Long Game 110? [Sign Ups]: Termina Abandoned (A Majora's Mask Mafia Adventure)

[|TJ| he/him]

7 hours ago, Archer said:

--I've 180ed back to E!TJ because I think if you're going to try this play, you should commit to it. TJ made a big deal of proving Burnt couldn't afford Stone, which was the secret sauce to make the ruse work. (I also need to check if anyone argued for killing them both - I think we shut that down pretty quick.) 

I will clear this up once and for all (tagging @Araris Valerian as well) 

On 3/10/2026 at 8:26 AM, |TJ| said:

Well, we would then live (to fight another loop) or die (lose) by my words, yeah. I think this is the singular point of failure in our plan. If Burnt has faked the scan here then we would need to hope that Ash gets the Stone Mask. 

BUT, when you weigh the possibility of Burnt having 50 rupees with the certainty that Coco has 50 rupees, you always go Coco here. And Coco/Burnt are absolutely paired. 

I acknowledged that Burnt could be lying about buying the Mask, and a teammate could have gotten it. I still stand by my statement that going for Coco, who clearly had more than 50 rupees, was the right move. Burnt having 50 rupees was just a hypothetical we could not confirm. I still stand by Coco/Burnt being paired without a doubt. 

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

For Reasons I will not Disclose, I will go with Hael as well.

[Haelbarde he/him]

So that's I think 4 votes on me without any reasons being given for any of them? 

It would be useful, to me at least, if people could be clear on whether their issue is with me (i.e. disbelieving the Captain's Hat claim or believing me to be an elim), or whether they have an issue with Drake's claim of Don Gero and Stick having targeted. Because I'm just reporting what Drake is telling me as well as I can within the bounds of what's allowable when referencing information from the doc. 

I don't presently have a reason to disbelieve Drake - he identified Archer as postman to me before Archer claimed in thread, or that I worked out that that the PM I received last night was a claim that Archer was postman - but obviously I don't have any knowing whether his claims are true. 

[|TJ| he/him]

12 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

So that's I think 4 votes on me without any reasons being given for any of them? 

I think 2 of the votes had quite clear reasons  Stick has to be a counter-vote if she's village and I clearly gave reasons for mine. I don't believe there's a world where Stick is evil with Burnt or with Coco, which means you are lying. How you are lying is, quite frankly, immaterial to me. 

Realistically though, I think Drake did have Don Gero and get targeted by Archer!Postman which he revealed in the doc. You (or someone else from the elim team) do(es) have Captain's Hat. You're just lying about who targeted Drake in the Night. 

Side-note: @Amanuensis, can elims continue to talk in the elim doc if they are killed in the current Loop? For example, consider Coco to be an elim. Could she continue to talk in the elim doc after she was exe'd in D1C?

[Doc12]

23 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

So that's I think 4 votes on me without any reasons being given for any of them? 

It would be useful, to me at least, if people could be clear on whether their issue is with me (i.e. disbelieving the Captain's Hat claim or believing me to be an elim), or whether they have an issue with Drake's claim of Don Gero and Stick having targeted. Because I'm just reporting what Drake is telling me as well as I can within the bounds of what's allowable when referencing information from the doc. 

I don't presently have a reason to disbelieve Drake - he identified Archer as postman to me before Archer claimed in thread, or that I worked out that that the PM I received last night was a claim that Archer was postman - but obviously I don't have any knowing whether his claims are true. 

For me, its very convenient that today, the day when you were the suggested exe by Ash, Mist, and a few others, you come up with a target within the dead pool. I do think there's an elim in the dead pool, but its a distraction. See, if you're elim, that means Twinstorm isn't, which means today is LyLo for us. Which gives you a great incentive to give us another target. I don't necessarily disbelieve you could have captain, just that you're trying to distract us from what was going to be your exe today. 

The thing about Archer being postman is interesting - i havent' solved the cipher he gave me, but if that does spell out his claim, then you saying Archer is postman doesn't necessarily verify anything. 

[Archer he/him]

Gooood morning. I love how we all disregarded the possibility of E!DG!Drake DGG. I have a village read on him, but we should inspect that option too. 

2 dead elims already: This sets up L4 better for them by confusing us about how we got there. But we probably exe Burnt, Hael, one of the two dead elims already, and still win.

1 dead elim, e!Hael: This prevents us from killing the 2nd elim. But E!Drake is the second, so it's a set up for next round. That's high risk because there's more opportunities to be scanned. 

0 dead elims: You don't risk losing when you win either way. 

Conclusion: Drake is village, carry on. 

@DrakeMarshall can you share any more description? 

