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I think you’re right about the Diagram being a misdirection, but I think it’s fooled Taravangian too. The diagram comes totally from Cultivation, and she’s going to use it to take down Odium, all while mr T thinks he’s doing everything for Odium.

I found this on Howard Lyon's Facebook Page Looks like the full picture is both the front and back end papers, and is titled "One Less Threat".

Wit is probably the most important worldhopper there is. He was there when Adonalsium shattered thousands of years ago, and possibly had something to do with it. The hints we've gotten in the books suggest that his goal is to somehow reassemble Adonalsium, but even that is dubious evidence, so we can't really say anything with certainty. Specific to Roshar, we know from the Letters that Hoid is working directly against Odium and is looking for aid. His goals in this happen to line up with Dalinar's in this way, but if it came to the destruction of Roshar in order to permanently get rid of Odium, then Hoid would let that happen (as he alluded to in the discussion you referenced). If you want to know more, here's 504 WoBs on the matter: https://wob.coppermind.net/basic_search/?query=Hoid (though most are probably RAFOs) Welcome to the Shard!

Hyped. Mine might not be here till Christmas as I'm in Canada. Crossing my fingers though! Looks good.

There's a Sleepless in the Kaza interlude. I'm sure there were more that were just not mentioned on screen.

They must be up to something. o.0

Prologue: Eshonai's thoughts referencing humans being the original Voidbringers.

For the most part he figures out the culture of the person, then bases the names off of baby names from a similar country, with a little bit of tweaking. For example, Kelsier, Demoux and Vin are supposed to sound French, and Hammond, Elend and Straff are supposed to sound German.

We've seen so far that the Prologues in the first five books are all happening during the same event--Gavilar's assassination. So far we've seen Szeth, Jasnah, and as of Oathbringer, Eshonai. Who do you think is next? Personally I hope it is Amaram, to perhaps give us some clarity on the Sons of Honor, or Elhokar, so we can see what he was talking to Nale and Kalak about.

Thank you! I wish I was more respondent on this thread--you may have helped me to do so. I really like these ideas! Especially Prudence. I'm worried that Wisdom is what Brandon has in mind, as I agree it is somewhat lackluster. Prudence and Enlightenment both (to me) sound really cool for one thing, and would have more depth than simply "Wisdom". I agree that whichever the Intent of the Shard is that gets this mandate, it'll be the Shard that is hiding and surviving, biding their time, and that Odium would want to get rid of them. I am certain that this thread has at least put forth the Intent Brandon has settled on, we just don't know which. On Inspiration, I don't know why I didn't think of that particular word. It sounds more fitting that Charisma as an Intent, and fulfills most of what it's about. Though the specific mandate I have in mind is more of a combination of the two and something I don't think we really have a good word for in English. I was never really sold on Chaos, but of these, Curiosity doesn't quite feel 100% right either. If there is a Shard of Ingenuity (which I am increasingly finding more likely), I feel like Curiosity would be summed up with it. I like the mandate you're getting at, but I don't like any of the names you put for it. Maybe Satisfaction? Fulfillment? This would make a nice contrast to a hypothetical Shard of Curiosity or Ingenuity. You create, and then are satisfied to finish once it's perfected. It would also, on it's own, be a good Non-Intervention archetype. There definitely needs to be more discussion on which attributes are present in every Shard to an extent, even as a by-product of holding so much Investiture. Which is a good segue to comment on another post: I think a lot of this is more of a by-product on holding Investiture, and little to do with overarching Intents. Shards are eternal and immortal because of the Investiture that expands their soul and makes them unable to age. Ineffable because they are simply too vast in power for an unexpanded mind to comprehend, not because of an attribute like intentional mystery or ambiguity. I actually disagree with these two being something every Shard has to some degree: Immutability: I think it's actually very possible for the Shards to change. I think we've seen evidence of this with how Bavadin interprets her Intent; with how with new Vessels, Intents can be interpreted in different ways, almost like a filter (which we see with Odium calling himself Passion, and perhaps with Dalinar interpreting Honor as Unity); and with Harmony beginning to change over time into something more like Discord. Granted the Intents never change on their own, and Investiture is indestructible. I also think the Intent of Preservation would "sum up" Immutability as an intent. Immutability was one of the "Godlike necessities" that I came across in my own research, but dismissed as it is part of Preservation. Omnipresence: Harmony is a good example of this. He needs to be actively looking into something to see it, he doesn't see all. He relies on servants (kandra) to do most of his work. Ruin also showed that he could only speak to people and not hear their thoughts--opposite to Preservation. Many Shards may have a varying degree of future sight, as a by-product of being able to clearly see into the Spiritual Realm. To be clear, I agree that there may be something to do with Shards having commonalities as far as Intents go, but I would be hesitant to explain what is a by-product of Investiture as something that is an intentional godlike trait from Adonalsium. Welcome to the thread! Sorry about quoting your post out of order. Seconding @SilverTiger that Purity's Eye was already referenced in the Threnody Star Chart, which is why I included it in the OP. I think it is fitting for a godlike Intent, though I see why it's contested. On Wisdom, I expressed above that I hope it's something more overarching, but I agree that that's what we're being hinted towards. Both with the WoB that said "Surviving was a...wise thing for it to do", and Hoid's reference in Oathbringer. Your research was more extensive than mine. I appreciate the thought you've put into it; thank you for joining the thread. I like your categorizing (very similar to my own). If you don't mind me switching yours around a bit (adding in some hypothetical Shards and trying my best to follow your ): Combining the ideas of Shards having overarching similarities, and your idea of grouping into Physical, Cognitive, and Spiritual Ideals, I actually think that Each Shard has a bit of each Ideal in mind within its Intent. I can see this the most blatantly with the Shard of Cultivation. In many ways we see this related to cultivated crops, or symbiosis on Roshar on the physical side of things. But to purely label it a Physical aspect is very far from what we see of Cultivation. In addition to the physical examples I've already mentioned, she also cultivates people by messing with their Spirit Web, as seen with the Nightwatcher. She is very heavily on many levels beyond the physical, which makes it clearer that we shouldn't group Shards into categories like that. It's also hard to justify that thought and separate them into quadrants. I am interested in your thoughts on that. I think I am done for now, but now that the thread is more active, and in light of Oathbringer stuff, I may do an updated list of my 16 candidates.

