidence you have in either of us. The consequence of all that is that the matter of Doc/Hael is something that can probably be left to Loop 4 to resolve if we get one. Seeing a resurrection proves Doc is lying, and when the dead come back in the next loop, they can be irate for themselves. The matter of Stick/Drake is much easier to resolve, and is much clearer weighted towards e!Stick. And if you cannot see that, I cannot help you further. I am kinda sick of stressing about all this and shouting into the void. So outside of RP and passing on any notes from the dead, this might be it from me. It is obvious the eliminators have been under little stress this game. They have thrashed us. They won the first two rounds seemingly with little difficulty. They are devious and they are active. They came into this loop having made the questionable decision to kill Ash a third time just so that Burnt could fake claim having scanned Mist having night killed. Why would they do that, not yet having the Stone mask if they weren't confident they would be fine without it? The Great Fairy Mask, which only Doc could get, certainly provides a compelling answer. My final thing for you to consider is why would I bother doing any of this? I have been disengaged, struggling with player reads, inactive for half of loop 2, and mostly just RPing by myself when I do happen to be around. I just wanted to keep RPing and have some fun chatting in the dead doc, particular after assuming that we probably has already lost. This is not what I wanted to be doing this turn. Why would the eliminators choose one of the least active players to suddenly activate to do some kayana plan to truthfully echo the dead doc? It makes no sense and y'all have said as much. Why would Ash, who I believe had directed you to focus on me just prior to dying choose to continue to verify my claims about the dead doc? Just reiterating that you are all free to ask the dead doc questions. Feel free to ask them about their opinions on thread and we can probably get Ash to verify my answers for a third time. 1
Doc12 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Time seemed to slow as Thistle watched the Happy Mask Salesman's head gently separate from his body and begin to tumble downwards. Ap was screaming. Kieran and Wahi had pulled out weapons. Desperately, Thistle threw their hands over Lili's eyes, trying to spare them the sight of death. "Cindra?" They called, looking around frantically. "Zymni!" All around the ghosts flowed like smoke, distorting the air. Glimpses of their companions as through water. Behind her, Lili screamed and tried to make herself smaller. And then a figure in front of her, translucent, blade almost incorporeal, but Thistle could still see the head of the Salesman on the floor. Thistle thrust a hand into their satchels, hoping against hope for something of use. The figure grinned, drawing her blade back for a strike. Thistle's fingers wrapped around a bundle and yanked it out, the pirate's blade struck something, and Thistle's bundle of lavender, sage, and rosemary scattered across the deck. The pirate looked around, expression almost bemused, seemingly completely unharmed. So Thistle used the distraction to bring out their silver trowel, slashing its sharp edges across the pirate's neck. 7 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: Why wouldn't Doc lie? The elims have two wins already, and so he sets up a situation where he gives a "scan" Night 2 that he can give the results of on Day 3. He lets confirmed village pick the target but so what? - They pick a villager, Doc says they scan as evil and the elims get their misexecution. - They pick an Elim and Doc says they scan as good, and the Elims get their misexecutiom. Either way, they get a misexecution, which we cannot immediately identify because it's flipless and when they win the round and thus the game it's kinda too late for Wahr and TUM to go "oh no, Doc lied, we are so sorry everyone". Here are the facts. - It is clear that there is an elim in Doc/Hael - It is clear that there is an elim in Stick/Drake (incidentally clearing the rest of the Day 2 dead pool: you are welcome Araris, Archer, TJ, Divergent, and Wonko) - I have twice, to the satisfaction of the two living hard confirmed villagers, verified that I am in communication with the dead doc and have their continued cooperation and I am fully prepared to verify that further (they are quite irate with you all) - Ashbringer, the third confirmed villager, has verified that Drake claimed Don Gero being targeted by Stick. - This claim is thus independent from the question of my own alignment. - Multiple players have commented they can see no reason E!Drake would night kill himself to do this - No player has counter claimed Don Gero - The strength of my position with the dead doc should put me at least on par with Doc in terms of any confidence you have in either of us. The consequence of all that is that the matter of Doc/Hael is something that can probably be left to Loop 4 to resolve if we get one. Seeing a resurrection proves Doc is lying, and when the dead come back in the next loop, they can be irate for themselves. The matter of Stick/Drake is much easier to resolve, and is much clearer weighted towards e!Stick. And if you cannot see that, I cannot help you further. I am kinda sick of stressing about all this and shouting into the void. So outside of RP and passing on any notes from the dead, this might be it from me. It is obvious the eliminators have been under little stress this game. They have thrashed us. They won the first two rounds seemingly with little difficulty. They are devious and they are active. They came into this loop having