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No, they wander towards the person bonded to the Blade. They vanish when brought into the Physical (for example, Adolin sees some of the gathered deadeyes outside Lasting Integrity turn into mist because they were summoned).

I don't see why anti-Investiture would have a different Intent. It's a very crucial part of the way it works that it's essentially the same (tone sounds the same, rhythm would sound the same, etc). It would be odd if, say, anti-Odium sounded the same as normal Odium (all chaotic and crazy) but was, Intent-wise, orderly and nice or something.

Testament being in the CR shows that the Blade's dismissed.

Tbf, the description Dalinar gives of Odium does include that. But Odium isn't just passion. He's specifically "the power of emotion, passion, and—most deeply—the power of raw, untamed fury. Of hatred unbound." So hate's still the largest part of it by far.

The Aons used in the language are based on the landscape, though. (Written language, anyway. The sounds are probably a different matter.) Oh for— Here's the right one, I thought I fixed that. Must've pressed copy instead of paste when fixing the URL or something.

According to Sja-anat, the Everstorm's been building in Shadesmar for centuries. He might've come through there. Nale also tries to deny that the Everstorm granting forms of power is proof of Voidspren getting off Braize, so.... He probably figured Ulim had somehow hung around past the end of the Desolation and hid, as he tries to claim happened with the singers in Edgedancer. Nale's not particularly logical when it comes to the topic of signs of a Desolation. Bringing the Fused through into a single point in the Cognitive probably isn't very useful. They can't take bodies (presumably, may not be correct), and they have to walk everywhere. It's probably kinda hard to carry out a Desolation in that state. Also, slaveform singers might not be able to open themselves up to a Fused, anyway. So the Everstorm is required for a proper Desolation either way. He talks about how they were trapped on Braize and the Unmade had to go without them during the False Desolation, and Pattern says Voidspren getting through was a sign the Oathpact was no longer working right. So both the Voidspren and normal spren believe the Voidspren are ordinarily trapped.

Because the entire city is designed around multiple Aon shapes, and has to be built with the Intent to function as an Aon by people with the ability to make Aons? Because the Selish powers being based around the landscape has been said by Brandon to be due to the Shards having been shoved into the Cognitive after being Splintered. Aons have to be made by AonDor users with Intent to make it an Aon. The cities would have to by happenstance be built in a perfect shape with perfect proportions and distances for walls and roads to be added later for this to happen (and the inside of Elantris would have to be completely redesigned, as the city's layout is in the shape of a different Aon from the big Rao). This is a mistake on my part, I conflated a couple WoBs about Elantris and the Aonic people. We don't actually know when they arrived, as far as I can tell.

I could accept that, I suppose. Still feels really odd to me an Aon could be built prior to the Dor and still function, but it wouldn't be the weirdest thing with Cosmere magics by a long shot. The fact it's seemingly named after her is probably why (Which is weird, because the sounds are not inherent to the letters, so why'd they name it after Aona, when the Aonic peoples definitely arrived millennia after the Splintering? Who knows.) But why would it be landscape-based yet, and why would it still continue to function after the power it's drawing from got moved to an entirely different Realm? Edit: Oddly enough, she seems to have multiple Shardpools in those mountains. The one Hoid goes through doesn't actually match the description of the one the Elantrians use. Makes sense how it could happen, not a crazy deal, still an interesting side note to me.

I think the interpretation with that theory (at least when I've considered it) has generally been "ah crap they all left anyway, I'm too late to warn people to prepare like I'm trying to do"? You're the timeline guy, so I'll defer to you if I'm wrong, but I thought the Fused and Voidspren had been in Shadesmar since before our current understanding of when Taln returned? (Admittedly, we don't have a very hard date for that.) I forget, do the Heralds ordinarily return prior to the Fused or simultaneously? It's kinda odd. It apparently doesn't fully circumvent the Oathpact, but Odium believes the Oathpact as it is won't work to hold the Fused back from rebirth (this may be due to Jezrien's death or due to the final member breaking for the first time, however, so it's not solid evidence the storm would have worked prior) (RoW 112): More importantly, Pattern says that the spren started bonding again because a backdoor to the Oathpact had been found and was being exploited (RoW 75): Plus, there's the fact that Ulim's here at all. That's kinda a biggie, because he does back up that the Oathpact should still be binding him (when combined with what Pattern said), and (especially relevant) he implies that he believes bringing the Everstorm over will initiate a Return (RoW 73):