TJ, for D3B, it was pretty obvious that I was going to cause the explosion. I offered to be exed if I didn't. Adding an elim to the deadpool helps the ratios, because 4e:2v would have been more difficult to hide in. Stick vanity voting MF there also makes sense if they wanted to die. 

 

[Haelbarde he/him]

33 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

I clearly gave reasons for mine

If your reasons were clear from your posts, you might need to repeat yourself because having read it multiple times it your vote doesn't seem to me to be to greatly relevant to anything else you said.

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32 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

The thing about Archer being postman is interesting - i havent' solved the cipher he gave me, but if that does spell out his claim, then you saying Archer is postman doesn't necessarily verify anything. 

If you got the same thing as me (it looked like a bunch of html), then seeing as you received my PM's in the previous turns, can you appreciate how that looked like something that could have been a response to my pings? Obviously I did decode it, but only after Archer said that it was something from him, someone I hadn't previously PM'd (if you need a hint, copy the random characters after the postmaster reference into google and see what comes up). 

[Doc12]

6 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

If your reasons were clear from your posts, you might need to repeat yourself because having read it multiple times it your vote doesn't seem to me to be to greatly relevant to anything else you said.

 

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If you got the same thing as me (it looked like a bunch of html), then seeing as you received my PM's in the previous turns, can you appreciate how that looked like something that could have been a response to my pings? Obviously I did decode it, but only after Archer said that it was something from him, someone I hadn't previously PM'd (if you need a hint, copy the random characters after the postmaster reference into google and see what comes up). 

I actually got a "find his password" riddle with a bunch of words. Archer told me to read every third word, which gave me a phrase, which he just said in thread today references Alleyverse. And today I got a grid-based puzzle I have no idea where to begin with. I think me solving a riddle-based caeser cipher gave Archer unreasonably high expectations of my cryptologist skills xD 

[Archer he/him]

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you got the same thing as me

That's a clever solution. You got a custom one though. 

1 minute ago, Doc12 said:

I think me solving a riddle-based caeser cipher gave Archer unreasonably high expectations of my cryptologist skills

The first part is a Sudoku puzzle. 

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There's a way to cheese this with dead Ashbringer's cooperation. We just need him to signal Hael private info if he trusts Drake. 

[|TJ| he/him]

20 minutes ago, Archer said:

TJ, for D3B, it was pretty obvious that I was going to cause the explosion. I offered to be exed if I didn't. Adding an elim to the deadpool helps the ratios, because 4e:2v would have been more difficult to hide in. Stick vanity voting MF there also makes sense if they wanted to die. 

 

Ehh, this team is/was set on winning as soon as possible. Does it take a risk to bus someone D3B in the hopes that you will follow-through on N3B? I don't think so. 

5 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

If your reasons were clear from your posts, you might need to repeat yourself because having read it multiple times it your vote doesn't seem to me to be to greatly relevant to anything else you said.

 

Ahh my bad, sorry. I was looking back to D3A and D3B to see the likelihood that Stick could be an elim with either Coco or Burnt. On doing so, I realised there's no world where she's evil with either of them, which is what I was showing to everyone. At the very least, she's not evil with Burnt -> she's not evil, which would imply you are lying, and hence my vote. [Side-note: yes I do village-read Drake quite strongly]

[Haelbarde he/him]

25 minutes ago, Archer said:

@DrakeMarshall can you share any more description? 

Anything more is going to have to wait as I must needs sleep, but Drake has appeared in the doc again, so here's what he's saying.

First, he thinks I'm too polite to to be all that effective at conveying the feeling of his messages.

Aman has said we cannot make reference to things outside of the context of this game, so we are somewhat limited in what we can make reference to. Best he can think of is conveying more of the clues you provided: One referring to Pennywise the Clown, one referring to educational facilities, and another referring to a person a game commentator he was not familiar with.

He also thinks people should be more appreciative for him having provided answers to all your problems and that all of this is much the same as what he'd been posting about in previous turns.

4 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Ahh my bad, sorry. I was looking back to D3A and D3B to see the likelihood that Stick could be an elim with either Coco or Burnt. On doing so, I realised there's no world where she's evil with either of them, which is what I was showing to everyone. At the very least, she's not evil with Burnt -> she's not evil, which would imply you are lying, and hence my vote. [Side-note: yes I do village-read Drake quite strongly]

Ah okay, I'll have to reread it. I had just finished going through the votes tallies from previous cycles looking at the world where Stick is evil (which clears all other D2 deaths), to see what that implies. It was definitely feeling that e!Stick means v!Coco, but at least from the tallies, e!Stick and e!Burnt hadn't seemed contradictory to me. The main weird one is L2D3, but that felt like it had the potential for a WGG thing where the explosion already put them as wining the loop, so it was either have 4 elims in the living pool, or they ensure one was in the dead pool, and it'd be better to have the execution do it rather than the night kill. But I'm happy to look further at that.

