Long Game 110? [Sign Ups]: Termina Abandoned (A Majora's Mask Mafia Adventure)

[Myst He/Him]

6 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Right, so I’ve been going back through previous posts and while I was originally only going to include those whose names are mainly being tossed around right now, I decided to just put in everyone, because idk, maybe that’s helpful.

Since this will be very long, I’m going to put it in a spoiler box

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TUM - Hard cleared due to last loop. Hasn’t been super active. Asked to be exed for the sake of a rupee reset, which was obliged.

Araris - He’s been very safe with his posts so far, not posting too much that’s a new idea or specifically driving conversation (until this cycle). This has been noted by others as well. He has also changed his reads on people multiple times (going from saying Archer and Wonko and probably both village to now it seems like Archer is one of his main suspects) in rather drastic ways, which I understand is how the game works, but still. He also has been saying he’s “wary” of myself and Archer but hasn’t actually offered much explanation as to why and did not answer when asked about it. He also started the Divergent train and then at the end of the day decided he didn’t like it, but did not remove his vote. He did something similar with Wahr, starting the vote because of a misunderstanding but then not removing it when that was cleared and it gained traction, although he then proceeded to call suspicion onto the people on that train. Araris is my strongest elim read at the moment.

Wahr - Hard cleared due to last loop. Has been decently active. Was exed because he was acting kind of strange and very defensive. Sorry about that, Wahr. But hey, at least you’re hard cleared now!

Ashbringer - Hard cleared due to last loop. Hasn’t been very active in discussion, mostly doing rp. Got NKed, presumably because of low activity?

 TJ - Has not been very active. Stuff seems to keep coming up? That could just be an excuse, and he’s trying to fly under the radar, but I’m inclined to believe him because I haven’t seen him in the “recently browsing” section very much and it’s brought attention to him, so if he was elim I don’t think he would stick with that at all strategy. While there is a chance he’s both actually busy and an elim, I don’t think it’s very high. Kind of concerned about how many votes he’s getting right now. Light village read, but mostly neutral due to lack of posts.

Honors Ghost/Stick - Seemed to actually be inactive rather than just faking it since they needed to get Stick in to pinch hit. Stick seems to be participating in discussion fairly productively and bringing up some good points. There was a train starting on them about halfway through D1 but I don’t remember anyone fighting particularly hard against it or really anything that seemed like a counter train, although the votes were a bit of a mess the whole time, so I may have just missed something. I had a thought at one point that maybe HG was elim and realized they weren’t active enough to do well, so decided to just call in a pinch hitter and be done, but Stick’s posts since then have changed my mind on that front. I also targeted them with Bremen N2 last loop (for that reason) but that didn’t do anything. Village read.

Hael - I feel like Hael is one of the more inactive players, but upon looking back at the last cycle, that’s just not super accurate. I’m just not getting much from his posts. But it does seem like he’s contributing at least a little bit, and has been giving important PSAs. He was tied with TUM to be exed D3A but wasn’t really ever in danger (unless someone had added another vote, of course, but that’s didn’t happen) because of how ties work. So while that does give him some village cred, I don’t know that it means as much as we want it to. Pretty neutral read, maybe very light village.

Wonko - NKed last night. Probably postman? Seemed very against the idea of blowing up the postman. Was briefly sussed for bringing up elim strategy stuff D1A but most people agreed it seemed pretty genuine. Has been fairly active and contributing to discussion quite a bit, bringing up good points. Started the Mistfallen train D1 which seemed a bit weird, but did offer some explanation, and did later change their vote. Got Bunny first loop but didn’t get much use out of it. Was maybe trying to get enough rupees for a higher tier mask? That’s not really going to be possible anymore though. I guess that’s a potential reason to kill them. Light village read.

Doc - Was postman last loop and used that pretty well. Offered a list of all PM senders/receivers, which was fairly helpful. Also gives us an idea of people who might not be elims together, as sending PMs to each other doesn’t make a whole lot of sense when they have a doc for that (haha silly pun) and we didn’t know the postman was told who sends/receives them until later. Has also been contributing to discussion, posting some reads and analysis, etc. After the last game I feel like I shouldn’t trust him, but I feel like he’s been doing fairly villagery things. So light village read.

