Myst He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 4 minutes ago, Amanuensis said: Sorry this took so long folks I know I keep making excuses but a combination of a lot of things has made writing hard the past few days. It's 4 am so I will go sleep now. Wayward Few Kieran didn’t think. He acted. Unsheathing his sword, he lunged forward, slashing at the pirate. With The Happy Mask Salesman dead…. That left them in a bad situation. Normally he wouldn’t try to fight these people, he was the only person who could fight and they were outnumbered. Unfortunately, they didn’t seem to be interested in talking. As he started to fight. Kieran realized this was going to be a very one-sided fight 1
Araris Valerian he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 I mean, one possibility is that Hael got the dead doc info out of an uncooperative Ash (possibly by asking before the claim came up). I’m a little wary of that sort of verification since I abused it myself several years ago to sneak an elim into a village trust group. Village Stick clears up a lot of the confusion.
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 16 Author Posted March 16 (edited) I will say this about the ghosts before I go. They can bleed and be cut up / blown up. But everything about them is... less than whole. Like 10% material, 90% immaterial. They are hard to kill but not unkillable. If you can sever an arm but let them get it back, they could reattach it. Heads... less so. I like to imagine Arenta is still with us and now yelling at the Ghost Pirates to pay rent Edited March 16 by Amanuensis 1
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 7 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I mean, one possibility is that Hael got the dead doc info out of an uncooperative Ash (possibly by asking before the claim came up). I’m a little wary of that sort of verification since I abused it myself several years ago to sneak an elim into a village trust group. Village Stick clears up a lot of the confusion. Ash has requested you ask him anything.
Myst He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 10 minutes ago, Haelbarde said: Ash has requested you ask him anything. I haven’t PMed Ash at all this game
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 1 minute ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: I haven’t PMed Ash at all this game Thanks for sharing?
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 @Haelbarde Ask Ash what Docs Codeword was from the PM with the Instructions for Burnt and Doc he send me. N1C
Haelbarde he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, Wahrheitswächter said: @Haelbarde Ask Ash what Docs Codeword was from the PM with the Instructions for Burnt and Doc he send me. N1C Surprisingly difficult to work out how to convey without saying the word. It's a military rank, and it's got two different pronunciations of the first syllable. The rest of it sounds like the word for a renter, but the first is sometimes said like the opposite of the direction right. The other way to say it sounds like a three letter word for toilet. Ash does think that it might be better to refer to part of that message not directly relating to the code. 2 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said: yeah, agreed. That means, Hael and Burnt are Elim. Considering that Ash was willing to share info with Hael, I think we can say Stick is Elim? With E!Hael, I can’t think of a reason to share the dead doc’s thinking. Maybe in case they lost the loop? Which means at least one of Coco/Twin is Elim. Otherwise there’s no reason to try to get dead doc goodwill. And he must’ve been sharing it somewhat accurately otherwise he wouldn’t have had access to the info Ash had. That means that Drake did claim that Stick targeted him. And since Drake being Elim doesn’t make sense, Stick is Elim. So we have a Stick/(Coco/Twin)/Hael/Burnt Elim team. what I can’t figure out is why share the dead doc. If they have only one Elim in the dead doc there’s no reason to share. If they have two, that means Coco and Twin are Elims, and they’re going to lose anyways, so they have to get goodwill, but then that gives us a 5 Elims. So… we can’t be winning right now, so we need to exe Hael today. But I’m not sure why Hael is doing what Hael is doing because it doesn’t make sense. Thoughts? If you can't make sense of why E!Hael is doing this, maybe V!Hael is the decision. But if you believe Stick is evil regardless, for what reason do I need to die over Stick? Edit: Link was not convinced that boats were real even as he huddled in the centre of one. That it hadn't sunk seemed less plausible than reliving the same 3 days for the second time, or the moon falling towards Clock Town. He eyed the water level as it lapped near the edge of the boat's upper edge, occasionally spilling in.This had to be the