Ookla-son-son-Ventyl

5 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

K, cool! So. Looking at this from an elim perspective, the objective for them is to make sure the Camp is overrun, right? In order to do that, they need to avoid being exed and get as many mix's as possible. Sooo they need to be trusted, right? Obviously a D1 bus wouldn't be the worst idea since it doesn't lower the Hoard Strength, but that's very costly and only works for one person. So... what if they protected the camp N1 and made sure that there was a way to confirm it? The Camp almost certainly wasn't going to be overrun N1 since every villager had chalk and the Strength was so low. So the elims take a Lantern (TJ--or I suppose myself) and then one of them (Kas or TUO) draws a Line. The Lantern user gets a vil read for accurately reporting Defense, and the Line-drawer gets vil cred for Defending, but the elims don't actually lose anything but a Piece of Chalk. Then they can work on taking the other Lanterns (notice there are no more in the Supply and yet no one has claimed to have one) and Chalk and killing any villagers who had Lanterns (TJ or me--either one would explain the blocked kill since we both protected).

Scale of 1-10 how paranoid does that sound?

Maybe like a 5.

28 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

I'm not even offering you up for the elimination?? I just said that I'll be rescinding my previous village read of you which I had given after reading till the end of N1. 

I'm not even reading you as an elim, I didn't mention elim!Ventyl anywhere. No more village read is not equal to elim read. It means more like back to the drawing board. 

Hm, well it read a lot like you were considering me as an elim.

But still your reason for putting me back on the drawing board is still contradictory. 

44 minutes ago, TJ Shade said:

Confirmation, if it was ever required. This is Kas, TUO and Mat's Acid, yeah?

I don't recall you mentioning it. Have you?

Lesser camp protects, lesser kill protects, lesser roleblocks, lesser action scans

This post, sigh. If you think Mat is an elim, and Illwei saved Mat, it's Mat -> Illwei connection, not Illwei -> Mat connection as a villager who is uncomfortable Mat/Gears could have started it as well. Besides, I read Mat as village too from the posts this cycle, and I read Quinn as village as well. Thing is, this outlandish jumping to conclusion, I really don't think it's the action of an elim ._. Let me be clear, I'm not reading you as village either, I'm just confused about you. But this, in particular, doesn't seem like an elim move.

Matrim, you were the one who told she was continuing her RP from sign-ups. I read this as similar to my thief claim.

What exactly did Archer contribute? He made two posts of note, one which told he's going for bribe preemptively, and one in which he said he isn't voting for the main wagons and votes on Illwei, both these I'm not exactly comfortable. So, what is the good bit he contributed?

I thought you didn't want me to talk about it xD On a serious note, I don't think an elim would lie about it as it's the easiest way to get caught by crab users - much easier lies would be "protected myself" or "protected someone else"

Bolded wording very very weird. She used that momentum? No one followed that vote on Dannex till 4? hours later and Illwei did not speak about Dannex again. No other push on the vote. What is this momentum?

Disagree with the reasoning for the read. Could be the kill was blocked/protected and he was trying to move away from that. 

This whole post reads very much retroactive. Like a lots of things are "I had thought-" and "This was my thinking-" well why didn't you say so at the time? "It looked like a v/v wagon" why didn't you say so? "my gut said Matrim was a mis-vote"  well you didn't say a thing after initially mentioning Matrim was the suspicious of the village nulls. This paragraph sounds structured to make the past!you look good, when you did not say any of the things in the thread. 

You did that exact same thing. :P.

My problem is not the fact that you grabbed the bribe. It's how you tried to reason it off as village. There were 6 bribes in the supply. The thief could have picked from those. I see absolutely no reason for you to offer it to the thief other than to appear non-threatening with the bribe and appear as village. The thief has no reason to believe you too. The continued insistence to get robbed reads very weird to me. 

Reading Reading as village

Very easy to fake this post, but it reads an genuine to me. Village points for this.

I've been trying to not elim-read Lotus a lot for her only RPing throughout the game, but this post just screams elim.

