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Here are my direct translation of Navani's notes, as requested by @alder24 (of course, 90% of the way finished translating this, my computer crashed and deleted all the notes. Twice. Lol.)

FIRST TEXT:

the spren kan be konvinzed to stay in the physikal realm and enter the phabrial by choise

(the spren can be convinced to stay in the physical realm and enter the fabrial by choice)

SECOND TEXT:

A prophphered hot koal and the right tone kalms it and keeps it phrom dissipating

(A proffered hot coal and the right tone calms it, and keeps it from dissipating.)

THIRD TEXT:

they seem draun to many oph the same things ue are rekognishion identity belonging

(They seem drawn to many of the same things we are; recognition, identity, belonging.)

FOURTH TEXT:

Ue are early in development sometimes modern teknikues are still rekuired

(We are early in development. Sometimes, modern techniques are still required.)

FIFTH TEXT:

The spren take on unikue traits as ue see them as individuals

(The spren take on unique traits as we see them as individuals.)

SIXTH TEXT:

phlare oph phlamespren gust oph uindspren aphphliktion? oph painspren this seems like it kould get out oph kontrol kuikly

(Flare of flamespren.

Gust of windspren.

Affliction? of painspren.

This seems like it could get out of control quickly.)

SEVENTH TEXT:

Uill this kreate a strain oph more malleable phlamespren? Kan ue enkourage them to multiply?

(Will this create a strain of more malleable flamespren? Can we encourage them to multiply?)

 

Notes on translation:

For some reason, in the first text, one of the "the" words is spelt as "T" "H" "E", whereas usually it's "Th" "E". maybe just an oversight on the artists part.
Additionally, "Physical" (or more accurately, physikal) is spelt similarly, with a "P" "H" instead of "Ph" like it should be.

I think this is basically saying what we already knew from reading the chapter, but it also adds something interesting.

Flame of flamespren, gust of windspren, affliction of painspren. What does this mean? Does it mean that the more you individualise a lesser spren, the more it manifests in the physical realm, in terms of it's attribute? I.e. if you call Bippy a cutie patootie, will Bippy become a hotter flame? This DOES seem like it could get out of control quickly. (Edit: I'm silly, I forgot they were naming the groups of spren)

Shouldn't scholars (and Navani) understand that spren can't really multiply like humans do? Why would she say this if she knows they can't exactly multiply? Weird.

I guess this could lead to spren being more regarded as pets in the coming new ages, replacing axehounds as the favourite pets on Roshar.

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feruchemicalrockband

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Great work!

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 SIXTH TEXT:

phlame oph phlamespren gust oph uindspren aphphliktion? oph painspren this seems like it kould get iut oph kontrol kuikly

(Flame of flamespren.

Gust of windspren.

Affliction? of painspren.

This seems like it could get out of control quickly.)

I believe this section is just referring to the naming conventions of groups of spren. "A flame of flamespren" may actually be "a flare of flamespren".

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Njvodin

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13 minutes ago, feruchemicalrockband said:

Great work!

I believe this section is just referring to the naming conventions of groups of spren. "A flame of flamespren" may actually be "a flare of flamespren".

oh yes you are right, it is flare, good pick-up!

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Vandero

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They could either convince more spren of the same type to appear in the physical realm, or undergo mitosis or budding, then grow with stormlight. The latter would be a mechanic as of yet not observed, but spren reproduction could very well be a thing, complementing the occasional spren splintering.

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2 hours ago, Vandero said:

They could either convince more spren of the same type to appear in the physical realm, or undergo mitosis or budding, then grow with stormlight. The latter would be a mechanic as of yet not observed, but spren reproduction could very well be a thing, complementing the occasional spren splintering.

We already know how they reproduce. And it seems to be only possible when the cognitive realm

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king of nowhere

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9 hours ago, Njvodin said:

THIRD TEXT:

they seem draun to many oph the same things ue are rekognishion identity belonging

(They seem drawn to many of the same things we are; recognition, identity, belonging.)

wait!

does that mean that, for all its cultural tradition, vorinism never invented punctuation???

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BinarySecond

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That is correct, thus far, there are no punctuation marks.

 

 

Punctuation[edit]

Women's script has only one known character for punctuation. It is a single vertical line with two small, horizontal lines at the top and bottom. It is written at the beginning of a sentence and it defines the maximum character height. Questions are marked by adding “ha” at the end of the last word in the sentence. There is also a question mark present in Navani's sketch in Oathbringer on page 447, but judging by the handwriting this was added later by Nazh and is not part of the women's script. There is also a diacritic mark denoting if a letter in an otherwise symmetrical word is pronounced “h,” but it is currently unknown what this looks like,[4] only that it is present both above and below the letter. It is unknown what other punctuation exists, if any, as no other examples have been observed.

 

https://coppermind.net/wiki/Women's_script

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JustQuestin2004

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26 minutes ago, Stark said:

Out of control quickly indeed.

 

A migraine of concentrationspren...

I have a few ideas

-A Chill of Coldspren

-A Tavern of Alespren

-A Jail of Captivityspren

-A Melody of Musicspren

-A Tide of Wavespren

Stormfather above, this can really just go on and on can't it?

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Stark

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Given how ridiculous it is for actual earth animals...  Yes, yes it can.

 

A cringe of shamespren

A quiver of fearspren

A rage of angerspren

A famine of hungerspren

An unease of anxietyspren

A giggle of joyspren

A mass of gravityspren

 

Edit to avoid double post:

 

First, big thanks @Njvodin for the rapid translation.

Second, as a functional thought.  Spren enlightened by Sja-Anat.  Would they want different food?  Would they show different response to stimuli and attempts to domesticate?  Would they change the function of the fabrial?

 

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KaladinWorldsinger

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4 hours ago, Stark said:

Given how ridiculous it is for actual earth animals...  Yes, yes it can.

 

A cringe of shamespren

A quiver of fearspren

A rage of angerspren

A famine of hungerspren

An unease of anxietyspren

A giggle of joyspren

A mass of gravityspren

 

Edit to avoid double post:

 

First, big thanks @Njvodin for the rapid translation.

Second, as a functional thought.  Spren enlightened by Sja-Anat.  Would they want different food?  Would they show different response to stimuli and attempts to domesticate?  Would they change the function of the fabrial?

 

For corrupted spren:

A deep cringe of corrupted shamespren

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morcey2

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A Dalinar of gloryspren.... 
 

23 minutes ago, KaladinWorldsinger said:

A cringe of shamespren

21 minutes ago, KaladinWorldsinger said:

A deep cringe of corrupted shamespren

Maybe corrupted shamespren are just called cringespren.  Therefore ...

A dad-joke of cringespren. 

 

 

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