Burnt - I’m kind of struggling to get a good read on Burnt at the moment. She has been decently active, but not a crazy amount. Maybe bare minimum for rupees? Lots of rp. The train on her yesterday was pretty large and it seemed to be switching back and forth between her and Divergent quite a bit. I thought she might try to cram in more posts for extra rupees, but didn’t see that happening, although Divergent did end up pulling ahead anyway. I also thought if she is elim they would have maybe tried to defend her a bit more, but that didn’t happen. I’m a little confused about what was going on with all the vote trains D1. I would have been fine with her being exed then, and I still would be now, she’s just not the top of my list. Light elim read? But also fairly neutral.

Coder/Drake - Coder was decently active but doing more rp than discussion from what I remember. Nothing really stood out to me from their posts in either direction. Drake has also been quite active, and doing more discussion than rp. I like what he is saying and he’s bringing up good points. He also needed some clarification on rules and such when he first joined in, which I feel like an elim would have just asked the other elims about. Village read.

Mistfallen - Has consistently been the most active person here. Contributing a lot to discussion and often leading it. Had scents mask last loop, but didn’t learn much from it. The train on them yesterday gained a lot of momentum very quickly and then lost it very quickly, which is a little bit concerning. I found that train a bit odd since I feel like most people have been mainly reading village from them. It’s possible that they are elim and the elims decided to start/hop on to a counterwagon on Burnt and/or Divergent to stop them from being exed, but I kind of doubt that. Village read.

Divergent - Has been consistently active. Contributing to discussion and bringing up good points. Had don gero loop 1 but unfortunately didn’t find anything with it. I did find some of their posts slightly off, and I feel like I don’t have as much of a read on them as I should for how active they’ve been, which is slightly concerning. Also concerning to me is how quickly the train on them grew and all of the chaos at the end of the day. I voted on them to tie it between them and Burnt, assuming it would probably stay that way since it was close to rollover, and I wasn’t sure which would win in a tie and was fine with either being exed, but the amount of change that occurred at the end of the day makes me think one of them is probably elim. I just don’t know which. Light elim read. But if Burnt ends up being elim, then village, and vice versa.

Archer - Consistently active and adding a lot to discussion. I was a little bit suspicious D1 since they only decided to start discussing elim strategy and all that after Wonko already had, meaning it was already on their mind and they just didn’t want to discuss it until someone else had already started that conversation. There was also the code stuff with Mistfallen, but I don’t really think that’s an issue since we did find out what they were talking about and they were very open about it once the loop was over. They wanted to know about who had which masks and what was discovered at the start of this loop and were sort of leading conversation around that. I was (and am) still a bit suspicious of them towards the end of the first loop so I did use Bremen on them. I guess they could have sent in the kill and I managed to block it, but I honestly don’t know. I really can’t get a good read on them, which I feel like is kind of a problem considering how active they’ve been. I’m leaning village, but it could really go either way.

Hoid Slayer - “Inactive” but not really. Not contributing to discussion for the most part and throwing in random votes for the sake of chaos. I did have an elim read on him, assuming that he was kind of faking the inactivity and using it to go under the radar a bit since he was actually posting quite a lot and looking at the thread a lot, but he has requested a pinch hitter, so that theory is out the window now. I’ll wait on a read until the pinch hitter gets in here.

Wow that was a lot I just spent like 2 hours on that post, yay effort I guess

I definitely agree on the Burnt train, it was pretty big and now has just immediately vanished? Very odd. Especially since it’s pretty clear TJ is inactive due to irl stuff, I’m not really sure why people are so sus of him.

So Araris Burnt
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Amora helps people get settled in, finding food and blankets, just as she had done the last time.

As she is assisting a small family get settled in to finally sleep, she sees Thistle running by in distress, and follows.

“Thistle! Hey! What’s wrong?”

