Mat

Hi I’m going to claim now >> I am a member of the Followers of Edgli. I have one teammate. We win if, when the game is ended by another faction, at least one Returned is still alive. We have a protect ability every Night. As you can see, killing me does nothing to help anyone. It doesn’t hurt you (unless you’re Returned. If you’re Returned, contact me and I will keep you alive) but that’s an extremely low bar when there’s a lot of other options here. It feels bad being victim of he’s-not-from-my-faction, but I thought I should let you know that this also does literally nothing to advance any wincon. I’m basically a survival role, but I have to find the person that I want to survive. I have no kill, can’t end the game, and have no reason to ever want anyone dead. So pick someone else I can almost guarantee that anyone else would be better for you.

Araris’ point is better but tbh I think JNV had the best reasoning of the three people that independently converged on the same random post I made They kinda missed the point of the point I made but their point makes more sense to me. But I’m me so take that with a grain of salt lol

Welcome to Mat Defending Self tone Ask Kas to confirm that if you really want to. I do my best to not let it come through but I obviously failed, and the slightly unhelpfulness of it is why I generally don’t defend point by point. But I found Sart’s post to be blatantly flawed enough to point it out.

It wasn’t supposed to be anything more though. It was a suggestion on how we might catch the infiltrators, and that’s it. I really don’t get the hyper fixation on that post all of a sudden when I don’t think it should stand out alongside the other ones like it lol I’ll claim if I need to but it’s D1 and I’d really really rather not >>

I’m good with that. My doc is mostly me so is have little info besides the thread and I haven’t really seen anything with killing for. (Stick) Dunno if I’d pick Araris. Though idk who is pick at all :P. …So starting discussion is a crime now? There’s nothing abnormal about bringing up distro talk, check any game over the last long time. In fact, it’s to our benefit to talk about the distro— the infiltrators will no doubt have a better idea of it, so it’s to our advantage to nullify that advantage of theirs as much as possible. Really not sure what you’re getting at here. Slow way down. I said two statements that aren’t contradictory, and you turned it into three that are maybe contradictory. I never stated my opinion on the question you posed, so you’re putting words in my mouth. Obviously, there’s a balance between the two. The common threat is important, but I’m not about to lose the game for myself just to kill all the Infiltrators— if keeping them alive is for my advantage, I will, and if killing them is for my advantage, I will. Not saying that either of those are the case, they’re just examples, but you have to remember this is a faction game. You can’t see it as a simple kill-all-the-infiltrators-the-end because that’s not what it is. The same goes for everyone here, including you, I would think— no one would throw the game for their faction for the sake of the infiltrators. In my book it’s faction first, infiltrators second. Often those goals align but they don’t necessarily have to. Again, I’m not sure what you’re getting at here, or why this is inherently suspicious. You never made that clear, you just made an assumption of what I believe and then said it would ‘divide us further’ when there’s no evidence of that being the case.

He’s obviously in that faction and has teammates

I mean, that worked perfectly, did it not? :P.

Just doing my poke vote duty Just think of it in this way— you can guarantee that my vote will end somewhere different since I almost never keep my pokes. But yes, you have, and I’m aware of that.

I think I’d be able to do it, but obviously I’m not exactly the top of the list here. But it’s been a while since I ran a game and I’d like to do that if no one else does. The game would need to end before July 27, but I think the player list probably would be small enough to make that the case.

Do note that there are 17 players If there were 18 I’d say it probably is 4/4/4 and 2/2/2 but there isn’t, and I doubt there’s a faction with only one unless one of the secret ones was originally only gonna have one. I think 4/4/3 and 2/2/2 isn’t unreasonable, but 3/3/3 and 3/3/2 also makes sense. Which secret faction would have two in that case, I don’t know. Either way, we all have a common goal, and that’s the infiltrators— I think they can be caught by watching how loyal everyone is to their faction goal. So people should watch faction members in that regard. I don’t think the Infiltrators will be obvious about it, of course, but we should keep in mind that they have an ulterior goal. Voting Stick has never gone wrong for me, nope! Never.

It’ll be interesting to see how the exe plays out since we’re probably divided pretty well. Anyone have a guess on the numbers?

The last time I tried to make a PM alliance I immediately got stabbed in the back, and even though that was a FFA, don’t expect me to give away anything :P. Won’t stop me from accepting any tidbits from others, though

Here we go! Trying to digest the complex rules but I’m not sure how much I’ll need to, I guess. A simplified awakening chart might be nice, maybe I’ll make that. Now to fight the urge to make gut reads this cycle And for the game, to an extent. @Steeldancer, can you confirm if all five scholars are in the game?