I think @Sart sees the doubts asked in the thread (this one by Kas in particular), and phrases the questions himself and gives answers to them. At least that's how his clarifications seemed to me. The questions seem very formal, all of them. So I assume he's been phrasing them himself. I used Line of Forbidden to protect myself too and I did not ask that in my GM PM, so it's either he phrases the questions himself or we have a 3rd LoF self-protector. If any outed crab users saw someone target me, we probably have a suspect.

Ash, what exactly are you trying to say here? That she didn't exactly forget her actions? That she lied about forgetting her actions and she actually did use an action? If she lied about her forgetting her actions, what is your assumption that she used? Would an elim blatantly lie about forgetting an action, whereupon they could be easily caught if scanned? I don't see why Elim!Illwei has any reason to lie about not using an action. 

I really do not like this train on Illwei. Reasons: STINK (Math), Striker (vote based on lots of assumptions and jumping to conclusions and tied to two other player), Archer (mainly for starting Dannex vote), Ventyl (jumped on Archer's reasoning) and Ash (whole lotta stuff). 

From what we've seen so far, I only see Illwei being an elim if Mat is one. Not because she started the Dannex vote, but more because Mat's been sly-defending Illwei, i.e. defending without actually defending, but this is like a stretch scenario because reading Mat as vil right now.

And I'm really not into the contradiction reason. It's such a silly mistake, way too foolish for an elim to make. Literally no reason for elim!Illwei to make the post saying "villagers will not go for the book", I don't see how an elim could make a big slip such as this after continually saying they're going for the said book. And now Striker's confirmed that she had told him the plan so elims don't get their hands on it preemptively, not after, like in thread. 

@Illwei, I don't recall suspicions on anyone, who are your top suspicions?

Archer. Suspicious of Lotus. Very mild elim read on the bystander. they were quiet rping till they are voted on upon which a quick response was given. New player, hence very mild elim read. 

No more elim read on TUO because of the camp protect, but still find their item analysis very obvious. Like yes, everyone agrees with it, but that's because it's mainly stating the obvious. So agreeing with it, != village read. Also, would like to know why they changed from their initial plan of just using LoF to protect themselves. 

No more village read on Ventyl for jumping on Archer's reasoning. 

Ash is village on the whole, but that one point of "Archer contributed a good bit in D1" is nagging me.

Striker... is really sticking with the "found half the elim team" theory. I really don't know, confused. 

Bold mine.

If you’re saying what Illwei has done is to big of a slip for an elim to make, then isn’t what I’ve done the same? If elim!Ventyl was real, would I be so careless to just follow blindly someone else’s reasoning? The reasons for clearing Illwei and your suspicions of be are highly contradictory. It looks a lot like an elim!TJ trying to clear elim!Illwei by offering alternative lynch targets in Archer and myself.

(Sorry for the long quote)

9 hours ago, StrikerEZ said:

@Ashbringer In Illwei’s defense, she did in fact mention wanting to get the book of vigor to keep it out of elim hands, around ~18 hours into D1. I’m about to sleep, just felt the need to add that. I’ll think about what it means later.

In thread or in PMs? 

If so why did she never state her intentions in thread? @Illwei, this is why Ash is suspicious of you.

3 minutes ago, Quinn0928 said:

I need to stop looking at the thread in the middle of doing physics labs XD I miss like half of what's said...

That’s probably a good idea

Just now, Quinn0928 said:

Wait so what do you think Connie is then, the Thief? *confused*

Yep.

2 hours ago, Ventyl said:

I would just like to say I think @Condensation is thief due to some interesting things in PMs, such as them taking a Spring-powered crowd and then reacting very interestingly when I told them it was thiefy. 

Obviously, I’m might be wrong. But, I think it’s something worth looking into. Also @Sart, how does CMing the thief affect the horde?

I’ve already said it here.

1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said:

And have been explained adequately

I've been sussing Connie the whole game and you haven't mentioned it. Illwei isn't even voting her I don't think.