Just a heads up in regard to your “Wonko trying for a higher mask” thing, I don’t believe it’s possible to get the DF loop 5 any more.

Doc and Wonko were the only people able to, and Wonko just got exed. Even if Doc has bunny right now, he sent PMs, and not all 16 players sent them to begin with. Even with the change in how the bunny mask works, unless I’m wrong with either my math or Doc’s current rupee count(assuming he bought bunny and not a different mask). It’s no longer possible to obtain 

[coco.pudding she/they]

Just now, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Just a heads up in regard to your “Wonko trying for a higher mask” thing, I don’t believe it’s possible to get the DF loop 5 any more.

Doc and Wonko were the only people able to, and Wonko just got exed. Even if Doc has bunny right now, he sent PMs, and not all 16 players sent them to begin with. Even with the change in how the bunny mask works, unless I’m wrong with either my math or Doc’s current rupee count(assuming he bought bunny and not a different mask). It’s no longer possible to obtain 

Oh I’m not talking FD I know that’s not possible anymore. I just meant a silver, since in a perfect scenario (no mask buying, no PMs, max rupees every cycle) someone would start loop 4 with exactly 100 but I don’t think anyone is getting that perfect scenario anymore, so the extra from bunny/postman will be needed

[Myst He/Him]

8 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Oh I’m not talking FD I know that’s not possible anymore. I just meant a silver, since in a perfect scenario (no mask buying, no PMs, max rupees every cycle) someone would start loop 4 with exactly 100 but I don’t think anyone is getting that perfect scenario anymore, so the extra from bunny/postman will be needed

Ah. Alright, it was possible with Wonko, but he got exed, so it’s not anymore 

[Archer he/him]

My gut is screaming Mistfallen after his last two posts. I need to pinpoint why

RIP Gor the Goron

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Doc, you weren't supposed to say it out loud

 

[Amanuensis he/him]

• (3) Burnt: Doc, Mistfallen, coco, 
• (2) Mistfallen: Stick, Archer, 
• (2) TJ: Drake, Ashbringer, 
• (1) Araris: Wahrheit, 
• (1) Archer: Araris, 

[Myst He/Him]

7 minutes ago, Archer said:

My gut is screaming Mistfallen after his last two posts. I need to pinpoint why

RIP Gor the Goron

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Doc, you weren't supposed to say it out loud

 

For tracking rupees? That just takes a spread sheet and Doc sharing who PMed who

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

I thought there was no loop 5 anyway.  Loop 4 just gets another day. Hence no revives

So fd was never possible

[Araris Valerian he/him]

8 hours ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Who do you think constitutes the pool of 'high' activity players circa loop 1?

Looking at votes, you, Burnt, and Hael would not qualify (Ash too but he's village).

Archer, Wonko, Mistfallen, Doc, Divergent, and coco are all pretty prolific posters during D1a and D2a, which is the time frame during which the elims would have needed to decide that they were going for the win. Wonko is likely village for drawing the NK.

Now, if Hoid, Archer, and Mistfallen (the side trains from D2a with 2 votes) are all village then the elims wouldn't really have needed to be active then to avoid getting exed. I'm not sure anyone here is convinced that is the case, though.

5 hours ago, Doc12 said:

Lastly, surprised that we're not just exeing Burnt from last cycle. 

Can you explain your reasoning for Burnt? I think the lack of flips means that just exeing the counter-train isn't a great strategy, at least without further reasoning.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Coliver did not like the cold. They'd found the tracks of the main group leading toward the Goron village and followed them here, though Tersde was a bit worried that it was so easy to keep track of the group. Coliver wasn't too sure that mattered. Things were different this time, and not just by her own actions. And there were enough stories of time in Termina that she didn't think she was the only one who could remember the prior three days. 

The being in Marton certainly seemed to react to it. Much more than the imminent danger, in fact. As if it didn't think it was relevant that the night would be filled with flame over the fact that she knew about it.

Coliver was back to thinking of him as an it. Strange. But that laugh... it wasn't Zora. Or anything she'd heard on Termina.