made the questionable decision to kill Ash a third time just so that Burnt could fake claim having scanned Mist having night killed. Why would they do that, not yet having the Stone mask if they weren't confident they would be fine without it? The Great Fairy Mask, which only Doc could get, certainly provides a compelling answer. My final thing for you to consider is why would I bother doing any of this? I have been disengaged, struggling with player reads, inactive for half of loop 2, and mostly just RPing by myself when I do happen to be around. I just wanted to keep RPing and have some fun chatting in the dead doc, particular after assuming that we probably has already lost. This is not what I wanted to be doing this turn. Why would the eliminators choose one of the least active players to suddenly activate to do some kayana plan to truthfully echo the dead doc? It makes no sense and y'all have said as much. Why would Ash, who I believe had directed you to focus on me just prior to dying choose to continue to verify my claims about the dead doc? Just reiterating that you are all free to ask the dead doc questions. Feel free to ask them about their opinions on thread and we can probably get Ash to verify my answers for a third time. I'm sorry for the frustration, not sorry for catching you. To be honest, I did not expect to actually scan you as evil. We all had reasons to distrust Twinstorm more, and we were more following Ash's lead in exeing you to be safe D3. I wanted to scan someone from the dead pool. Honestly you being elim fit in my team comp, but Drake's claim confused me. Either way, you had to offer someone else to be exed instead of yourself. Especially - as you pointed out - Burnt can't take any actions at all and you already had a dead teammate. Again, if people think I have resurrection mask, I'm not afraid to be roleblocked to prove it, but it could also probably be used to make sure Stick also can't do anything just in case. 1
Myst He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 19 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: Why wouldn't Doc lie? The elims have two wins already, and so he sets up a situation where he gives a "scan" Night 2 that he can give the results of on Day 3. He lets confirmed village pick the target but so what? - They pick a villager, Doc says they scan as evil and the elims get their misexecution. - They pick an Elim and Doc says they scan as good, and the Elims get their misexecutiom. Either way, they get a misexecution, which we cannot immediately identify because it's flipless and when they win the round and thus the game it's kinda too late for Wahr and TUM to go "oh no, Doc lied, we are so sorry everyone". Here are the facts. - It is clear that there is an elim in Doc/Hael - It is clear that there is an elim in Stick/Drake (incidentally clearing the rest of the Day 2 dead pool: you are welcome Araris, Archer, TJ, Divergent, and Wonko) - I have twice, to the satisfaction of the two living hard confirmed villagers, verified that I am in communication with the dead doc and have their continued cooperation and I am fully prepared to verify that further (they are quite irate with you all) - Ashbringer, the third confirmed villager, has verified that Drake claimed Don Gero being targeted by Stick. - This claim is thus independent from the question of my own alignment. - Multiple players have commented they can see no reason E!Drake would night kill himself to do this - No player has counter claimed Don Gero - The strength of my position with the dead doc should put me at least on par with Doc in terms of any confidence you have in either of us. The consequence of all that is that the matter of Doc/Hael is something that can probably be left to Loop 4 to resolve if we get one. Seeing a resurrection proves Doc is lying, and when the dead come back in the next loop, they can be irate for themselves. The matter of Stick/Drake is much easier to resolve, and is much clearer weighted towards e!Stick. And if you cannot see that, I cannot help you further. I am kinda sick of stressing about all this and shouting into the void. So outside of RP and passing on any notes from the dead, this might be it from me. It is obvious the eliminators have been under little stress this game. They have thrashed us. They won the first two rounds seemingly with little difficulty. They are devious and they are active. They came into this loop having made the questionable decision to kill Ash a third time just so that Burnt could fake claim having scanned Mist having night killed. Why would they do that, not yet having the Stone mask if they weren't confident they would be fine without it? The Great Fairy Mask, which only Doc could get, certainly provides a compelling answer. My final thing for you to consider is why would I bother doing any of this? I have been disengaged, struggling with player reads, inactive for half of loop 2, and mostly just RPing by myself when I do happen to be around. I just wanted to keep RPing and have some fun chatting in the dead doc, particular after assuming that we probably has already lost. This is not what I wanted to be doing this turn. Why would the eliminators choose one of the least active players to suddenly activate to do some kayana plan to truthfully echo the dead doc? It makes no sense and y'all have said as much. Why would Ash, who I believe had directed you to focus on me just prior to dying choose to continue to verify my claims about the dead doc? Just reiterating that you are all free to ask the dead doc questions. Feel free to ask them about their opinions on thread and we can probably get Ash to verify my answers for a third time. Oh, I agree, I think the Elim team is Coco/Hael/Burnt/Stick. We’re just saying that Doc has been consistent the entire loop(I.e he was planning this for a long time) and he was in communication with the other confirmed villagers so he can’t be making this up just to protect Stick