Hmm, intriguing. Well, maybe I shouldn’t have just based my vote on this paragraph from Archers post...

43 minutes ago, Archer said:

Anyway, Illwei has been bad under pressure so far. Cagey answers, inconsistent between what they say they’re doing and what they actually do, trying to call out Connie but not pushing very hard when it didn’t get traction (both Matrim and Illwei have told me they find Connie suspicious, interestingly, so add that to your web, Striker),

Seemed like good enough reason, and I was too lazy to go look back at the thread. Either way, I’ll leave my vote as I still am suspicious of Illwei.

Illwei

I’m putting my vote here for two reasons. First, the inconsistencies that have already been pointed out are concerning. Second, their push on Condensation—who I don’t think is village, but also isn’t an elim—seems rather suspicious.

I would just like to say I think @Condensation is thief due to some interesting things in PMs, such as them taking a Spring-powered crowd and then reacting very interestingly when I told them it was thiefy. 

Obviously, I’m might be wrong. But, I think it’s something worth looking into. Also @Sart, how does CMing the thief affect the horde?

2 hours ago, STINK said:

yeah its maths

I can get down to vote Illwei for this

EDIT:

...or maybe STINK since he likes math?

1 hour ago, Quinn0928 said:

you should RNG whether you RNG or not

Me likey.

(Oh, I’m a House Lord now... thanks for the upvotes )

43 minutes ago, Straw said:

Okay, please let me know if you die in the LG since I'm not following that.

Aye aye, captain!

21 minutes ago, Alvron said:

Blackbane wrote a letter too.  It was a.

A...?

EDIT:

WAIT, I GOT THE JOKE

Sakura dug the man’s grave.

It only seemed fitting since she was the one who’d cast the final vote. She was the one who’d chosen not to let fate decide. She was the one who’d damned an innocent man. She was terrible.

Sakura made the man’s grave deep, not just to respect him properly—as was per standard in the West—but to punish herself. She tore into the coarse dirt of the forest of Nebrask. Her shovel jolted her arms each time she plowed it into the soil, and each time she didn’t prepare properly for the shock. Her forehead dripped with sweat, rolling down her face and into her eyes, it gave her an excuse to stop digging. She was grateful and not at the same time. 

When she finished digging the three meter deep hole, her arms were covered in mud. It had started raining at some point. Sakura didn’t remember when though. Nevertheless, she climbed back to the surface, grabbing hold tightly to the rocks that jutted out of the ground so she wouldn’t slip on the wet dirt. In her ascent, she cut her hand against one of the rocks, its sharp edge tearing into her palm. Her blood fell with the rain into the soon-to-be filled grave. 

It only seemed fitting that part of her should be buried with Dan. 

She picked up his cold body. They hadn’t had a casket to put him in, only a thick tattered cloth wrap. It was disheartening to know that, if Sakura was put under the court’s judgment next, she’d meant a similar fate. Buried in land so far from Japan. Away from her lover, Hogetsu. Who’d never find out that her partner had died in a foreign forest, in a war she should’ve never taken part it. 

When she returned to the camp, soaked in mud with blood running down her arm, she received looks of concern, distrust, and some that she couldn’t read. Sakura paid them no heed. She returned to her lodgings after grabbing some kind of stew from the cooks tent. Then, she undressed and toweled herself dry, cleaning and bandaging the wound on her hand as she did so. It would make drawing Rithmatic lines for the next few days a struggle, which only seemed fitting as Dan would no longer draw them at all.

By the time Sakura finished cleaning herself, the stew had gotten cold, reminding her of Dan’s limp form. She gave her thanks and ate quickly, taking no time to treasure its dull taste. When she finished the meal, she set the bowl outside her tent for the cooks to collect the next morning. Leaving the bowl to fill with rainwater, she returned to the warmth of her shelter and sat down at her desk.

Sakura wrote a letter.

I’m not sure if I should join this of not, as I’m busy with the LG, school, and I have to do a solo for band soon. 