most insane thing he had done. Hugging his pack in front of him, he pulled it open, rummage through, pulling out a bottle of Romani milk that he had managed to acquire before they had left Clock Town. The thought of eating or drinking while already nauseous from the unsteady rocking of the boat threatened to make him reempty his stomach, but that wasn't why he'd retrieved the bottle. Uncorking it, he unsteadily held it out over the side of the boat and emptied the bottle, managing to do so without capsizing the whole thing. Waving it through the air gingerly, he swiftly recorked the bottle. Closing his pack back up, he continued to clasp the bottled air, a little of the tension draining out of him. When he inevitably sank to the bottom of the ocean, he was at least somewhat prepared. ... The turtle rose, and so did the pirate ghosts. The Happy Mask Salesman died before they knew what was happening. Chaos erupted. Link just clutched his pack tighter. Just being here, stepping on to the boat had already used up all the bravery he had to offer. Maybe if he didn't see them, they wouldn't see him. He tried to curl up. It would have been easier if something sharp in his pack didn't keep poking into him. Wait, what was sharp in his pack? ... the mask. He remembered. Commander Viscan, warned by others more familiar to him, when coming to respond to the ruckus Link had caused with the cultists in the gate guards had sent him on to the Happy Mask Salesman to gather with the others who remembered. As they organised, the Salesman had traded for some of his mask (still charging full price despite the circumstances), before securing the rest. He hadn't know what they were all for, so he'd just pointed at one with a toothy goofy grin reminiscent of some Goron he knew, and asked the price. He had the coin for it, so he'd purchased it. As they traveled, he had asked the merchant about it. He had mentioned that the mask, the Captain's Hat had been said to grant some influence over the dead, being bequeathed to the Hero of Time by a dead leader of warriors. He scrabbled for the packs opening, the bottled air forgotten in the moment as it dropped from his hands. He pulled out the mask, hesitating for a few moments as he considered the weirdly skeletal 'hat'. But there was nothing else. The hat covering his face, he cried out "just leave me alone!", willing with all his might that these spectral pirates would do just that, acceding to what power, if any, the hat had. Edited March 16 by Haelbarde Added some RP 3
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) Well I tend to beliefe that Hael is accurately Conveying the Dead Doc, because I cannot see a way for Hale to have learned it another way. ——————————————— RP: It hurt to abandon the Zora taht were in need of help, but they had to get the Mask, no matter what. Wahi drew his knife, mentally he kicked himself for forgetting to bring another Weapon. He jumped at the Pirate that had beheaded The Salesman. Of course the Idiot that he was, he hadnt accounted for them being ghosts, he didnt fall right through them but he now was partially inside that Pirate, who hadnt anticipated that Move and was a bit starteld as Wahi jammed his knife into the Pirates Eye, unfortunately that didnt seem to hut it much but it bleed. He pulled his knife back out and yelled "They can be wounded, so we can probably kill them" as the Pirate got up and threw Wahi out, resulting in a very uncomfortable landing on the Stone and the Sound of a Broken Shoulder. "Why is it always me" asked Wahi as he got back up and lunged again at the Pirate, who was prepared this time and git a cut at Wahis arm in but Wahi managed to pierce the point where the Pirates heart should have been. Resulting in the pirate Dissolving (@Amanuensis is that how the Ghost Pirates work in your Lore or did I get something Wrong?) Edit: told you all that the broken Arm/Shoulder will be Wahis constant Companion throughout the loops Edited March 16 by Wahrheitswächter 2
Archer he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 3 hours ago, Amanuensis said: I will say this about the ghosts before I go. They can bleed and be cut up / blown up. Ghost Ouae hid her knife behind her back. "Uhh, I'm not with those guys." 3 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Correct You gave me a rupee for delivering a message to myself, so something is wrong here. 2 hours ago, Haelbarde said: It's a military rank, and it's got two different pronunciations of the first syllable There's Ash's incomprehensible American accent again, left is the only right answer. If we're openly claiming things, does anyone want to own up to owning Scents? 1
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted March 16 Posted March 16 7 minutes ago, Archer said: If we're openly claiming things, does anyone want to own up to owning Scents? Me! Me! I do!