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 No wait this is true We shouldn't exe Doc/Hael, because one of Drake/Stick is e, and one of them is dead. Doc/Hael is a 50/50 of hitting one elim, exing Stick is a 100% chance of having one elim dead If we haven't exed an elim yet, there is no reason to kill Drake, as the elims would have the win locked. If we have exed one elim, we need one more to be dead. We have two pairs that each have an elim, but only one of those pairs already has a dead player @Wahrheitswächter @Araris Valerian @|TJ| @Wonko the Sane @Mistfallen Soldier @Divergent @Archer Feel free to correct me here, but the only world I see where this doesn't work is Hael/Drake, in which case the elims just decided to give us a chance where we had none 1
Doc12 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 7 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said: No wait this is true We shouldn't exe Doc/Hael, because one of Drake/Stick is e, and one of them is dead. Doc/Hael is a 50/50 of hitting one elim, exing Stick is a 100% chance of having one elim dead If we haven't exed an elim yet, there is no reason to kill Drake, as the elims would have the win locked. If we have exed one elim, we need one more to be dead. We have two pairs that each have an elim, but only one of those pairs already has a dead player @Wahrheitswächter @Araris Valerian @|TJ| @Wonko the Sane @Mistfallen Soldier @Divergent @Archer Feel free to correct me here, but the only world I see where this doesn't work is Hael/Drake, in which case the elims just decided to give us a chance where we had none I honestly don't know if Stick is e! purely based off the fact that Hael offered Stick to save himself. I can't read the plan there, but I want to confirm the one person I know is elim dies, and we can hash out Drake/Stick in the tiebreaker.
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 14 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Correct @Doc12 Your claim was that you received 12 rupees from PMs Loop A, yes? Then was this data a lie? Quote D2 Burnt - Hael, Wonko, Araris, Coco, Doc Me - Wonko, Archer, Dive, Burnt, Coco N2 Mistfallen - Doc, Archer D3 Me - Hael, TJ, Mist, Araris, Stick Mistfallen - Doc Burnt - Mistfallen Archer - Wonko, Wonko, Stick, Stick, Hoid N3 Burnt - Stick Because I don't know about you, but I only count ten names in green there. Care to explain?
Myst He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 6 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: @Doc12 Your claim was that you received 12 rupees from PMs Loop A, yes? Then was this data a lie? Because I don't know about you, but I only count ten names in green there. Care to explain? That’s because you colored wrong. For one, it’s per cycle, so D2/N2A you only count the unique players in that and also, Doc gets rupees from delivering his own letters
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 14 hours ago, |TJ| said: Let's say, for example, Jo is a Postman -> If Jo sends a PM to Aman, it is NOT +1 because the sender is a Postman. If Aman sends a PM to Jo, it is NOT +1 because the recipient is a Postman. Jo receives a rupees for ever unique recipient for a message NOT sent by him; Jo himself does not count as a recipient. If Jo received 12 rupees is a cycle, it is because: [Number of unique recipients receiving a message where recipient != Jo AND sender != Jo during the DAY] + [Number of unique recipients receiving a message where recipient != Jo AND sender != Jo during the NIGHT] = 12 Correct? 14 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Correct
Myst He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Wonko the Sane said: I give up on understanding how the postman works
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 16 Author Posted March 16 (edited) Soooo. Oof. In a theoretical world where a theoretical GM gave a theoretical Postman a theoretical rupee for a theoretical PM delivered to their theoretical self, and that theoretical mistake wasn’t caught until after it was theoretically spent to purchase something, I would be unable to undo the theoretical purchase and any results produced theoretically-of. As such, Postman will earn 1 rupee each time they receive a PM per turn >> Note: this is me being a solo GM for a complex game issue and honestly should not be factored into the discussion beyond "Aman's the woooorst" Edited March 16 by Amanuensis
|TJ| he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 I don't know man, I honestly don't know anymore. I don't feel confident in myself after I talked you guys out of exeing Burnt. I don't want to think anymore But... okay. I want to try, for the possibility of v!Hael's sake. TUO - Scanned TJ Araris - ? Wahr - Blocked Hael TJ - Nothing (TUO's scan) Stick - ? Hael - Nothing (Wahr's block) Wonko - ? Doc - ? Burnt - Nothing (Stone Mask) Mistfallen - ? Divergent - ? Archer - ? We get a pool of [Araris, Stick, Wonko, Doc, Mistfallen, Divergent, Archer] for the players who could have submitted an elim kill. Removing my village reads of Araris, Wonko, Mistfallen, Divergent -> [Stick/Archer, Doc] Note that we are disregarding the case where Drake was just shot himself. Sigh. Case 1: v!Drake is saying the truth. Stick is evil and attacked Drake. Case 1a. e!Hael HAS to be relay the information which leads to v!Doc. Hael/Stick/Burnt/+1 I do not think this is likely because Hael's reaction here clearly does not say e/e ; if