In some ways it was a bit comforting, knowing she was right, that it couldn't be Marton. Mostly it was wrong. Like the warmth of a burning childhood home.

The Goron seemed welcoming enough of refugees, at least. They'd had their own form of strife. There were more and more faces she vaguely remembered from the forests, though she found herself looking for...

"Marton's not here," Makazi said. That was at least right. Whatever it was, it was pretty conspicuous with that sword. Or stance. Or... something.

But Coliver spotted someone else. Their eyes had glanced over her, looking for something, but she knew that face.

"Thistle! Hello!" she said, leaving Makazi and the others to join her. "And you're... Amora? Right? Please tell me you reme... I think we met before."

@Doc12 @coco.pudding

 

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2 hours ago, coco.pudding said:

I definitely agree on the Burnt train, it was pretty big and now has just immediately vanished? Very odd. Especially since it’s pretty clear TJ is inactive due to irl stuff, I’m not really sure why people are so sus of him.

Not so sure it's clear cut; someone like Stick is also pretty inactive, but TJ's more elimmy to me. Maybe for personal reasons, but aD3 was a lot of him focusing on me as the NK instead of anything that would have made a difference, vs Stick being more moment-to-moment impact.

But also TJ's said he'd be more free today, and well...

@|TJ| any reads preferences?

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[coco.pudding she/they]

11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

Can you explain your reasoning for Burnt? I think the lack of flips means that just exeing the counter-train isn't a great strategy, at least without further reasoning.

I can’t speak to Doc’s reasoning but I know for me it’s because that train had so much traction on D1 and then it just vanished. I was fairly sus of Burnt already, as were (clearly) many other people, but then she didn’t get exed. Which is fine, but I don’t think we should be discounting her, I still think it’s very possible that she is an elim and I don’t think we should move on so quickly. Especially to someone like TJ who has just been inactive so there’s not really a good reason to vote for him at the moment. Maybe he’s not actually inactive, but what I’ve seen leads me to believe he is.

I’m also not so certain it was a counter train, both Burnt and Divergent had a lot of votes and it was very unclear which one would get exed until right at the end. It feels more like we just had two trains, rather than the Burnt train being a response to the Divergent one.

You are still my main sus but I’m fine with going back to a train I agree with especially since it feels weird it was dropped so quickly when there were so many people on it.

9 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Not so sure it's clear cut; someone like Stick is also pretty inactive, but TJ's more elimmy to me. Maybe for personal reasons, but aD3 was a lot of him focusing on me as the NK instead of anything that would have made a difference, vs Stick being more moment-to-moment impact.

But also TJ's said he'd be more free today, and well...

Yeah, that is a good point. Idk, I just feel like if he was an elim he would maybe at least make an effort to look at the thread a little bit? Or say something, since the inactiveness is clearly not in his favor here. But if he continues on as he is it definitely seems like something to look into.

Also. I’m curious your thoughts on Burnt? Since you were on that train D1.
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9 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

"Thistle! Hello!" she said, leaving Makazi and the others to join her. "And you're... Amora? Right? Please tell me you reme... I think we met before."

Amora racks her brain, trying to remember this person. They had been there…in the evacuation, before. Yes. But then they vanished in the night. She never did find out what had happened to them, there had been too much going on.

“Er, yes. Hello. I do believe I remember you. But we never had a chance to speak. And I never did ask where you went? I’m afraid I got caught up in everything that was going on. Glad to see you made it out, this time.”

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

9 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Thanks! This all checks out to me. I’m not entirely sure about the last two bullets, but you’ve convinced me in principle, and made me more interested in hearing TJ’s thoughts on where to go from here. My gut still is trying to ignore him for whatever reason.

What are your thoughts on Archer/coco?

Also, I’m mildly concerned that everyone you list as being implicated by Wonko’s list is in the low-medium activity zone. My take is that the elims would need a decent amount of activity to reasonably aim for the L1 win, which conflicts with that list. Do you (and others) think that’s a baseless assumption? I suppose I can see Stick leading a quieter elim team in that direction.

