Elandera

Wow. Congrats elims. @Kynedath, it wasn't until that last cycle I was alive that I started to suspect you at all. Just wish I would have left my vote on you. @The_God_King, you also did well! If it weren't for Tess, I likely would have kept believing you for a few cycles. Also, the attempt to make me look suspicious was a very good play.

If I were mafia, I'd definitely change my vote to someone to ensure I don't die. Though, I already changed my vote to you. Sorry, but some of your responses to Kynedath feel a bit like an elim trying to stay alive. Especially this one.

As El's sig says, confirmed good does not mean confirmed right. DeTess could easily have been mistaken in her read, just as we all have been about the villagers we've lynched. EDIT: Also, I just noticed Stink flipped as a priest. I wonder if that means elims really didn't know each other, which would totally throw out my suggestions about Stink's mentions, unless they were super accurate about scanning their teammates.

Zillah is a fairly new player, and I think they may be more apt to target players they see as a threat more than players whose deaths would give little information. Leaving me alive makes some sense because suspicion could easily be cast my way from recent turns, so you'd be the likely target in the scenario of elim!Zillah. You, on the other hand, would be more likely to go for the informationless kill. Ironfire fits that pretty well, since they're new and have had little interaction with other players this game. I could be super wrong though. Zillah is a pretty good player and may have known someone might consider this argument in their favor. I didn't mention Experience because I'm not nearly as suspicious of them as I am of you or Zillah.

Wow... Are there really only four of us left? That does not bode well. I'm actually going to vote on Kynedath this turn. They've stayed out of most discussions until recently, yet have been fairly active. And they're the only player Stink didn't mention (excluding myself). Though, Stinks mentions of Zillah could easily have been distancing. The kill, however, makes me lean toward Kynedath being the elim. I have a feeling Zillah would be more apt to kill Kynedath over a new player.

Super excited for a First of the Sun game. I agree with El on this one. Especially if you're including a village kill role, this should be a neutral role. On the note of the Killer, I like that it activates a trap, since it's a bit of a deterrent for wanton killing just because they can. While it's great this also activates a trap, I'm not so sure about it checking alignment. Alignment scans can be tricky in balancing a game, as it gives decided advantage if that person can stay alive. If you made this an action scan, you could also make the spy a neutral role fairly easily. Though that would be similar to the Aviar Spy... except it would show anyone who didn't take an action (passive Aviar) or took an action that didn't count as an Aviar (elim kill). You'd also need to decide if the Killer, Aviar Killer, and Elim Kill would all scan the same or differently (my vote is the same, as it helps obscure both the good and bad killers). I wouldn't necessarily say the Nightmaw is a bad thing, but El is right. The only thing interacting with it currently is the Hidden Aviar, which seems to be a passive ability. Maybe you could link it with the traps somehow. Like, if they activate a trap and survive, they have a -% chance of attracting the Nightmaw the following cycle unless they have the Hidden Aviar? Hmm. That would only work if someone could end up with more than one Aviar, though. I'll keep thinking on this. Does the elim kill trigger traps?

Most of the interactions with DeTess, TGK and myself were via PM, which is why it's probably so foggy. You basically have my work and DeTess's statement from last cycle when they revealed TGK. I'll be leaving my vote on Straw, as I can see your point of view on the whole thing. And your statement did definitely start discussions, which I'll never argue against.

Looking back briefly at TGK's posts, they mentioned brief suspicion of Zillah and Experience. I doubt all three make up the elim team, but of the two, I'd be more willing to bet on Zillah being the elim. They were the only one TGK voiced actual suspicion about, which could have been an attempt at distancing. Zillah's subsequent suspicion of me for the reason stated is also a bit odd to me. That being said, Kynedath's post does make some sense as well. I'm split between wanting to vote Straw and Zillah. I'll probably vote depending on what would help save me, honestly, which right now is Straw.

What do you mean I was trying to bring y'all away from DeTess's thoughts? Just because I didn't agree with her on if elims knew each other? That happens all the time between villagers, especially since we know less than elims know to start. I think TGK was setting DeTess and I against each other. He PMed me C2 and said he'd scanned me as village, then asked for my suggestion on the next target. He offered up DeTess and I agreed. Then he "scanned" Tess and told her he'd scanned me. Speaking of TGK's lynch, there aren't any vote manipulation roles, right? @Elkanah, is my vote supposed to be missing?

I thought I said it pretty clearly in my post. Lynching a semi-active would give us more information than a lunch on a player who was already going to die.

I'll be switching my vote to Rath, just to prevent an inactive lynch. A. There's a filter that will take care of them if they don't eventually start contributing. If they don't die but don't post, then I'd be willing to lunch, as it means they're intentionally flying below the radar. B. At least one elim is clearly active, based on kill frequency. C. We'll learn more from a semi-active village lynch than even an inactive village lunch. Unless we know the inactive is elim (see point B), it's a bad idea.

