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The Argent WoB: Something to note: the Heightenings aren't discrete levels. Even a single Breath increases your senses and such. So we can't say for certain that she's even First Heightening. Probably talking about when he has the glowing red-yellow eyes, when Lirin is taken? She knows there's ten levels and that it's somehow a cousin to the Old Magic, but what any of that means, I have no idea Brandon's said the third is fabrials. (Which is weird, since he's also said that you could consider there to be 30 magics, which would imply fabrials are ten-based somehow...) Fair. I don't quite agree, but it seems we disagree more in matter of degree than actually disagreeing fully. Yeah, fair. We don't have much of anything to go off, and my theories on Dawnshards are... not really well-formed.
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The main things we know in this department are: Khriss would consider the Fused to be Surgebinders, and does consider Voidbinding a separate thing from Surgebinding. What Renarin does isn't exactly Voidbinding, but is close enough Brandon pointed Argent to the Voidbinding chart to explain what Renarin does. Voidbinding has been partially explored in the past, but never fully. They are fundamental to the magic system, sure, but I don't see them as actually fundamental forces. What even is Trasnformation as a force, or Transportation, or Adhesion? They represent concepts that from a philosophical point of view could be argued to be fundamental, but aren't really "fundamental forces", I feel. Fair enough. While I disagree, I can see the argument for doing that. I sort of agree, but not fully. One thing I'd note is there do seem to be some large differences: example, Hoid has to use sand, etc to twist into the illusions, he can't just make one. I would strongly disagree with the Old Magic being a "magic system" (or being what Lift is doing). I'd just call the Old Magic direct intervention by a powerful being, which got called the Old Magic because it's really old. I'd guess it probably leans Cultivation, but would also say it seems to have both Shards involved to an extent.
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"It seems very possible" is a pretty different matter from "no other way makes sense", though. I mean, it feels more likely to me that they just have a different magic system altogether, personally, though there may be some parallels, the way fabrials have parallels to Allomancy and the various forms of healing across the Cosmere all have similarities in their function. Sure, it's a smaller leap, but I feel the Fused have demonstrated a clear enough lack of knowledge to not really be able to take what they say at face value at all. I do believe there's a kernel of truth to some of it, but I don't feel it's any more than a kernel. I don't fully agree, though I partly do. I feel it's much more likely to be a mix of H&C, though maybe leaning one or the other. But they use spren from both in the forms we know. I may be misunderstanding your argument, but I don't understand how "we've never seen it anywhere else" is evidence for it being fundamental? What three are these? Fused, Radiants, something else? Fair enough, I've got weirder crackpots xD
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(Apology in advance for responding horribly out of order, putting it instead in the order of which I had responses for first) Brandon has referred to Adhesion as pressure before, multiple times. Perhaps her old Radiant never got as far, or perhaps she won't understand until he fully hits the Ideal (which he now has), or perhaps it being the windspren actually performing the act makes it harder. It could also just mean that Ashyn had a proper magic system in the past. We know they had a magic system following the "same basic principles" as Surgebinding, though it's not quite the exact same. They've currently got diseases granting strong enough control over gravity to levitate cities, a proper magic system there granting a Bondsmith sounds fine to me. Khriss considers Sel to have Lightweaving too, but they don't have Surgebinding. It just means "any illusion magic", as far as we can tell. Hmm, odd. Main thing I can think of is Light increasing his senses, plus maybe Connection Mumbo Jumbo. I'll need to look through his other fights for similar things. Sure, but doesn't that seem to point to the Fused not being fully correct in their stances here? I mean, I don't believe in the latter theories either yet. Well, yes, but I don't think the Surges are the fundamental laws of the universe in the first place (besides in a philosophical manner, in that the categories are broad and metaphorical enough to technically encompass most things).
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Considering that the Fused think Honor and Cultivation invented gravity, I'm not so sure we can take their word on any of this They also think that Investiture of Odium and Honor will annihilate on contact, for further examples of them not really understanding these concepts yet. Lift's Progression worked just fine, and yet the Fused see nothing wrong with that Surge. And it's not solely Lift weirdness, because her Abrasion didn't work, indicating there's something up with Progression. Adhesion is the Surge of Pressure and Vacuum. Via the windspren, he seems to have used it to do very complicated things he doesn't quite get yet. When was this? I don't remember it, but my memory's not great, so I probably just forgot. They are what Rosharans believe to be fundamental. We've been told spren on other planets would grant a different set of powers based on what those people believe to be fundamental (for example, Earth could grant an electromagnetism Surge). Ashyn's part of the Rosharan system still, and it's not unreasonable to imagine they had a similar concept as the Rosharans, especially with a few Shards hanging out there. When do we hear that Yolen has Surges?