This post gives me massive Araris/TJ e/e vibes

Also don't like the acknowledgement of fitting his on criteria as that could be e!Araris tmi-ing his reasoning for train dynamics

8 hours ago, Stick. said:

mmmm i think yea ur right i prolly would’ve pushed for an L1 win as e regardless of my team composition cuz winning 3 consecutive loops means we wouldn’t have had to the play loop 4 and as e i usually want games over asap LOL so I would’ve gone for an all or nothing approach, although thinking a bit more about it I think that if any of my teammates were under heavy suspicion I would have advocated for a loss for L1 cuz imo that loop is better for elims to lose than any of the later loops? I haven’t done the math for it but that’s just what my heart says 

 

….that said I only subbed in towards the end of L1 D2 so none of this is actually relevant cuz they obv made the decision to go for the win N1 with the holstered kill,, Good food for thought tho 

 

but anyway, a wonko kill is weird because killing a confirmed is optimal for N1 since that is the one turn no investigative or manipulative actions will happen since we’ll all be busy equipping the masks. u can always kill other nonconf villagers to dilute the pool of suspects later on in the loop if u expect u may end up losing 2 elims 

don’t rly think wonko can be e

 

level 1 take here would be that it means divergent was e, but it could also mean Mistfallen is e and the kill was a preemptive response to them receiving pressure the previous day. also for lying about me lurking and never rly acknowledging it and their train basically becoming inconsequential by eod despite the number of ppl that expressed suspicion on them throughout the turn 

 

im also willing to vote Burnt for being an obvious teammate with mistfallen (plus my logic re: Mistfallen and the wonko nk applies to burnt as well, though maybe a tad less so for being somewhat “too on the nose”) 

 

won’t stop a TJ train obv interested to see his response 

 

@Araris Valerian I might’ve missed something but when did u go from “archer and wonko are both v” to “there’s got to be at least one e between them”? cuz i remember mind melding with that earlier take of urs during loop 1 

I saw you were already asked but I don't think you responded

Why do you think Burnt would be a likely teammate for Mist when she was Mist's countertrain/the train that first took pressure off of Mist

6 hours ago, Stick. said:

yuss thank u

 

that makes sense but during N3 they’ll be at greater risk of hard outing an alive elim (ie the nk carrier) via Mask of Scents, Kreaton Mask, and Don Gero or risking a no kill via Bremen or Stone Mask. would probably be not so great if they’re at the stage where they’ve lost 2 already 

I think N3 is actually less likely to be hit by some masks because theoretically more charges could be used before n3

19 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I can’t speak to Doc’s reasoning but I know for me it’s because that train had so much traction on D1 and then it just vanished. I was fairly sus of Burnt already, as were (clearly) many other people, but then she didn’t get exed. Which is fine, but I don’t think we should be discounting her, I still think it’s very possible that she is an elim and I don’t think we should move on so quickly. Especially to someone like TJ who has just been inactive so there’s not really a good reason to vote for him at the moment. Maybe he’s not actually inactive, but what I’ve seen leads me to believe he is.

I’m also not so certain it was a counter train, both Burnt and Divergent had a lot of votes and it was very unclear which one would get exed until right at the end. It feels more like we just had two trains, rather than the Burnt train being a response to the Divergent one.

You are still my main sus but I’m fine with going back to a train I agree with especially since it feels weird it was dropped so quickly when there were so many people on it.

Yeah, that is a good point. Idk, I just feel like if he was an elim he would maybe at least make an effort to look at the thread a little bit? Or say something, since the inactiveness is clearly not in his favor here. But if he continues on as he is it definitely seems like something to look into.

Also. I’m curious your thoughts on Burnt? Since you were on that train D1.
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Amora racks her brain, trying to remember this person. They had been there…in the evacuation, before. Yes. But then they vanished in the night. She never did find out what had happened to them, there had been too much going on.

“Er, yes. Hello. I do believe I remember you. But we never had a chance to speak. And I never did ask where you went? I’m afraid I got caught up in everything that was going on. Glad to see you made it out, this time.”

