Araris Valerian

I wish I’d made the leap from “this seems overpowered” to “this is probably a lie.” I have a bad habit of trusting villagers too much .

Maybe if I'd been in PMs with Raven and Aeoryi it could have happened. And I'll echo Mat about @Aeoryi, great first game! Hope you stick around for awhile.

It was TKN. Really didn't want the vote manip floating around. I was betting on being able to exe DeTess.

Hey, I'm not that person anymore. I've resolved to only bus my teammates when I have their permission . But check out LGs 71 and 72 if you want the full story there. But yeah, I'm generally a pretty ruthless murder-bear.

I had a lot of fun this game, especially the last cycle. Was pretty sure I was doomed but felt it was worth a go. Thanks Experience and Devo for running things!

Not to my knowledge, but there have been a lot of games I haven't played. You have thoughts for a story/mechanics for such a game?

This is false. DeTess could be an elim with any role that just didn't send in a kill C1. I've been arguing for this since the elims never tried to remove her "charges" with Wiz's Soothing and never tried to attack her again.

Guess that's all for now, folks. Please exe DeTess next cycle.

Well, like I said, I'll switch from DeTess to Raven to save myself. But I feel somewhat strongly about the former being elim.

I'd vote Raven over my own death, but I (obviously) prefer DeTess.

I think it’s: Araris (2): DeTess, Raven DeTess (1): Araris No Vote (3): Aeoryi, Fifth, TKN

Perhaps. It’s just never sat well with me when people are trying to manipulate the exe through PMs (except elims, they are supposed to do that). The exe is supposed to be the part of the game that everyone gets to participate in. It can leave a bad feeling in some folks’ mouths when they learn everything is being run behind the scenes without their knowledge/consent. And I think those feelings are justified for villagers.

Codex Alera > Confusion. I’m in all the way. Thanks for the reminder that I should cook up a rule set for an Alera game. I’m a bit concerned she didn’t believe she was a shard before hitting the wall

Hmm. Well, maybe it is a hidden win con. Not sure why that discussion needed to happen in PMs rather than in the thread though. That sort of thing can lead to folks feeling excluded, and I’m not sure I see the merits of keeping it a secret.

My understanding is that the colors on the list don't matter anymore. Why is there a plot to get certain people to be certain colors?

You mean as yourself? That's definitely allowed. Araris is one of my most-used (and most-killed ) characters.

A part of me says the proper response to this is to lodge a complaint against your for not signing up I’m in as Whamsy. One day he ran into a wall really hard, “WHAM!” And now he thinks he’s a shard.

I didn’t see myself as a serious alternative to the exe last cycle. Maybe I’m wrong, but something tells me Archer and/or TKN would have switched onto Wiz if more votes had ended up on me. Good point about Fifth/JNV though, I’d forgotten about the action economy. It’s hard for me to say how the GM/IM would have responded if half the elim team was inactive. Edit: Do we actually know there is a 1 action per cycle limit? Seems that literally nobody but the elims would be impacted.

This is silly. It doesn't help the village at all to be talking in PMs rather than in the thread. There is a single elim left and their action has to be spent on the kill, so they can't interfere with plots. And all the role info seems to be pretty public at this point. This doesn't address why I'm the person being compared to Wizard versus Fifth/Raven (and I'd add DeTess as well though you disagree)

Archer believed my Tineye claim. An elim being a Tineye has never, in my many many games of SE, been reason for the village to not exe them (at least to me knowledge). So there's no reason to believe I would use the claim for that now. And so far as I can tell, there's no role stuff left worth hiding to make PMs valuable anyways. I didn't realize there was role stuff worth hiding at all until you said claimed following Mat's death.

And you trust a C1 roleclaim? The only way TKN is elim is if he's deliberately throwing the game and our GM decided to give the elims 2 Soothers. Again, we have to take your word for this, you've given no proof. However, based on you claiming not to have an extra life I'd probably exe Raven over you. Are you familiar with a WGG? It's where the elims attack a teammate in order to give said teammate trust. Usually the giveaway is when that person never gets attacked again. Based on DeTess's original claim (which apparently was a lie; glad some people are being careful), the elims could have removed her protection by having Wiz Soothe her. But that never happened, which I believe suggests that she just is elim.

You’re right, I was mistrustful of him. But it turns out, his info on how Soothers work is how we caught Wiz. Hence, he’s my strongest village read.

I mean, I personally consider murder the highest form of respect around here, so don't let that get in your way . This list makes me quite suspicious of DeTess, actually. It seems implausible to me that the village would have both a Thug and a Lurcher in this small of a game. The only mechanical confirmation of her role is the lack of the C1 kill, which is looking more and more like a variation on a WGG to me. Actually, not sure if I buy Fifth's claim either. Having 3 Tineyes in an 11-player game is functionally the same as having 0 Tineyes and PMs just always open. Since open PMs generally benefit the village, in the world where I'm elim my role is actively detrimental to my team (especially given my lack of PM manipulation in my prior elim games). Aeoryi's Thug claim is also unconfirmed, and seems odd, because it makes her the only player in the game with 2 roles, while there are (apparently) 2 vanilla players. Given the lack of village kill roles, Thug seems like it would autoconfirm someone as village, which is a balance issue for someone with a bonus life. Vanilla can only be confirmed by terminal Seeking, so there is no reason to trust that Raven is actually vanilla. TKN is my only solid village read right now. He's definitely a Soother, and I can't see the elims having 2 of those. If I get exed today, I'd ask you guys to exe DeTess first and then Aeoryi if DeTess flips green. There's no way both of them are village. Edit: I have to add the significant caveat that trying to guess the mind of the GM is generally a bad idea. But IDK where else to go with this

Isn't it obvious? I'm the last elim, all of Wiz's voting was just an attempt to distance from me. Since we had a 2-person team, clearly our optimal strategy was to build our entire strategy around one of us dying and the other solo-killing the rest of the village.

Why, exactly, are you suspicious of me?