Ah, no, it does, but the WoB's not approved by the Arcanists yet, so you need to be logged into an Arcanum account to view it. Here it is: AonDor existing before Aons or the Dor should have existed isn't an issue? I mean, clearly our understanding is just pretty flawed, but as far as we know, none of the Selish magics should have existed yet, because the Shards being Splintered and in the Cognitive is the reason we've been given for why the shapes are based on the land in the first place, and letting things through from the Cognitive is the basis for how the magic works at all. The city is designed around multiple shapes that should not have been at all significant at the time, and must be stupidly precise in order to function and built with the Intent to draw from a power source that should not have existed at the time either.

I would guess that the Rhythms aren't coming from the planet itself, but rather the Investiture Invested in it, but who knows, this stuff's not very clear yet.

The Everstorm might remove the need for a Herald to break at all, if it turns out Taln did in fact not break. Honestly, I'm still not even sure whether they get sent to Braize immediately back then either. The fact that the Desolations would go on decades, with the Fused resurrecting and stuff, makes me wonder if it's truly automatic, or if the Heralds have to choose to go back to Braize after they die to lock the Fused back in. (Dying does seem to be a key part of the process for whatever reason, though.) Very good point.

Yeah, there was a lot of discussion of AonDor and the Selish magics in the Discord recently, after the WoB on when Elantris was built, so I remembered how to find a few different relevant ones, lol

Yeah, Sel's an odd one. Brandon's said he considers it all one system (somewhat analogous to Surgebinding and its manifestations), but some of the manifestations are more closely related than others. (Interestingly, Elantris apparently was built before the Splintering of the two Shards, which... makes no sense, but alright then. ) I would guess that's a knowledge issue more than anything else. I don't see why joining the organization of monks would actually be a prerequisite. We know the Shaod is due to the city of Elantris. It's unclear whether the initiation for AonDor was modified or if the city just transforms people initiated normally, but the fact most of the other magics there don't seem likely to have a similar initiation makes me wonder.

Imo, while "adoda" quite possibly does derive from Adonalsium, the "Ado" in Ba-Ado-Mishram is a reference to "adoda" (perhaps the name's even old enough to be from before symmetrification of words? but names like Kholin show they're willing to just combine halves of words).

We know that the Dor is an incredibly dense essentially plasma storm (it's not called the Expanse of Densities for nothing!), so I'm inclined to think it's just a natural consequence of shoving such an immense amount of Investiture into one place, but interesting catch nonetheless.

Nah, that's just Kel making crem up.

Yeah, there's Siah-human hybrids.

If the previous heavy implications weren't enough, how about a confirmation?

A rather interesting WoB I just recalled: What if the Dawnshards and Shards are these seeds? That would explain what the connection here actually is, perhaps.

Fair enough, I'm very curious about it as well. Honestly, I think that's exactly what he needs, at least for a while: a bit of time without any massive weight on his shoulders, lives depending on him, or hard decisions to make. He's started the path to getting over some of his demons, but I feel he's by no means done with them, and I don't think the burden of leading the Radiants is something he's in a good place for quite yet (though a few years down the line, he could be a good candidate, just not during the short time period Book 5 will probably cover).

I mean, he does literally get a cloak with a tower and crown on it from Dalinar after the Battle of the Tower. But it's possible it could be more. I dunno, I'll admit I have a bit of a gut bias against "special boy Kaladin does special things because he's special", and it doesn't to me feel in line with his arc at the end of RoW, so perhaps I'm not always giving these kinds of things a fair shot (I do try to, but there's definitely an emotion-based reluctance at times that I don't always properly ignore.)

That seems pretty reasonable with what we know. Honestly, might've just settled there together because there's not a lot of them (we know there's dozens of each, but that's it), and they wanted to hang out with other immortals because they were tired of everyone they knew dying on them, lol.

Yeah, it all draws from the Dor. (Fun fact, Brandon doesn't even actually always consider the Selish magics to be separate systems from one another at all, just variants in the way Surgebinding has multiple variants.) Not that this is necessarily even a particularly useful categorization. Though Brandon does occasionally use the term: