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@Araris Valerian, get hereee. Thoughts on the proceedings so far in the cycle?

You mean, if there is a possibility that someone is anonymous in the pseudo-elim doc? No I don't think there is.

Wait a damn minute >> Guys, Coco's was the first name given to me (because the results are given in player list order) so I didn't both going down the list because there was only 1 conversion in the first cycle, but I just went through the result again to make sure and there is another conversion. Hoid Slayer has also been turned to a Coinshot (from a Shard). This means we have 2 pseudo-GMs. I guess the village has a pseudo-GM who was inactive in the first cycle. Bah. With how close Hoid Slayer is tied to Myst, and the difficult predicament it puts us in (need to kill a pseudo-elim to prevent a meta-pseudo-elim Coinshot from killing the rest of the pseudo-elim team), I am more inclined to believe Hoid Slayer's conversion is the elim-motivated one.

yeah my current working theory is that you and hoid are teamed and hoid is the mole. Yes, I get told what they could become as well, and it was NOT Coinshot.

It was during the cycle that I was out of town and was extremely busy, could only barely catch up with the thread. I did try to stop the exe by asking guys to get off the Coder train but I was not going to reveal myself as pseudo-IM because I strongly suspect(ed) the pseudo-GM to be meta-elim and I needed to be alive to see all the changes done by the pseudo-GM. Also, I wanted to see if you did. In my head, if you revealed yourself as CS to prevent the Coder exe, you would be village and if you did not, you would more likely to be evil. But sigh, the info is out there. This past cycle, pseudo-GM changed Coco's role from Vanilla to Coinshot. I reaaaaallyyy wanted to wait to see if Coco would shoot a pseudo-elim before revealing it to the thread. I was deliberately trying to give off the impression that there was no Pseudo-IM in the game so that elims can get 'freely' commit their conversions if they had a pseudo-GM, and I do think that is what has happened. The first conversion was a test, to check if there was a pseudo-IM in the game, and as soon as they got confident that there wasn't they converted one of their teammates to Coinshot. Sadly for Coco, I do think this is an elim indication, because it lines up with the above hypothesis perfectly. I don't really think it's a frame, it doesn't smell like one. But to be fair to her and not to solely go off on the conversion, she can be one of the last elims we vote out (like after Myst and Verdance presumably). ed1t: elim team composition so far - pseudo-gm, thread controller, retiree?

One could hope It was not directed at you don't worry, and we didn't waste an exe, we just wasted time. No exe is still better than mis-exeing someone which was I confident Xino's would be.

Bruh, I cannot believe someone who lied about their role, denied the truth about it, got someone exed on the assumption that they weren't the role they claimed AND tried to get info about the counter-claimer to try and exe them AND killed a pseudo-elim when the consensus was that the meta-elims bet on meta-village victory was not a unanimous train. I'm so annoyed.

Guys, we are NOT doing a Xino exe for the same reason that Coder should never have been an exe. A meta elim Coinshot never holsters his shot.

For me, you killing Xino is a secondary issue. It was the fact that you let an assumption that Coder was Xino's killer fester in the thread which led to Coder getting exed. Sure, you can say you argued against his exe all you like, but at the end of the day, you ended up voting him out when all you had to do was claim you killed Xino. You lied by omission to get Coder exed in the meta-game, which is the most suspicious thing. Also, there is inconsistency in Myst's statements. They started the game theorising that the meta-elims have bet on pseudo-village victory. You can find the posts here - And Myst says nothing in his posts after this to suggest that he has changed his assumption. Now for the sake of his defence, conveniently he's changed the script that he wanted to kill pseudo-elims because he thought thought meta-elims bet on pseudo-elim victory. We know this is inconsistent with his previous thoughts from the posts above.

@Hoid Slayer Eh, I really wanted to wait till we got the pseudo and subsequently meta-flip of Myst before outing the pseudo-elim team (in a tiny chance that we were pure) but Myst being our NK target does not change the fact of the matter either way. I can see the mole reveal to the meta-elim team that we would kill Myst and then Myst wanting to get at least one shot off before dying and choosing to specifically kill a pseudo-elim with that one shot. And bro, the whole pocketed talk is a bit counter-productive. It is only the second cycle. If you feel pocketed, revaluate! Also how is the Lurcher role useful here? I can argue that it is one of the least useful because we WANT the pseudo-NKs to go through and kill villagers. Especially now that all the Coinshots have seemingly died.

Why not?

Oh, and I will add onto the point that it if Myst is Coinshot, it would be a clear evidence of a mole in the pseudo-elim doc who fed Myst the info to kill Xino. It could not have been a lucky shot.

How does OoA come into this? We would exe you in this pseudo-cycle. The PseudoGM would change your role in the meta-cycle (to a role you will not flip in, if we exe you in the meta-cycle) Could you explain why you don't like the train? I have explained in very clear terms why Myst is the best possible exe today. What are your rebuttals against it?

Nope, there's no point before your flip. What? You flipping Coinshot would not be losing an important role at all because it would mean you lied about your role and you lied about not killing Xino which means that you are close to conf. meta evil. To add to my point, meta-elim pseudo-village Coinshot shooting someone is also most definitely a better use for their action than anything you could have proposed :P. Guys, this is my biggest point. We can exe Verdance any time we want, but we have to exe Myst NOW because one of Myst/claimer is lying and is evil, and the only way to figure out who is lying is this cycle before PseudoGM muddies the water by changing roles. We exe Myst - if Myst flips Coinshot, he is meta-evil; if he's Lurcher then claimer is evil and Myst is conf. meta-village. He would be un-exeable in the meta-game. So pretending to not see or understand this is very suspicious. Verdance will always be there, because their suspicion is not attached to their role, Myst's is.

Nope, I'm sorry but clearly either you or the claimant is evil. We have to exe you this pseudo-cycle before giving the potential E!PseudoGM a chance to change your role and hence frame the claimer, to check the veracity of their claim accurately. We can exe Ver in the next pseudo-cycle if we need to, if we think they are as outed as we think they are. Again, this doesn't make sense? Why would you waste your Lurch in that case? You'd be one of the last options for a kill this cycle.