Hael/Stick e/e is doesn't really matter who dies so there's no reason for Hael to feel so indignant here. Case 1b. v!Hael is giving out info by v!Drake. e!Doc is invalidating what v!Hael is saying. Burnt/Doc/Stick/+1 is the answer here. Case 2: v!Drake was killed but e!Hael is misrepresenting it. If so, why is the dead doc giving credible information that can be verified by confirmed villagers? This shows this case is highly improbable which means Hael is not misrepresenting Drake's words. Case 3: e!Drake killed himself, and is using e!Hael to frame v!Stick I don't know guys, I think I want to go back on my previous words. I was v!reading Drake quite strongly before he died. Is it really possible to kill himself? It comes down to this. Do you believe case 1(b) or do you believe case (3)? Because if you do not believe Drake killed himself and if you are okay to v!read all of Araris, Wonko, Mistfallen, Divergent ; THEN the D2C killer HAS to be in [Stick/Archer, Doc]. 1
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Soooo. Oof. In a theoretical world where a theoretical GM gave a theoretical Postman a theoretical rupee for a theoretical PM delivered to their theoretical self, and that theoretical mistake wasn’t caught until after it was theoretically spent to purchase something, I would be unable to undo the theoretical purchase and any results produced there-of. As such, Postman will earn 1 rupee each time they receive a PM per turn >> Note: this is me being a solo GM for a complex game issue and honestly should not be factored into the discussion beyond "Aman's the woooorst" Gah. Okay, fine. Anyway, I just finished catching up, and number one observation is that TUO is right. I still feel VERY uncertain about Hael vs Doc, and I really don't see why anyone else is so certain. e!Hael's actions are JUST as hard to explain as e!Doc's. Right now, we need to focus on what we can be certain of. And as has been pointed out, now that Hael has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that he has ongoing access to the dead doc and the continued support of Ash, what was <Hael/Drake/Stick> collapses to <Drake/Stick>. That means, like TUO says, that we should 100% DEFINITELY be exeing Stick, no matter WHAT we think about Hael vs Doc. There is literally ONLY one world where exeing Hael is superior to exeing Stick: if you think the elim team contains Hael AND Drake, but does NOT contain Coco, Twin, OR Stick. Is there anyone here who thinks that? Are there Burnt/Hael/Drake/Mist believers among you? Please, everyone, Hael vs Doc can be postponed. Drake vs Stick is a sure thing. Doc. Stick. Edited March 16 by Wonko the Sane
Araris Valerian he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 2 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: As such, Postman will earn 1 rupee each time they receive a PM per turn >> Canonically, the postman probably steals this from Arenta, which is why she's so grouchy all the time. 3 minutes ago, |TJ| said: It comes down to this. Do you believe case 1(b) or do you believe case (3)? Because if you do not believe Drake killed himself and if you are okay to v!read all of Araris, Wonko, Mistfallen, Divergent ; THEN the D2C killer HAS to be in [Stick/Archer, Doc]. @The Unknown Medallion's pragmatic case is that in case 1(b) we still need to exe an elim and it's almost certainly Stick, whereas in case 3 we have probably already won the loop. I think I find that sufficiently convincing to vote Stick, rather than Hael. Especially because this is an argument that e!Hael almost certainly would have made himself given how much planning would have gone into whatever gambit he's pulling. 1
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 16 Author Posted March 16 (edited) Just over 3 hours remain in the Day (7) Hael: TJ, Stick, Doc, Wahrheit, Mistfallen, Archer, Divergent, (4) Stick: Hael, TUM, Wonko, Araris, Edited March 16 by Amanuensis
Stick. she/her Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 hour ago, The Unknown Medallion said: Feel free to correct me here, but the only world I see where this doesn't work is Hael/Drake, in which case the elims just decided to give us a chance where we had none not quite? most ppl were set to just exe hael today in normal circumstances, I felt like this was projected pretty clearly last cycle as the mechanically correct move. and say, in a world where coco is e, and so is hael, this means the elims were highly likely to lose this loop? so i dunno if it’s accurate to say this is them giving us a chance where we had none - it’s pretty much guaranteeing a win for them in the long run if we didn’t have favourable mech here
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Stick. said: not quite? most ppl were set to just exe hael today in normal circumstances, I felt like this was projected pretty clearly last cycle as the mechanically correct move. and say, in a world where coco is e, and so is hael, this means the elims were highly likely to lose this loop? so i dunno if it’s accurate to say this is them giving us a chance where we had none - it’s pretty much guaranteeing a win for them in the long run if we didn’t have favourable mech here What exactly is your team that includes Coco where we haven't already won the loop? Because we now know that there is an elim in <Drake, Stick>. That is not disputable; the only way to dispute it before was if Hael was lying about Drake's claim; and we now have solid proof from Ash that he is not. So if you want to continue advocating that you are village, you must claim Drake is elim. Like I said, there is only one world where we exe you and lose: Burnt/Hael/Drake/Mist. Is that the world you think we're in right now?