I beat it on Friday! Still a whole lotta side quests and all that good stuff left so I’m not done with the game. But Ganon was destroyed, on my first attempt. Mostly because I ate like my entire stock of full restores :P. Best of luck to you!

My character will be Samuel— just a generic name, definitely not a Returned.

I’m fairly certain Jordan wrote a large portion of the ending, actually Egwene being the most competent character in the series during tGS is why that was my favorite book— her manipulation of the White Tower and just that whole sequence of chapters was amazing. That point may be true for some but don’t throw shade on Egwene I’m easy to please as a reader, and can overlook plot holes and shallow characters pretty easy, but I think the reason I was so satisfied and happy with the series once I was done was because of how much time I’d spent with the characters through the thousands and thousands of pages— they felt more like real people to me than any other cast of characters I’ve read, and I liked that a lot.

In, character will come later. I for one am willing to wait for 15 players, as long as that takes.

Oh Never mind then xD Wonder how I missed that, I looked through all the docs…

Yeeeeahhhhhhhhh I still have no idea how to read Archer. Sorry Stick, even if I did warn you about that kill :P. And well played TUN, you did an excellent job staying in your village meta. @Luckspren I hope you stick around, you played a great first game. I second what Archer said— the code was awesome. On-command VC is something we could use more of. Well done running this, xino! Hope I have a good village game soon xD I had a streak awhile back of games where my reads were good but nowadays I think I’d do better voting my top village read >>

The heck xD

I didn’t do that because then everyone but Archer would be in my elim reads :P. I give up trying to win LV, good job :P. I’ll get it next turn if I’m still alive :P. Which I should be, still haven’t seen a case on me.

I was about ready to vote Clanky until he posted something villagery and Archer pointed that out :P. I think I agree with him, but that’s more that no one ended up engaging it so you come off as desperate to survive. That can go either way but I get what Archer is saying. I mean I put Devo’s name in a shade of green but ok xD She’s green in my reads mostly because I feel like I need to have more village reads and out of my nulls i elim read her the least, if that makes sense. So I took my nulls and ordered them and Devo was the least elim for me. It’s less that I village read her and more that I don’t really see a reason to elim her either, though I like what Clanky was saying. ‘Further up’ isn’t a change in my reads, just a change on how the list is organized :P. I know, it just seems like a lot of ifs for such a small game. Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if you abandoned the assassination plan and just went for the vote manip (it also wouldn’t surprise me if this was your plan all along) but idk, killing someone in a 7 player C2 just seems hasty to me. Stop trying to win Loudest Voice xD You’ll probably beat me since in a bit here I’ll have to go and probably miss rollover, but oh well. I’m still up for the exe, right? Did anyone ever say why?

[1] Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree then xD I don’t see that at all. But sure I guess :P. [2] Do you… misunderstand what I mean by moving Devo up? You, Clanky, TUN, and Luckspren are all I think people I would rather exe. That’s a Devo take for sure. Kinda want to give points for an unconventional read right there. That might be the easiest, but it’s also the easiest way for an elim to hide. Idk your meta, so that very well could just be normal for you I suppose. I think I lean village on this post, thanks. Does this mean you’re considering changing your vote? :). Also: @_Stick_, have you ran the numbers on your kill? Seven people now, 5-2. Elim kill and misexe and you misfiring gives 2-2. To me that seems like more of a risk than I would take but I guess if you’re confident :P. But I do know that an elim wouldn’t care about those numbers, sooooo :P. Edit: Yeah, thanks. The timer works, I just can’t count and got confused a few hours ago when I tried to convert it— yesterday I was still on PST which is why I thought the cycle ended an hour earlier than it did, and then today I can’t do math so that’s cool.

A low-info kill on someone slated to be killed by the blackmail filter? No, the JNV killer was definitely on after they posted, and was probably due to them winning Loudest Voice. Or we're reading too much into it and they just did what I normally do- look at the player list for about two seconds and go eh, that feels right. I think the lack of manip is NAI since villagers have a sense of self pres as well- if I'm in danger of the exe, I'm likely gonna manip away from me because I know what result my exe would have, and that's true no matter my alignment. So I think that v!Devo is as likely to manip as e!Devo (see: MR58). Yeah, I know- that wasn't my point. You said it was distancing, but you said it was distancing because Tani was forcing a suspicion on Archer. When I read Tani's post, I don't see Tani sussing Archer at all, I see her replying to him normally. So that's weird, and seems like a fake read on your part. Yeah, I know- and as someone who's been village and has been voted on for coming up with reads too quick, I understand :P. But I think the difference is, in my case, it was normally just "reading x as village/elim' with no actual reasoning, just gut, and you have reasons that I don't think hold up super well. But maybe I shouldn't be suspecting you for having reads and reasons for those reads, yeah :P. Though, @Archer, I do see what you mean about Stick/Luckspren being e/e. Clanky is decidedly null for me right now, which maybe should have me worried. I remember the majority of their posts having to do with mechanics rather than suspicions and thoughts but that very easily could be me misremembering and I'd have to go check- if that's the case, I think he'd slide down to more e. Reads: Archer Devo TUN Clanky Luckspren Stick I have too many nulls but Devo could be moved up and Clanky/Luckspren can be moved down. My bottom tier being Stick and Stick's elim reads is awkward though. This is weird to reply to in the same post where I had to argue against you that it isn't clearing for Devo not to have manipped xD I guess that was mostly Archer who was pushing that. But it is interesting to me that you initially agreed with him and are walking that back. Maybe that's just honest progression. @Clanky, have you posted a reads list? If not, can you? Edit: @xinoehp512 does the cycle end in 1 hr 8 min, or 2 hr 8 min? I still can't tell xD

Found my way to a computer. Time for an actual post! I did ask xino if he had any PHers lined up to swap me out, just because I feel pressed for time to play the game, but in reality I'd probably be fine and maybe that was unnecessary, but hey :P. I interpreted the sparing as to Luckspren just being new. Why do you say they work as an elim? For Stick, after rereading C1, her Tani elim read seems extremely forced to me. Like she predetermined that she wanted to push Tani this turn, and then came up with a post accordingly. Like, there's a longpost where she accuses Archer/Tani of being e/e because she says a post from Tani reads like an 'artificially constructed suspicion on Archer', when the post in question barely responds to Archer at all and definitely isn't doing so in an accusatory way. I could maybe see it if Stick had played the e/e card by saying that Tani was responding to a teammate for distancing, but she didn't say that at all and it just reads like a predetermined read. Immediately following that, Stick makes another point on Tani, one that maybe is more valid but still not very. Again it reads like Stick had to look for reasons to suspect Tani, and upon not finding anything good had to make something up. Also I know I effort clear too easy but how can Stick possibly have gut read JNV as elim xD Another point for Stick, the one I mentioned yesterday, is that to me a lot of her reads feel overly quick and made just for the sake of having them. Things like reading TUN as village for asking NAI questions to the GM, or reading me village for not prioritizing three boxings over voting where I actually felt best voting, don't feel right. vote=Stick Archer, you're probably right that I should have started with that, but I wanted to write the case first. Devo probably just trusted the self pres would work- I don't think that I would have bought anything in that position, elim or not. Then again I didn't have the money for it anyway :D. Devo did though, with an Active on the Floor score of 8. (Also, sidenote, I figured out that the bot counts when you quote and respond to yourself, since I did that at the end of last turn and it gave me a boxing for it. Just a PSA ) But I also think that in general no one would have wanted to buy anything C1 when we all started with 0 and there's a death filter of 3 every turn. I know I wanted to save up a bit more :P. I could counter this by saying I give it elim points for voting for money rather than for an elim, but that might be my personal philosophy rather than a legit reason. I do think TUN should have switched to someone they actually wanted dead, though. I don't really read it as casual disregard for their own life since they could see that there were a couple of actual trains and that no one was voting on them. Definitely not a 'ridiculous risk', at least. I mean, I have a slight problem with that It's not exactly spirit of the rules. And if I have a response that isn't 50, like this one, I'll just leave it at that cause I don't care that much. But I guess you did prioritize a single boxing over voting someone you suspect, so idk. You passed the test! Unless Stick's elim, then you didn't pass the test. I guess anyone could have seen Stick's post and then warned you accordingly but this reads village to me anyway along with the rest of your post so eh. Maybe I shouldn't give you too much credit but I always like to see a new player find their footing, keep it up What's the case on me again? I gut read this push as elim but I'm aware that's likely bias from being the party who's name is in read, and upon rereading C1 Devo is as unreadable to me as ever Or correction, I can read Devo off of votes, and so far she's 0/2 but the game hasn't been going for very long and I worry it'll be too short for me to get an actual read of her. I would say that the activity you saw in C1 is about average for everyone. Stick just showed up late, Archer is always a leader of discussion (pun intended :P) and TUN normally posts as much as he did. The one thing different I would say is that I normally am more active than I was, but I'm on vacation so this is what you get In general (unless you're Archer thinking that elims purposely give public bad info) elims wouldn't blatantly hope someone flips village since, yes, it's not a good look. In this case it was a selfishly worded post by me, which is why I reworded it right before rollover: See, much better I was being self-motivated in that rather than game motivated, but you can trust when I say that, of course I'd rather Tani have been elim. I'd have had to fight for my life today, but apparently that's still true xD At least I've learned to fight for my life not by responding only to votes on me though.