Curious why a train having a lot of traction, then disappearing is suspicious to you? Like, I know how it can be, but generally a train losing traction is indicative of villagers reevaluating or elims having to protect teammates, neither of which indicates Burnt here I would think 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

24 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

I can’t speak to Doc’s reasoning but I know for me it’s because that train had so much traction on D1 and then it just vanished.

My take on why it vanished is that nobody really had a strong reason to be voting there in the first place. That might be partly related to the flipless nature of the game. Regardless, if you think Burnt is elim, then presumably some of the folks that originally voted for her would be as well, for the train vanishing to be a relevant data point. Which of the Burnt voters are you most suspicious of?

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

3 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

And yall were getting mad at me for talking to Archer in code.

Not sure what I think so far, I feel like the Elims would NK whether Dive was Elim or not. As it makes sure we have to kill two Elims. An NK does seem weird, especially since Loop 1 they waited till N2. But honestly, hindsight will play a large role here in loop 3.

I feel like Doc had a pretty good point about how there was a train on Burnt D1B, but now it’s not there(it’s why I waited) and that makes me feel like we need to continue it. I know people have shifted to TJ, but I haven’t seen anything from the people who voted Burnt on why they aren’t now, aside from being sus of TJ.

As such Burnt I’m not sure I want to exe TJ, as most of his inactivity was from real life stuff and I don’t want to exe him over that. There were some good points, but I think the Burnt train needs to reappear because it vanished immediately after D1B

You were around on Day 1B when the Burnt wagon shifted to Divergent, and you left your vote on Stick where it didn't affect things.

Pardon my directness, but why do you suddenly care now?

...also, if trains vanishing for no good reason on D1B is sufficient criteria to kill someone, shouldn't we also kill you?

[coco.pudding she/they]

11 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

Like, I know how it can be, but generally a train losing traction is indicative of villagers reevaluating or elims having to protect teammates, neither of which indicates Burnt here I would think 

Oh, is it? I guess I hadn’t really thought of it that way, I kinda just saw people sussing her and then suddenly moving on with no explanation as to why they stopped. I guess that would make sense though. Maybe I don’t have as good an idea of how that works as I think I do haha

I guess I’m kind of treating it as if we just went straight into this day when we really didn’t, so people did have time to reevaluate.

10 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said:

My take on why it vanished is that nobody really had a strong reason to be voting there in the first place. That might be partly related to the flipless nature of the game. Regardless, if you think Burnt is elim, then presumably some of the folks that originally voted for her would be as well, for the train vanishing to be a relevant data point. Which of the Burnt voters are you most suspicious of?

I do think there was (at least some) reasoning to vote there. There is a decent possibility that Burnt is elim. I’m not entirely sure of it but I do think one of her or Divergent is. So I guess that answers your question too, it would be Divergent (though in that case I don’t think Burnt is elim since both of them being elim seems like a situation where the elims would try to change things) or maybe Doc? But I generally feel like Doc is village, so I’m less certain of that. I guess I’m not terribly suspicious of anyone on that train.

Hm. This was definitely an angle I hadn’t thought about, I kinda just saw no people on a recent large train and went “huh, that’s weird, what happened to all those voters?” But it does make sense that people could have just reevaluated. So I’m going to think on it and come back with my own reevaluation as well.

13 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

This post gives me massive Araris/TJ e/e vibes

Also don't like the acknowledgement of fitting his on criteria as that could be e!Araris tmi-ing his reasoning for train dynamics

Are you also getting an elim read on Araris then? I had voted for him earlier but it didn’t seem like that was going anywhere. But I am very suspicious of him and would be willing to vote on him again.

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

2 hours ago, Archer said:

My gut is screaming Mistfallen after his last two posts. I need to pinpoint why

oh thank goodness it's not just me

31 minutes ago, The Unknown Medallion said:

This post gives me massive Araris/TJ e/e vibes

this is also a good take 

[Myst He/Him]

19 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

You were around on Day 1B when the Burnt wagon shifted to Divergent, and you left your vote on Stick where it didn't affect things.

Pardon my directness, but why do you suddenly care now?

...also, if trains vanishing for no good reason on D1B is sufficient criteria to kill someone, shouldn't we also kill you?

Well for one, as far as I could tell, no one had good reasons for voting me. But if you want to go ahead. The reason I find this suspicious is because no one who’s voted Burnt has posted anything reevaluating it. There’s just been a switch to TJ. Which actually says more about those people rather than Burnt… hmm, I’m gonna go look at who voted her again.

As for leaving my vote, at that point I was not convinced either of them were Elim, and in that case it’s best to see what people do, either to convince you or switching votes.

 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

I'm spiraling hard into tinfoil and tunnels land rn

the elim team is TJ/Mistfallen/Araris with idk Coco or Hoid as the last

everything makes so much sense now

we've cracked this case wide open

we should've probably just listened to Stick yesterday

yeah I'm not optimist enough to seriously believe in it, I'm going to take a break and come back to it later

[Myst He/Him]

Alright, the burnt train was Doc, Ash, Dive, and Wonko. That kinda explains how it fell apart, two of the 4 people died. Now Ash is cleared.

Wonko voted Burnt because he didn’t like the appearance of a counter-train.

Doc voted Burnt because out of Wonko and Burnt he felt Burnt was being less helpful 

Dive voted Burnt because she didn’t do anything with her reads.

Hmmm, Wonko was killed by the NK, which could be because Burnt is Elim, or it could be because the thought he was postman based on the convo about the blast mask. But they didn’t kill Doc last loop? 

Im not sure what to make of this yet but Burnt. 

15 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I'm spiraling hard into tinfoil and tunnels land rn

the elim team is TJ/Mistfallen/Araris with idk Coco or Hoid as the last

everything makes so much sense now

we've cracked this case wide open

we should've probably just listened to Stick yesterday

yeah I'm not optimist enough to seriously believe in it, I'm going to take a break and come back to it later

Obviously disagree with myself, but I’ve been coming around to Araris, and as I’ve mentioned, I’d prefer not to vote TJ. I look forward to seeing what you have post next cause so far you and Archer have been saying I’m Elim cause vibes.

[coco.pudding she/they]

12 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

I'm spiraling hard into tinfoil and tunnels land rn

the elim team is TJ/Mistfallen/Araris with idk Coco or Hoid as the last

everything makes so much sense now

we've cracked this case wide open

we should've probably just listened to Stick yesterday

yeah I'm not optimist enough to seriously believe in it, I'm going to take a break and come back to it later

Tinfoil and tunnels is crazy

I can see TJ and Araris together but idk if I see Mistfallen also in that team. But I am getting more sus of Mistfallen as the day goes on, so maybe. 

Out of Araris and TJ I still don’t love the idea of voting TJ until he’s at least had a chance to respond to the allegations. But I can definitely see looking more closely at him a little later on, when he can hopefully actually be active and respond. Araris has had that chance and has not taken it. 
(I feel very validated rn as someone who’s been sussing him for a while lol)

I don’t think it’s Hoid, I think he was just genuinely not able to be active and I think it’s good he’s requested a pinch hitter. 
(Yes I do realize that narrows it down to me but ya know what that’s fine)

[Ashbringer he/him]

Fair enough

TJ coco

Edit: would also be nice to have a train above 2 or 3, perhaps…

Edited March 4 by Ashbringer

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

why would you ask for that while deconsolidating your own vote 

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

I do find it interesting how there were so many voting me and voicing suspicions, but then not getting the same thing today, its been some different players, some overlap, but yeah. I don't really know how to respond to this, i'm not sure i've been given much to respond to? /shrug

I can't decide if this feels more like confused villagers voting me or elims looking for potential easy vote targets to distract from others. Its been mostly the same names in circulation pretty much every day it feels. Makes me feel like there's definitely elims who are being discussed and scrutinized. So I feel like we're on the right track? But also don't know if we got it right or got successfully distracted.

Are there any combinations of players we currently think it would be extremely unlikely to not have an elim in the mix? Are these comparable for common factors?