[Doc12]

16 minutes ago, Archer said:

That's a clever solution. You got a custom one though. 

The first part is a Sudoku puzzle. 

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There's a way to cheese this with dead Ashbringer's cooperation. We just need him to signal Hael private info if he trusts Drake. 

I am proud to admit I have solved the first password puzzle - going to a different subforum I was unaware of is a hell of a jump and I'm not ashamed to admit I would not have gotten that without help  Additionally, I've filled in the sudoku words, and now I have four sets of four letters that I'm assuming is some sort of cipher. Archer, you make my brain hurt, but I admit I had fun doing the sudoku  

As to your second point, I don't see how Ashbringer can be helpful here - if the premise is that we don't trust Hael to accurately relay what Drake might be saying, how are we trusting him to relay what Ash is saying? 

[|TJ| he/him]

15 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

Ah okay, I'll have to reread it. I had just finished going through the votes tallies from previous cycles looking at the world where Stick is evil (which clears all other D2 deaths), to see what that implies. It was definitely feeling that e!Stick means v!Coco, but at least from the tallies, e!Stick and e!Burnt hadn't seemed contradictory to me. The main weird one is L2D3, but that felt like it had the potential for a WGG thing where the explosion already put them as wining the loop, so it was either have 4 elims in the living pool, or they ensure one was in the dead pool, and it'd be better to have the execution do it rather than the night kill. But I'm happy to look further at that.

Hmmm, I'm pretty set on e!Coco, but let's consider a world of v!Coco and e!Stick. 

So it's... Burnt/Stick/TwinStorm/+1 and the +1 HAS to be among in living players at the beginning of Loop 3 -> 

[Coco, Doc, Hael, Mistfallen]

Strikethroughs -> We are considering a v!Coco world. Mistfallen is village from Burnt's fake claim. Hael is village in this world, accurately relaying information about e!Stick, which means Doc HAS to be the 4th elim in this case. 

Doc is NOT paired with Burnt throughout the whole game, so Doc/Burnt e/e ALSO does not make sense. 

As this team and scenario does not make sense, we are back to v!Doc -> e!Coco -> v!Stick -> e!Hael

[Archer he/him]

25 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Ehh, this team is/was set on winning as soon as possible. Does it take a risk to bus someone D3B in the hopes that you will follow-through on N3B? I don't think so. 

If I don't explode us and an elim is exed, nothing changes. The elims just need to make an NK to win the loop, which they were comfortable doing anyway. 

Next round, you get to exe me, maybe also Araris if I claim to have tried and failed. 

And there's one less elim in the suspect pool, plus there intrinsic value of bussing is a benefit. 

They'd probably NK a teammate N3B if v!Coco was exed for the same benefits. If E!Coco, they lose the exe either way. 

20 minutes ago, Haelbarde said:

Anything more is going to have to wait as I must needs sleep, but Drake has appeared in the doc again, so here's what he's saying.

First, he thinks I'm too polite to to be all that effective at conveying the feeling of his messages.

Aman has said we cannot make reference to things outside of the context of this game, so we are somewhat limited in what we can make reference to. Best he can think of is conveying more of the clues you provided: One referring to Pennywise the Clown, one referring to educational facilities, and another referring to a person a game commentator he was not familiar with.

He also thinks people should be more appreciative for him having provided answers to all your problems and that all of this is much the same as what he'd been posting about in previous turns.

Ah okay, I'll have to reread it. I had just finished going through the votes tallies from previous cycles looking at the world where Stick is evil (which clears all other D2 deaths), to see what that implies. It was definitely feeling that e!Stick means v!Coco, but at least from the tallies, e!Stick and e!Burnt hadn't seemed contradictory to me. The main weird one is L2D3, but that felt like it had the potential for a WGG thing where the explosion already put them as wining the loop, so it was either have 4 elims in the living pool, or they ensure one was in the dead pool, and it'd be better to have the execution do it rather than the night kill. But I'm happy to look further at that.

In retrospect, American sports trivia was a bad topic to base two of the clues on. This is accurate. I'm convinced Hael is in communication with Drake. 