Maybe both of our responses to siblings and friends inquiring about plot elements like that should just be a RAFO and a sly smile. ....I also shamelessly taunt my family with "what if I told you [insert something ridiculous here] happens in Oathbringer" as I usually read the books before them. Or going, "Ohhh MY, I just learned something so COOL about Redacted that you would be interested in *sly smile*" I hope they don't hate me xD

Mistborn SH spoilers:

The thing Dalinar saw in the storm is probably a glimpse of the cognitive version of a normal spren, perhaps the type that can (when corrupted) animate stone to become a thunderclast. If you haven't yet, the Part Three Epigraphs podcast that our lovely moderators did last week has a lot of discussion on the sibling.

Yeah, saying that that was his original end point is quite a stretch. I was definitely more of a "what if..." for him, or an entertaining thought.

I think Cuisecesh is more likely an Unmade, it's a lot smaller than a Bondsmith Spren and has nothing to do with Urithiru, and people feel drained after leaving its presence.

This would be adorable, actually. They're both somewhat awkward in their own right, and it would be interesting to see what an Ardent would think of Renarin's corrupted spren bond. I do think there would be some foreshadowing already if this were to happen, some mention of them working together maybe. I may have missed it if there is, though.

Gravitation and Transportation to make a resonance of time travel

With Lifeless, I'm pretty sure that the person's soul has passed to the Beyond, and the Investiture in it is the only thing that is able to Interpret Commands. There may be some way that we see something more than that, as we see Clod has remnants of Arsteel's swordsmanship. I think that this is because there is a link between the body and the spirit web of the person who had passed, which after time the Breath inside the Lifeless can pick up on. With Shardblades, they are what's left of a spren's soul once it is killed by a Radiant who betrayed their oaths. I'm not actually sure if spren can pass to the Beyond, which may be why they are simply locked into the form of the Shardblade (which is simply how they manifest physically). I do see the similarities, so you may be onto something. I don't think it's the same function, but there could be something I'm missing. It deserves further thought. The gemstones on Shardblades were not part of the original Blades formed by the spren. They were added after the Recreance at some point in order for Shardbearers to dismiss them. There may be some sort of spren in the gemstones, but not the Blade's spren. The Stormfather does not want to manifest as a sword because doing so would lock his form into a physical object, which would allow Dalinar to kill him by betraying his oaths. Gemstones have nothing to do with that. All of the Shardblades did originate with the Radiants, and yes, there is a suspicious lack of Blades. I personally think the Skybreakers are hiding some, the spren in spren cities may be hiding some, and Aimians are hiding some. Then there are those who carry secret Shardblades that are little-known to most. There's definitely something weird about it, that I don't think is a mistake on Brandon's part, merely a hint at something important. The Heralds abandoned the Oathpact possibly generations before the Recreance, at the tail end of the last Desolation 4500 years ago. The Recreance is an unknown number of years (to me at least, I may have just forgotten), but is still in modern history. It has been theorized that the in world reasons thus given for the Recreance aren't all that went on. Some think (and I am growing to like this theory) that the Radiants originally shrugged it off like our current cast, but after perhaps a generation of ruling with the surges, something happened that made them know with certainty that they were dangerous. Perhaps they originally Shattered the Plains, and that acted as a wake-up call, leading to the actual event of the Recreance. Relevant WoB: Source. So, Odium hasn't influenced Roshar through written word. Though your idea about the Unmade doing similar things is certainly possible, though so