____

was about to rp but rp to come later i got busy

 

[|TJ| he/him]

Okay, starting my re-reading from Day 2-A (and assuming Wonko is village because irrespective of the alignment of Divergent, we would need to kill another elim to win the Mask this cycle and there is no need to elims to shoot themselves last cycle) - 

• Wonko races to a 2-0 lead with votes from Mistfallen and Araris. 
• Wonko and Coder vote Archer to make it 2-2
• A point here that Archer is keeping track of everyone's rupees. He says trying to get rich is NAI, but keeping track of everyone's rupees (the time investment to do it) is really elim indicative. It reads like they've made a list in the elim doc and he's just sharing it here. 
• Divergent votes Wonko to put him in the lead 3-2. 
• Wahr votes Archer and later rescinds. Still 3-2. 
• Hoid Slayer mentions suspicion of Archer but does not vote. (Keeping an eye on Hoid Slayer because they are playing uncharacteristically this game)
• Hoid Slayer does vote for Archer a while later to make it 3-3. 
• Burnt -> Araris connection? Burnt mentions previously that reading Araris is difficult, yet gives village read despite minimal posting from Araris. 
• Hmm, Araris unvotes Wonko and notes clearly that he thinks both are village. Puts Archer in the lead. Araris/Archer note e/e? Archer (3) - Wonko (2) [I think e!Araris just parks on Wonko here]
• Araris starts the train on Wahr. 
• Mistfallen changes from Wonko to Wahr. Archer (3) - Wahr (2) [v!reading Mistfallen for this]
• Coco votes Wahr to make it 3-3. Coco -> Archer connection?
• Hoid Slayer rescinds vote on Archer. 3-2 to Wahr. Hoid Slayer has been quite weird about Archer the whole cycle, not sure how to read it. 
• Coco has been offering many clarifications for what Archer said the whole cycle and has been subtly defensive of Archer. Coco -> Archer connection growing stronger. 
• I vote for Wahr to make it 4-2.
• Doc votes Archer to make it 4-3. This is weird for the reason that they mentioned that they are hesitant to exe Archer but votes on them anyway to 'make EoC more interesting' I guess? Note sure how to read this. 
• Divergent votes Wahr to make it 5-3. 
• Doc shifts to Wahr seeing as no change happened. 
• There's a late attempt to shift to Hoid's side-train by Archer and Doc but no dice. 

From this cycle, I think I am comfortable to read Araris and Mistfallen as village. There was a lot of movement when Archer was in the lead but not that much when Wahr was in the lead. I am not comfortable reading Archer as evil just yet but interesting to note that Coco and Hoid Slayer moved the votes essentially leading to protect Archer. Doc's EoC movements then, read as village. 

EoD1 reads -> 

Village - Araris, Mistfallen, Doc 
??? - Archer, Hoid Slayer, Burnt, Coco 

TBC...

[Archer he/him]

TJ is fair game, imo. If you're playing, you're a valid target. (Speak of the devil...) 

I can't get over Burnt trying to PM me. It felt villagery. Doc PMing their suspect list felt village as well. And I'm hard committed to v!Coco for saying pinch hitting is sus. 

I feel like Mistfallen has had a tonal shift this round, presumably because teammates are threatened? There's definitely been a change. I'm hesitant to throw away my previous village reads over it, since I think most of the time they're probably just village, but it's worth reevaluating once in a while. 

Edit: TJ fills out my theoretical elim teams quite nicely now, much obliged. Vote for me, you know you want to... 

Edited March 4 by Archer

[|TJ| he/him]

7 minutes ago, Archer said:

Edit: TJ fills out my theoretical elim teams quite nicely now, much obliged. Vote for me, you know you want to... 

Ehhh, gun to my head if I had to put your in either category, it would be village ( I think the whole EoC thing with Doc reads village) but it's ??? because of other interactions like movement from other players when you're in the lead. 

But, I am splitting up my posts for rupees (high time smh) so you will have to wait for me to finish reading other cycles