5 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I am proud to admit I have solved the first password puzzle - going to a different subforum I was unaware of is a hell of a jump and I'm not ashamed to admit I would not have gotten that without help  Additionally, I've filled in the sudoku words, and now I have four sets of four letters that I'm assuming is some sort of cipher. Archer, you make my brain hurt, but I admit I had fun doing the sudoku  

As to your second point, I don't see how Ashbringer can be helpful here - if the premise is that we don't trust Hael to accurately relay what Drake might be saying, how are we trusting him to relay what Ash is saying? 

Hael and Drake are not e/e unless something crazy is happening. Let's assume we can trust Drake. 

Also assume that Drake would be upset if E!Hael was misquoting him. 

If Drake is being misrepresented, the dead doc should stop cooperating with this exercise. They may have been careless with information already and made this moot, but if we continue to get information from the dead doc, that means they trust Hael, so we should trust Hael. 

Now suppose the team is Archer/CH!Hael. The dead doc certainly won't participate in verification exercises. So if Ashbringer is cooperative, it's likely not a ruse. 

[Amanuensis he/him]

1 hour ago, |TJ| said:

Side-note: @Amanuensis, can elims continue to talk in the elim doc if they are killed in the current Loop? For example, consider Coco to be an elim. Could she continue to talk in the elim doc after she was exe'd in D1C?

Of course not that would be silly

[|TJ| he/him]

9 minutes ago, Archer said:

If I don't explode us and an elim is exed, nothing changes. The elims just need to make an NK to win the loop, which they were comfortable doing anyway. 

Yes, but there is always a chance of the NK being blocked and them losing the Loop. Then you'd actually be village read for NOT Blasting (relatively smaller pool of deaths for us to search for an elim in). And we'd have 1 elim from the Block's target, and 1 more from the deaths in the Loop. 

No, sorry. D3B bus is not a theory I buy. And add my last post for why a Burnt/Stick/TwinStorm/Doc team doesn't work. 

I also just thought of this. I think I would expect Doc to submit kills over Stick if the above were the case (wrt to Stick's availability)

Edited March 15 by |TJ|

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

1 hour ago, Haelbarde said:

Anything more is going to have to wait as I must needs sleep, but Drake has appeared in the doc again, so here's what he's saying.

First, he thinks I'm too polite to to be all that effective at conveying the feeling of his messages.

Aman has said we cannot make reference to things outside of the context of this game, so we are somewhat limited in what we can make reference to. Best he can think of is conveying more of the clues you provided: One referring to Pennywise the Clown, one referring to educational facilities, and another referring to a person a game commentator he was not familiar with.

He also thinks people should be more appreciative for him having provided answers to all your problems and that all of this is much the same as what he'd been posting about in previous turns.

Ah okay, I'll have to reread it. I had just finished going through the votes tallies from previous cycles looking at the world where Stick is evil (which clears all other D2 deaths), to see what that implies. It was definitely feeling that e!Stick means v!Coco, but at least from the tallies, e!Stick and e!Burnt hadn't seemed contradictory to me. The main weird one is L2D3, but that felt like it had the potential for a WGG thing where the explosion already put them as wining the loop, so it was either have 4 elims in the living pool, or they ensure one was in the dead pool, and it'd be better to have the execution do it rather than the night kill. But I'm happy to look further at that.

I didn't believe this before, but this post seems like such a lie to me

41 minutes ago, Archer said:

If I don't explode us and an elim is exed, nothing changes. The elims just need to make an NK to win the loop, which they were comfortable doing anyway. 

Next round, you get to exe me, maybe also Araris if I claim to have tried and failed. 

And there's one less elim in the suspect pool, plus there intrinsic value of bussing is a benefit. 

They'd probably NK a teammate N3B if v!Coco was exed for the same benefits. If E!Coco, they lose the exe either way. 

In retrospect, American sports trivia was a bad topic to base two of the clues on. This is accurate. I'm convinced Hael is in communication with Drake. 

Hael and Drake are not e/e unless something crazy is happening. Let's assume we can trust Drake. 

Also assume that Drake would be upset if E!Hael was misquoting him. 

If Drake is being misrepresented, the dead doc should stop cooperating with this exercise. They may have been careless with information already and made this moot, but if we continue to get information from the dead doc, that means they trust Hael, so we should trust Hael. 

Now suppose the team is Archer/CH!Hael. The dead doc certainly won't participate in verification exercises. So if Ashbringer is cooperative, it's likely not a ruse. 

Mind sharing how it's accurate?

[Archer he/him]

59 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Yes, but there is always a chance of the NK being blocked and them losing the Loop.

We're okay assuming they had Scents, right? So the only risk is a Bremen block. I had Bremen, and your theory relies on me being evil. Therefore, no risk. 