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Thats somewhat unlikely, we know you have the Stone Mask and from the People doing the Rupee counting I got the feeling that you didnt have the funds for both.
|TJ| he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 7 hours ago, Archer said: Rereading L3D2, Drake pushed TwinStorm and Doc as the exes, and strongly asserted that Hael was village. Could be they read the writing on the wall with an upcoming Hael exe. The plan would have been for us to exe Stick and think they were the third elim, while really, Drake was. We would repeat the exes (saving Burnt for the tiebreaker) and lose. If the elim team assumed Hael would be exed without action, they were losing the loop either way, so NKing Drake was valid. I agree with this fully. If we have (or would) only exe elim, it is a good way of confuddling the village by killing one of the elims for us to wrongly assume we have killed at least 2 elims and repeat the exe cycle to lose in L4. 7 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said: I just wanna be included I want fun thread codes too lol. I must say this is quite a strange experience for me. Being talked about loads in thread, but not being talked to. How am i meant to get my discussion posts up Hey! You're an elim! You can talk in the elim doc! I'm village and I do not have fun thread codes >> Also, you do not need any more rupees smh * The question is, why would Doc lie? Every action and his behaviour from the start of the Loop has been very consistent with buying a 100 rupee Mask. If he is evil, he just Resurrects an elim N3 without revealing anything. We were exeing Hael anyway. Realistically, no one was exeing Doc even though Wonko had a vote on him. It was always going to be Stick or Hael. Now, we can make sure there's contingency if Doc is lying with @Wahrheitswächter Bremen-blocking Doc to prevent a possible Resurrection. Doc should not have any problem with it because there's only 1 Alignment Scan per game. So, I think this is one scan we do believe, imo. We figure out whatever is wrong with the whole Hael/Drake/Stick thing later. It is possible Hael/Drake/Coco/Burnt e/e. I do remember thinking Drake kill was weird in Loop 2. @Amanuensis, I don't think I remember reading about action economy anywhere. Could an elim use a Mask action and submit the elim kill in the same Night?
Archer he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 2 hours ago, Burnt Spaghetti said: Me! Me! I do! Ah ha! I've caught you in a lie. As we all know, you can't have the same mask twice in a row. Burnt >: ( 1 minute ago, |TJ| said: I agree with this fully. If we have (or would) only exe elim, it is a good way of confuddling the village by killing one of the elims for us to wrongly assume we have killed at least 2 elims and repeat the exe cycle to lose in L4. Hey! You're an elim! You can talk in the elim doc! I'm village and I do not have fun thread codes >> Also, you do not need any more rupees smh * The question is, why would Doc lie? Every action and his behaviour from the start of the Loop has been very consistent with buying a 100 rupee Mask. If he is evil, he just Resurrects an elim N3 without revealing anything. We were exeing Hael anyway. Realistically, no one was exeing Doc even though Wonko had a vote on him. It was always going to be Stick or Hael. Now, we can make sure there's contingency if Doc is lying with @Wahrheitswächter Bremen-blocking Doc to prevent a possible Resurrection. Doc should not have any problem with it because there's only 1 Alignment Scan per game. So, I think this is one scan we do believe, imo. We figure out whatever is wrong with the whole Hael/Drake/Stick thing later. It is possible Hael/Drake/Coco/Burnt e/e. I do remember thinking Drake kill was weird in Loop 2. @Amanuensis, I don't think I remember reading about action economy anywhere. Could an elim use a Mask action and submit the elim kill in the same Night? That makes sense to me. The only scenario where Doc does this is to distance from Hael. And resurrection is the only way for us to lose the round, if we've been right about Hael and one of the others being evil. The downside is we potentially don't block an NK. I'm too lazy to figure out how Stone!Burnt and/or a missed NK play out in terms of loop results. Burnt Hael