far it seems they aren't that intelligent. These questions are related, but I'll talk about the Thrill first. The Unmade that causes the Thrill (Nergaoul) does so in a large radius around it. Dalinar (or perhaps the Mythica) theorizes that the Thrill is responsible for the Alethi battle prowess and thus their reputation. During Dalinar's youth, Nergaoul was present in Alethkar and the border of Jah Keved because it was drawn by that conflict and delights in driving men to destroy each other. It was present at the Shattered Plains for a while, until it wasn't. The reason it had withdrawn was because of the civil war in Jah Keved, which was probably more devastating than the skirmishes on the Plains. Then in Oathbringer, Odium brings Nergaoul to Thaylen city to help turn Dalinar. With other nations, it's possible there is something driving them (the Passions are certainly a remnant of ancient Odium worship), but I'd have to look into what each Unmade does to say for sure. I personally doubt it, with the Azir. I doubt the Thrill is related to the Shardplate enhancements in any significant way. Merely in coincidence in that they both push you to act and are both present in battles. They come from different places. As Shardplate Gems are already Invested in something and act like Fabrials, introducing another spren doesn't seem possible. If it is, it probably wouldn't help the plate in any way. It might be detrimental, or it might do nothing. I am no expert on Fabrial science though. I think it's most likely a reflection of Honor and Cultivation together. the Sibling was referenced in the Part Three Epigraphs as having inhabited Urithiru, and once it withdrew, the city wasn't as functional, leading to the Knights Radiant abandoning the tower.

If you want to find White Sand, subscribe to Brandon Sanderson's newsletter, at brandonsanderson.com and team Sanderson should include it with your next newsletter. If they don't you can always shoot them an email and Adam will get it sorted out. Yes, it seems that Shard's will have different systems depending on the foci of the planet, among other things. I personally think Bavadin has sent out multiple Splinters to "conquer" other planets, for lack of a better word. Patji is probably one of many (like Trell ). Yeahhhh not with Bavadin, Brandon has said that she has been many things if it suits her. The aspect she talks about in the letter is probably another offshoot, or aspect, of her identity. Edit so I don't double post: @raykoda, Obrodai was confirmed to be a new Shardworld in one of the Oathbringer signings (I can't remember which). But beyond that, the way the writer differentiates between the watery world they're writing from, it is clear Obrodai is somewhere else. We also know that Hoid has never been to First of the Sun, and the letter states he has been to Obrodai.

Crackpot theory: What if it's a Dawnshard? They are supposed to be able to bind anything, Voidish or Mortal. What do chains do? Bind. Mind you, I think it's more likely that the Dawnshards are locked in Aimia, as they can also destroy worlds, and I don't think a spren would be just casually selling one.

Any thing Brandon answers in questions isn't considered totally canon, so it's possible that he's changed his mind in the last few years.

Yes, that is the same Shard. The magic that results is more of a natural result of the combination of the Planet and the Shard, which is why it'll be different like that. I also think the asterisk in your WoB is that Patji is perhaps a large Splinter of that Shard, or that they have since left the planet behind (in the hundreds of years between Stormlight and SotD).

OB Epigraph spoilers follow.

So, I'm remembering a WoB from a year or two ago that says Hoid may have created a painting for the Court of Gods. If I remember it was kinda like "That's something he would do, but wasn't something Brandon had specifically done". It's possible he changed his mind. It would be interesting if that was a painting by Hoid... I also remember there being a mention of one painting in particular that was more important that we thought, so it's also possible that this one is related.

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