35 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

I didn't believe this before, but this post seems like such a lie to me

Mind sharing how it's accurate?

I sent Drake and Stick a crossword PM D1. If you solve the downs and rearrange the order of the across answers, it basically says I'm the postman. Hael correctly stated most of the clues. Cowl was publicly revealed through thread conversation, but Pat, It, and School are things he couldn't have known about without Drake telling him. 

[Doc12]

Thistle and friends!

In order: Amora, Ap, Lili, Thistle, Zymni, Cindra, Kieran

[Myst He/Him]

I’m coming back around to what TJ and Archer have been saying, which was originally what I was saying. But anyways. Exeing Hael ensures we win the loop(and we can ask Drake about this D1D) so back to Hael

Edited March 15 by Mistfallen Soldier
Hael

[Araris Valerian he/him]

3 hours ago, |TJ| said:

At the very least, she's not evil with Burnt -> she's not evil, which would imply you are lying, and hence my vote. [Side-note: yes I do village-read Drake quite strongly]

This is actually a point of confusion for me. Why does e!Hael set this up to get Stick exed rather than you or Archer? You and Archer can’t both be elim, and there’s plenty of suspicion of the two of you floating around. I think Mist is kinda the only person that was seriously considering Stick as an elim.

[Archer he/him]

Ouae will give Araris a cookie for thag thought. 

Really it comes down to whether you trust Doc isn't evil. They did aggressively vote for Burnt L2. E!Doc replaces E!Coco, and necessitates voting them or Stick instead of voting v!Hael today.
A minor argument for E!Coco is that they were the wealthier of Stick and them, so in an E/E matchup, it made sense for Burnt to vote Stick to improve the Stone plan odds. I imagine that conversation sparked the Stone idea.
The better play, if it was an e/v vote L2D3, would be to vote off the villager, then to NK Mistfallen or a random villager. Either you prioritize the ratio or prioritize IKYK. It would have avoided many of their later issues that derailed the plan, in terms of target and Ash being in contention. 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Another point of confusion: why the heck would e!Hael be the one making this play in the first place? If we haven’t won the loop yet, there are still 2 elims left, and I’m guessing the other one has a bit more village trust than Hael does. The owner of the hat doesn’t have to be the one communicating all this stuff (though not doing it that way could cause problems if there is a major time zone difference).

[|TJ| he/him]

1 hour ago, Archer said:

We're okay assuming they had Scents, right? So the only risk is a Bremen block. I had Bremen, and your theory relies on me being evil. Therefore, no risk. 

Uhhh no? We're talking about e!Stick world, so you'd be village here. 

4 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

This is actually a point of confusion for me. Why does e!Hael set this up to get Stick exed rather than you or Archer? You and Archer can’t both be elim, and there’s plenty of suspicion of the two of you floating around. I think Mist is kinda the only person that was seriously considering Stick as an elim.

Is there? It's possible you're looking only from your POV. I don't think anyone else, other than you (and Archer), seriously suspects me of being evil. Why not Archer? Well, he is still in contention to be the 4th elim teammate [with Coco/Burnt/Hael] as we're considering v!Stick, so he could still be evil. Stick could also be the Path of Least Resistance as they could have chosen someone who was not going to be around much to defend themselves and/or someone who people wouldn't have a strong opinion on defending (they thought slightly wrong). I would like to believe that there would be a bit stronger defense from others if I was blamed. 

7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Another point of confusion: why the heck would e!Hael be the one making this play in the first place? If we haven’t won the loop yet, there are still 2 elims left, and I’m guessing the other one has a bit more village trust than Hael does. The owner of the hat doesn’t have to be the one communicating all this stuff (though not doing it that way could cause problems if there is a major time zone difference).

True, but (a) it always adds more authenticity and veracity to the claim when most of the claim is truthful and only the important part is the lie [I do believe Hael genuinely has Captain's Mask, I think] (b) they could have thought that v!Hael stocks rose after we decided only 1 evil in [TwinStorm/Hael] and decided to exe the TwinStorm (c) We are making assumptions about the 4th teammate being more villager than Hael. 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

2 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

I would like to believe that there would be a bit stronger defense from others if I was blamed. 

I’d have voted you in a heartbeat . And yeah, I think I gotta switch from Stick to Hael. If Hael is village then so are you (and Archer), which frustrates any attempt to believe Hael, if his strongest opposition is village.

Maybe the elims just botched gambits back-to-back. If we don’t want to suppose that, then perhaps both coco and Twinstorm are elims, and this is just a ploy to throw confusion around.