Divergent He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 Read everything and it made my head spin I'm inclined to think that Hael is elim between him and Stick, but I have a question, why would e!Hael kill Drake? That's something I'm trying to wrap my head around since Drake, as far as I know, was Hael's biggest advocate and he would have fought hard to make sure we weren't exe-ing Hael today, so that's confusing
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) Assume the following: E: Coco, Burnt, Drake, Hael The Plan was probably to get us to exe both Mist and Burnt with Burnts Scent claim. Coco has enough time to get Stone as a Failsafe and with The Hael / Drake attempt to frame Stick we kill a second villager (Mist and Stick) and Hael gets Village Cred. This needs a dead Drake to work and wins us the Loop but we would probably exe the same Players next loop getting us to loose L4 to our Own Hybris. Thats the most logical explanation I could think of. Edited March 16 by Wahrheitswächter
Divergent He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 7 minutes ago, Wahrheitswächter said: Assume the following: E: Coco, Burnt, Drake, Hael The Plan was probably to get us to exe both Mist and Burnt with Burnts Scent claim. Coco has enough time to get Stone as a Failsafe and with The Hael / Drake attempt to frame Stick we kill a second villager (Mist and Stick) and Hael gets Village Cred. This needs a dead Drake to work and wins us the Loop but we would probably exe the same Players next loop getting us to loose L4 to our Own Hybris. Thats the most logical explanation I could think of. Something I was thinking was that a Hael/Burnt/Coco world doesn't make sense because Hael, for the first time, made actual reads to try and save Burnt in L2 D1 and then didn't do anything to save Coco at all D2 and D3. Then I rechecked and he made one post in D2 and then disappeared for the rest of the loop, so that team actually can work Another reservation I had though was that, partially I think the elims targeted Wonko because of the amount of rupees he had (which was a lot), but then they don't go and target Doc too, even after knowing he could have even more rupees with both Postman and Bunny in previous loop. But I guess, it makes sense if their goal was to solidify the v!read on Drake by killing him L2 and it doesn't really make a lot of sense for e!Doc to claim Mask of Truth here when it's looking like Hael is getting exe'd. So, I guess it checks out (flipless games intensify paranoia lol)
Doc12 Posted March 16 Posted March 16 8 hours ago, Haelbarde said: I keep forgetting Burnt has the stone mask and cannot take actions while wearing it. I could not make sense of why Doc would be so concerned about Stick dying if they had the resurrection mask. But it's making a bit more sense now. If there is one elim dead by the start of Night 3, the game state is at 8:3. If nothing happens during the night, 8:3 is a village win. If a night kill happens, 7:3 is a elim win If a resurrection happens, but not a night kill, 8:4 is an elim win If both resurrection and night kill happen, 7:4 is very much an elim win. So the fact that there are mask in play that could interfere with both the kill and the resurrection does mean that even 1 elim dead is not ideal. So what are the worlds where there's at least one elim dead. So I know, even if I cannot prove it, that Doc is evil. I can only see that Doc would reveal himself if Stick being under threat risked the elims losing this loop. This means I am think it's safe to lock in Stick as evil. The only question then is who in the Mist / Coco / Twin pool is the final elim. With two of them being dead, this puts us in one of two worlds: World 1: No dead elims Evil team is Burnt / Doc / Stick / Mist. If Stick dies, as per above, provided the resurrection and kill aren't both prevented, they win. Say they don't actually have the res mask, Doc pulling fire makes it more likely that Mist gets off the night kill even if Stick does die. This might be slightly more risky than just trying to talk the village into killing me over Stick, but not overly so. World 2: One dead elim Evil team is Burnt / Doc / Stick and one of Coco / Twin.