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Used the ancient atium and lerasium symbols to do Mistborn Prime and Final Empire Prime, though just having a single chapter of each makes the necessity questionable.
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Thanks! I mean, it's mostly just tossing some semi-related icons onto the preexisting cover and screenshotting things from the font previews, tbh. But still, thanks!
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What was the Voidlight in the Void?
LewsTherinTelescope replied to The Technovore's topic in Cosmere Discussion
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RoW Rhythms vs. Mistborn Rhythms
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Seems like it: Probably bronzepulses too:- 29 replies
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I know Ba-Ado-Mishrams location.
LewsTherinTelescope replied to Frustration's topic in Cosmere Discussion
I've had a half-baked theory in my head that it might be related to the Sibling making fabrials with so many varied functions. I've imagined it as sort of like, shaping their Investiture into a form like that of a specific type of spren, but not actually breaking it off from themselves into a separate being (kind of balling a bit of clay but not fully splitting it from the main chunk). -
Haha yeah it's never fun when that happens. Bright side: WoK didn't come out until 2010, so any Stormlight theory can't have been disproven quite so long ago This theory's pretty interesting, but unfortunately I don't think it's likely to be true. For one, Frost is a dragon and on Yolen, but Koravellium is the only dragon on Roshar, at least as far as Hoid knows. For another, the Plains were likely Shattered during or after the Desolations, since there used to be a city there during the Epoch Kingdoms. Love how much was put into this! Even if this particular theory likely isn't true, it's always nice to see theories like it. Oooh, that's actually a cool idea, regardless of whether Roshar's Yolen or not. The Siah are still so mysterious. And the Shattered Plains are still so weird...
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theory Blackened Wounds [Discuss]
LewsTherinTelescope replied to LewsTherinTelescope's topic in Cosmere Discussion
I would agree some Shards have colors associated with them, but I would argue that those are also due to perception shenanigans (for example, Cultivation ending up associated with green due to an association in people's minds between her and green plants makes sense, I feel). The "Odium's real color" bit just to me sounds like suspicious backtracking because he said something he didn't mean to, imo- 21 replies
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You're assuming there is a color Ruin "actually" is beyond things assigned via perception and such. I would disagree with that, personally.- 21 replies
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That is incredibly vague, though, and we don't know what those "weird things" Brandon refers to are. Additionally, the raysium dagger leaks black smoke after stabbing Jezrien, which presumably is not Breath. Hmm, that's an interesting thought, for sure.- 21 replies
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Added a cover for Dragonsteel Prime, using Dragonsteel Entertainment's logo. The fact we'll presumably get a cover at the same time as the actual book means this one's not as useful as the WS or AoN ones, but oh well. Also, the length of the title means the font had to be smaller than I would like, but can't do much about that. Image has been added to the main post. Edit: Added a Liar of Partinel cover as well, using the Cosmere logo.
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vessels Question concerning splinters and the 16 vessels:
LewsTherinTelescope replied to Levin's question in Cosmere Q&A
I disagree it would likely have this effect. The one example we have, the Vessel is just frozen into inaction by constantly-competing Intents he can barely keep balanced. Holding all 16 Intents sounds like a good way to just essentially get your mind torn apart or something. -
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I know Ba-Ado-Mishrams location.
LewsTherinTelescope replied to Frustration's topic in Cosmere Discussion
We don't know the entire contents of Szeth's list, nor do we know much about western Rosharan countries. He also likely passed Panatham already, as he already commented on people in Babatharnam, and the city is relatively close to the eastern edge, especially if he's passed several other notable locations since. -
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I don't think we know where Szeth was fighting in the vision, do we? And as far as I can tell, that's the only place he sees after the city under the ridge. -
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LewsTherinTelescope replied to Frustration's topic in Cosmere Discussion
He generally seems to be moving east to west in the vision. Prior, he was seemingly likely in Tashikk, Azir, and Babatharnam, so Rall Elorim could match up, though it could be elsewhere. -
dawnshard Let's make groups of four, RoW edition
LewsTherinTelescope replied to mathiau's topic in Cosmere Discussion
I mean, I've always just been of the opinion that it's exactly what it seems on the surface, it's Honor/Dalinar being obsessed to the point he's hearing it when it's not directly being said/weird Spiritual Connection mumbo jumbo. -
dawnshard Let's make groups of four, RoW edition
LewsTherinTelescope replied to mathiau's topic in Cosmere Discussion
The general theory about Unite tends to involve Dalinar's UNITE THEM, which Gavilar heard too. (May not apply to your specific theory after all, my bad.)
