Honorless

After the Elhokar assassination (counting both the attempt & in the Kholinar mission, no contact with the group in-between) I don't think so, as he'd have betrayed them. Before the assassination attempt with Graves' group, he did tell Kaladin what he was attempting. Kaladin changed his mind at the last moment and opposed them.

Look at the two situations. Dalinar had time to heal, come to terms with and build his own identity free of his past deeds. He saw the new, changed him and recognized himself as truly being this good guy. Dalinar had people behind him, who loved and supported him. He had a reason to try to change because he had people he loved and whom he had to support. He had responsibilities that he could not afford to fail. He had things to look forwards to. Moash had none of that. It was slavery > guard duty > conspiracy > Fused camp > Odium. He has no one and nothing to turn to, no reason to change, no faith in himself or his capacity to change, he has had very little time to even process things by himself. As far as he's concerned, he's betrayed the one person who cared, he has no family or friends and his life is worthless.

Are they Invested enough to turn into Cognitive Shadows though? It could also be that those mind-hunting creatures manifest on the Cognitive Realm a bit, kinda like how spren on Roshar can manifest a bit of themselves in the Physical Realm based on emotions felt by people nearby. It could also be that the Cognitive side is inhabited by creatures too. Khriss might also have meant that people did manage to cross over from the Perpendicularity, they just didn't manage to survive Patji and return. "area around the Perpendicularity" isn't very clear on which side she's talking about exactly.

That's a different entity, whose functions we're not clear on, so I don't know. Their effects were pretty different too. It's those circumstances that make all the difference in my mind. Those are pretty extenuating circumstances. His decision making was badly compromised with his mental health issues at the time, plus the mind altering magic. Emotions are pivotal in decision making, just as much as logic.

I checked, and I think the Lifeless act on Commands that they were Awakened with, with separate activation Commands that act as keys and are changed regularly, divided into the hands of separate gods in the Court of the Returned. So, they definitely would not be able to negotiate or accept surrender. I've been hilariously wrong about Warbreaker stuff before, so please correct me if I'm off here! Something I was recently reading and was on my mind so I was noticing it's presence in language, but nvm off-topic.

While the social and religious policies of Idris are questionable, getting rid of their entire country I think would be even more morally questionable. That's... genocide. War over border expansions for access to better trade routes or resources is one thing but keep in mind the participants in this conflict, would the Lifeless be capable of enough higher reasoning to accept terms of surrender? Wouldn't they just put everyone to the sword? I also doubt the Lifeless felt patriotic, they were kinda programmed that way. There's also the fact that the Lifeless men are already dead, the ones they'd have been going to kill however weren't. Hmm... the phrasing of Ixthos' answer... male disposability hypothesis intensifies

A lot of the Surges got sneaky uses! I think we saw the Surge of Transportation's aspect that deals with motion in Oathbringer when Jasnah Soulcasts at a distance. Not the infectious Soulcasting itself but she transferred or rather copy-pasted momentum somehow, each person hit was pushed back to hit the next person with the same force, like dominoes

Hmm... I don't believe we've seen anyone aside from Iyatil Nalthis, huh? There was that Terriswoman nurse of Lemex's, but I think that was likely Aslydin, Demoux's wife (no particular reason, just a feeling)

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Which he did while feeling no emotions. The emotional control that Marsh (and Eshonai) experienced seem different than what Moash is experiencing. They are directly controlled and a portion of their mind is still conscious and cognizant, separate from the mind control. Both compared it to feeling trapped in their own body. Moash on the other hand, has his own emotional capacity directly crippled. It's also meme in the community, like "I'm a Stick". (which I think is the biggest factor, not only are there legitimate things to dislike about the character, you also get a lot of positive reinforcement from other people in the fandom) Plus Sadeas and Amaram are dead, they were the other detestable characters.

He has a cultural & religious conscientious objection to fighting, and so he's trying to help them in other ways. There are lots of characters who aren't fighting. Besides, we know there's more to the Unkalaki from Dawnshard. There might be more to Rock's story, something different than the "main quest" but still important

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You are all ascribing agency to Moash, agency that he doesn't have. He's mentally exhausted and kept that way by social isolation and by magical tampering with his mind. At no point does he choose anything, just get swept away by others. I've already argued about his actions as a member of Graves' conspiracy under the Diagram and under the Fused in WoR & OB as actions taken during and/or directly after significant mental stress & depression, actions taken while/after indoctrination. With Odium, there's also an element of addiction plus suicidal ideation. At most, I could accuse him of weakness but after everything he's been through, that would be a very wrong accusation to make. Even if I were to have been angry with him, at this point, he's suffered enough, he's paid his dues, dude's literally nihilistic at this point, I don't think you can get any more hopeless or low. I'm still really surprised at the amount of fire and vitriol aimed at Moash.

They were holding hands and singing ♪＼(*＾▽＾*)／＼(*＾▽＾*)／♪ and experimenting with rainbows just sayin'

Granted, but you gotta eat a wood apple before you can touch that durian I wish for a magical transport to safely, comfortably & inexpensively travel the world!

I kinda sympathized with Taravangian's side of the argument in OB and in RoW, as far as he knew, he was fighting a god. It was a matter of survival vs extinction, any methods were permissible. But then that "save them all" came and... were those Taravangian's true colours after all? It put everything else he'd said into a new context. I think Taravangian's Lost Redemption is good topic on this, that's basically how I felt with where the story took him.

It's not like I was born an atheist, I did try. Ultimately, I left religion not just because I couldn't believe in things that weren't verifiable but also because of the people, after all there's a three letter word that could've destroyed any relationship I built with most of them. We're not out to get you, you know. Getting out of religion is a very difficult choice. There's a phrase "living without god is like living in a house without a roof" that describes the first experiences of atheists. I think that in the context of debating god or religion as a source of morality, we have to separate the idea of truth and reality. We don't know the truth of the existence or non-existence of god, debating on no proof of existence not being proof of non-existence or the problem of evil are ultimately thought exercises, hypotheticals. The effects of religion, on the other hand, are tangible and very real. Open any history textbook, religion has demonstrably been used towards bad ends. When talking about moral principles, the effectiveness and viability of those moral principles is also important, though do note that difficulty in applying certain moral principles is not proof of it being unsound. Ultimately, history shows religion has been used to do some pretty bad things, things that people then thought permissible and that people now find questionable. What changed? It's the same religion, venerating the same god. People changed. It is people that moral standards are applied to, regardless of the source. People who interpret it, adapt it and/or to it, apply it.

This is where I would scream "unreliable narrator"! He's magically mentally handicapped right now, so yes, still forgivable. And even before that, he was in a sorry mental state. He'd basically been indoctrinated into a cult.

And how is God perfect? By virtue of being being unverifiable & unfalsifiable? Because he supposedly said so? That is how we atheists see it, btw

Why did he feel bad about it then?

How is the God Beyond perfect? By virtue of being being unverifiable & unfalsifiable?

Btw, if good is following god, isn't Moash good? He's following Odium, who is a god in many Rosharan cultures, Odium's a Shard of Adonalsium, so by power too as close as one can get to a god, aside from being Adonalsium.

The Aethers are a core magic of the Cosmere series Brandon has been trying to fit them in for a long time, from Lor to Aether of Night to Liar of Partinel to Dragonsteel revisions. So I'm sure the Aethers are special. The possible uses of Aviars compared to them aside, Aviars also seem much more difficult to get to, even during the time of Mistborn era 4, going by Sixth of the Dusk and Khriss' notes in Arcanum Unbounded. But look at Mraize's personal philosophy of predator and prey from his encounters with Veil. The man would absolutely try to get his hands on them because it's so difficult to get to them. If fewer people have access to them, then it's a valuable commodity + fewer people would be aware of / be able to counter its abilities, which would also make them valuable to the Ghostbloods.

No, Ashyn should not presently have a Perpendicularity, under normal circumstances, as it does not currently have a resident Shard, as far as we can tell But that doesn't mean it's impossible that there's a Perpendicularity there. Perpendicularities can be created and Avatars of Shards can also have Perps Ashynites made their way to Roshar via Realmatic shenanigans The humans of Ashyn were probably native to Ashyn as they predate the Shattering and were probably created by Adonalsium Humans didn't all migrate from Yolen after the Shattering, there were humans on other planets As for "where are the Ashynites?", a lot of them migrated to Roshar but a few remained behind on floating cities in the sky as per the Silence Divine