If I die in the LG before this starts, I’ll join.

I have been thoroughly persuaded.

Matrim’s DIce

Danex

Edit; 

Would rather lynch an inactive than some one who I’ve been flip-flopping on.

4 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

That's rather tinfoily, is it not?

I mean, I am kinda annoyed that I don't get to play and prove I'm innocent and whatnot but at the same time, I don't really have the time/shouldn't use my time for this game so maybe it's better to die D1. Plus, it'd be a first for me  

It is tinfoily, but I’ve done the exact thing before as an elim—which is probably one of my tells...

So, Matrim, sorry I’ve been flip flopping. I didn’t want to possibly mis-CM a villager, but considering you’re doing something I’ve done as an elim quite often it gives me an elim read of you. 

(Don’t worry Mat, if you flip village I’ll write a properly sad RP for you!)

edit: ninja’d by half the world 

4 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Okay, to be clear: I was trying to say two things at once. The first being that it’s concerning that there’s only like...2-3 players posting reasoning and we only like 9 hours left in the turn. 

The second thing I was trying to say is that, because you were one of the few actually posting reasoning, I was able to go through and find flaws in your reasoning.

Okay, I see what your primary reasoning is now. I still think the book thing was you picking reasoning opportunistically.

This isn’t what I’m suggesting though. I’m literally just saying that I’d prefer we have 1-2 extra protects each night to avoid roleblocks and stuff. Even if we go overboard a bit, there’s like, what, 3 maps? Plus someone probably started with one as well. It just seems way too odd to me that you’re so adamant about not accounting for roleblocks and stuff. It would be way too easy for the elims to mess us up if we don’t overprotect at least a little.

Anyway, I’m sorry for the misunderstandings, but I still think you’re worth voting on. 

I’ve started with Chalk so...

Also, I don’t think I’ll vote Matrim anymore. They’ve seem to have cleared up the little misunderstanding, and contrary to Striker, I don’t think they are still worth voting on.

Just now, Matrim's Dice said:

...It’s not about the book. I’ve said that so many times -__- 

Then why did you vote on Striker originally?

Hmm, I’ve decided to vote for Matrim. For two reasons: One, I don’t want Striker to get CMed Day One like he’s so often found himself being. Two, I think that the reason Striker finds Matrim suspicious is valid. If I’m remembering correctly, Matrim voted on him because Striker said he was taking a book. I think taking a Book at this point his NAI, so for Matrim to be suspicious of Striker for it seems a little like an elim looking for a way to mis-CM a villager. 

Though, if we could, I’d rather we didn’t lynch anybody this turn. But sense there’s no real way to do that, I’ll go with the person I’m most suspicious of.

@Sart

Do some players start with items? Or do they have to be taken from the camp first?

Alright, I’ve finally arrived! I‘m definitely in the camp of coordinating you gets what book. Though, not in thread, as that’s just asking for the elims to target you. Because of this, I’m a little suspicious of Striker, but I know how often he gets lynched Day one, so I’ll hold off for now. 

3 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

 

It'll be okay, Kas, it'll be okay. The pain is only temporary.

Just like everything in this fickle universe...

Also @Kasimir are you trying to steal my brother this game by RPing as his brother?

14 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

I'm calling it before the game:

• Mr Invisible becomes Visible (@Araris Valerian) and ends up pocketing the Village as an Elim. 
• Mr SpiderEZ ( @StrikerEZ ) ends up being the pool of intel and fueling the Elim war effort.
• Mr Analytical ( @Alvron ) ends up rumbling the Elims, if he isn't one.
• Laidback!Kas turns out to be affably Evil and backstabs just about everyone who PMs him on sheer principle.
• Mr New Chaotic ( @Ashbringer ) ends up being misexed against someone who isn't Illwei and the other person explodes instead.
• Miss Threadqueen ( @Burnt Spaghetti ) becomes Village Leader and throws everyone into disarray with the chaos.

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Does this mean I need to start competing with Ashbringer to see which one of us is truly the latest and brightest in choas?