Stick. she/her Posted March 16 Posted March 16 6 minutes ago, Wonko the Sane said: What exactly is your team that includes Coco where we haven't already won the loop? Because we now know that there is an elim in <Drake, Stick>. That is not disputable; the only way to dispute it before was if Hael was lying about Drake's claim; and we now have solid proof from Ash that he is not. So if you want to continue advocating that you are village, you must claim Drake is elim. Like I said, there is only one world where we exe you and lose: Burnt/Hael/Drake/Mist. Is that the world you think we're in right now? sure, I think it’s likely we’ve already won if hael isn’t misrepresenting, but i can’t know for certain what’s happening in the dead doc until next loop, when the info being relayed was shared and how isolated it really was, so anything from hael is unreliable fypov and im pretty sure im gonna trust my own role card over speculations
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Just now, Stick. said: sure, I think it’s likely we’ve already won if hael isn’t misrepresenting, but i can’t know for certain what’s happening in the dead doc until next loop, when the info being relayed was shared and how isolated it really was, so anything from hael is unreliable fypov and im pretty sure im gonna trust my own role card over speculations Are you saying you distrust TUO and Wahr's confirmation that Hael has accurately reproduced information that only Ash, TUO, and Wahr knew?
Stick. she/her Posted March 16 Posted March 16 no I’m saying i can’t say for certain when this information was revealed to the current dead doc, or who else had access to the information previously edit: I do think it’s far more likely we’ve won it already, but because I don’t know that 100% I can’t just self vote if that’s what u want lmao
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Just now, Stick. said: no I’m saying i can’t say for certain when this information was revealed to the current dead doc, or who else had access to the information previously The information was requested on demand by Wahr AFTER Hael relayed Drake's accusation. Wahr and TUO then confirmed the passcode. The only way Hael is lying now is if you think that Ash, apropos of nothing, announced a private codeword that was previously only shared with confirmed villagers to the dead doc for no reason. For the record, I'm NOT saying we need to trust Hael is Village. I'm saying we have now got pretty ironclad confirmation that Drake has accused you, regardless of Hael's alignment. It's odd to me that you continue to refuse to acknowledge that, and dodge the obvious conclusion from v!Stick's perspective. Why do you refuse to take the clear indication (from your perspective) that Drake is elim? Why are you grasping at wild straws to avoid that conclusion?
Stick. she/her Posted March 16 Posted March 16 I’ve already stated that as the more likely conclusion by far? u may be misunderstanding me here
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Stick. said: I’ve already stated that as the more likely conclusion by far? u may be misunderstanding me here Okay, I apologize if so. From my perspective, you appear to be saying you can't be certain Drake is an elim, because Hael could have gotten the code word from elsewhere. But the idea that Hael got the code from elsewhere is at this point as far-fetched as the idea that Burnt is a villager. Yes, because technically we haven't actually seen Burnt's alignment, it's still possible, but it would require her to be acting so ridiculously out of character and against her own self-interests that it's not worth considering. Likewise, the only way that Hael is lying about Drake is if Ash freely gave away the codeword at some point in the past, and Wahr and TUO don't know about it. This is utterly implausible. So, insofar as anything not mech-confirmed is certain, we can be certain that Drake has claimed Don Gero and is accusing you of killing him. Again, sorry if I'm misunderstanding you!
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