* Problem with Stick dying is that now two elims are dead. 9:2 going into N3. Even with a kill and a resurrection, you end up with 8:3, with a village win. Plus, Burnt cannot take actions, so it's just Doc who can do anything so you only get the kill or the resurrection, not both. So Stick dying is a definite Village Win. So Doc exposes himself to try and ensure Stick survives. This puts us into the 8:3 N3 world from above, with Doc and Stick able to put the resurrection and kill in. Though both exposed, they still have a shot at successfully achieving at least one of the actions, making for an elim victory. There is the question of why no N2 resurrection. I think that's because it would unnecessarily have exposed Doc as evil (being the only possible person to having enough rupees to pull it off), and when there was no reason to expect that Stick would have been exposed by Don Gero this turn, why risk it when you could have just resurrected Coco/Twin this evening after a simple Hael execution. (*: There is the world where the dead elim is in fact Drake. This does not make much sense though, as e!Drake requires v!Stick, and with Stick and I as the only candidates, I don't see why Doc would need to expose himself.) The upshot of it is, Doc exposing himself as an eliminator with potentially the rupees to buy a hundred rupee mask is not an unreasonable action despite being an unusual and confusing move atfirst glance Apologies for claiming and disappearing, in retrospect should not have made a major claim before I was due for bedtime, glad Aman was able to clarify though. Also I'm on mobile so quotes are not going to work very well. To Hael, above, the issue with your claim is 1) Stick was not in danger at all this cycle, you were the one set to be Exed for safety reasons. 2) The resurrect N3 seems unnecessarily complicated. There's no risk exposing myself as evil if I resurrect a elim n2 because then elims would win no matter what. 8 hours ago, |TJ| said: not another storming claim. Flipping hell guys... So buy Mask of Truth N1C Equip it D2C Scan Hael N2C? Why did you decide on Hael? @Doc12 Flipless hell, technically , and I didn't decide. I told TUM and Wahr I was interested in scanning you and Archer because Archer was the one I actually thought evil. I told them both to put the player they wanted scanned in the first post of n2 right after mentioning me, and both said Hael. So really. In my mind then, Hael was just a safety to make sure we weren't wrong with Twin, so it was good judgment on their part. 7 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said: TUM and I recieved Docs Claim Via PM in D2 During N2 i used a Code in thread to let him know who he should Scan in my oppinion (Hael) And in N2 he let me (and presumeably TUM as well) via PM know that his Vote would indicate Haels allignment (he couldnt send a PM because of Delay Reasons) Also this wasn't the specific quote, but yes I have used my one charge of Truth. As TJ said, you can block me as insurance if you distrust me.
The Unknown Medallion he/him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) 10 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said: Yes, you are probably right. So TUM was not refrencing Docs Mask of Truth but me Owning the Bremen Mask, which I had already informed TUM about. I didnt want to reveal it until this day to avoid being NKed for it. Not referencing this but it's nice to have out in the open I have the Mask of Scents myself Edit: (TJ visited no one last night) Edited March 16 by The Unknown Medallion
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 16 Author Posted March 16 One action per night per player. PMs don't count but equipping / unequipping does.
Through the living Wahr He/Him Posted March 16 Posted March 16 (edited) I blocked Hael, So I guess Drake comitted Suicide and NKed himself. If my current Theorie of Burnt, Coco, Hael, Drake is correct Edited March 16 by Wahrheitswächter
Amanuensis he/him Posted March 16 Author Posted March 16 (edited) 9 hours and 15 minutes remain in the Day (8) Hael: TJ, Stick, Doc, Wahrheit, Mistfallen, Araris, Archer, Divergent, (1) Stick: Hael, (1) Doc: Wonko, Edited March 16 by Amanuensis
Stick. she/her Posted March 16 Posted March 16 GOATED doc he was being weird about the stone mask bid so this explains it Edit: so I guess they are playing the long game…checks out if u think ahead with the number of cleared villagers and the L2 group having 1 max will probably limit a lot
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