EXPERIENCE - Neutral/Village: New player, seems to be taking a lot of stabs in the dark. I lean village since I'd expect an elim with support to be a little less chaotic with their votes, or an elim without support to be a little more reserved until they can find their companions. Ironfire - Neutral: Not enough information at the moment. Zillah - Neutral: They've contributed a bit, mostly with suggestions to get more information into the thread (voting in thread and less PMing). This could go either way with alignment, since elims would also want more information in the thread about people's actual views. Otherwise, she seems focused on DeTess. Nothing that makes me overly suspicous of Zillah, but enough that I'm keeping an eye on them. Kynedath - Neutral: Shares Zillah's view on thread information, and my views regarding the elim team. Hasn't said much else other than the vote on Rathmaskal, which I don't disagree with at the moment. The God King - Slight village: Like what DeTess said, I have a PM with them that makes me lean a little more village than the rest. Their playstyle is definitely different from before, but it feels honest/result of being fairly new still. Shanerockes - @shanerockes, do you have a bit more time today? I somewhat agree with Rath on this. Elim!Shane was very active last game, but that doesn't necessarily mean they're not elim this time. They could just be busy. Rathmaskal - Neutral: Similar views as Zillah/Kynedath with voting in thread, but not many posts overall. @Rathmaskal, top suspicions? Sart - Neutral/Village: Most indicative is their post on gut-read votes. I guess it could be an elim using that excuse to vote on someone without much basis, but it feels sincere. Also has been one of the more active voters. DeTess - Slight Village: Her arguments yesterday and push today for activity/contribution has me leaning village. She seems sincere in a push to solve the game Straw - Neutral: Two pretty NAI posts so far, mostly about mechanics. @Straw, any reads so far? STINK - Neutral/Village: It's a bit disconcerting seeing Tess say Stink is talking sense... mostly because it's true. Overall, there are entirely too many neutral reads due to lack of posts. I'm in that category, too. Sorry! For now, I think I'll vote Zillah.

I don't think anyone's thoughts on elims knowing/not knowing each other is a lynchable offense. I definitely see where Tess is coming from, and I do agree that we should be careful about lynching anyone just based on who they voted for. But that is good practice in any game. Overall, I think it would be more helpful to agree to disagree and try to find real basis for suspicions. I'm not certain they know each other, but I'm not going to discount some clues just because there's the possibility they might not.

Just catching up, finally. Sorry I wasn't around much at all C1. Thank you for laying out what I was trying to say with my slap-dash post last cycle. The reason I believe we should assume they do know each other is because we will be using all the possible information. It's a big risk, big reward kind of scenario, but the risk isn't much different than what we usually face. It's already plausible for a false clear due to bussing or some other kind of manipulation. If we do assume they know the other elims when they don't, I don't think it will mean more people get wrongly accused for protecting. That happens already all of the time. I still believe we should assume they know each other and not weed out potential clues just because we think they don't know whom to defend.

The second role I'd like to add: Curator of the Library of Congress: Much like your cousins in Alexandria, you are a specter charged with care of the Library of Congress. Once per night, you can lure someone into a trap, keeping them from taking action. (Standard roleblock)

I'm around, though not much today. I'm finally ending a marathon week of work tonight. Elims probably know each other, but may have additional personal goals that would benefit from them voting on their target. Realistically, there's no way to know until we have either a confirmed elim! Priest or the game is over. Until then, we should just go on, business as usual.

This already sounds like a hot mess. I love it! I'll join as Rainier. If I'm reading correctly, I can create a role, yes? I'm open to suggestions. Right now I'm thinking an oculator, but it would probably require items. Any suggestions? For now, I'll say the role is this, heavily influenced by Straw's PM rules. Oculator: Once per cycle, can scan a player to learn who they opened PMs with that turn. ***Subject to change***

It was time for me to be the one bussed rather than bussing. I'm cool with it, even if it hadn't led to our victory. The win makes it more satisfying, for sure. You did fantastic carrying through the end. You did fantastic! I'm glad you were one of the last of us to die, since your information from the Research doc was key in who we chose to kill. @Butt Ad Venture, Even through it was for a few cycles, it was awesome playing with you. You had some great ideas that helped us early game. @DeTess and @Araris Valerian, thank you both for running this game. It was a blast!

Welcome!

Sign me up. Glad you're joining us again!

For a semi-blackout, you can send the rules to the balance committee (myself, Amanuensis, STINK, Araris Valerian, and Sart are among them). What style of game is it, MR, LG, or QF? That will change which list you're placed on. You can also post the non-blackout part of the rules in this thread for anyone to give feedback on. It also helps people know what games to look forward to.

A no tie suggestion from you? That's it. You're definitely the elim this time!

1. Yeah, I get that. It's definitely not the sole reason, and would not be my argument if it weren't also for the vote. 2. I did start that. Now that I realize my mistake, my concern about Elkanah's vote is that he seemed too eager to join the wagon without checking for himself. I'd be just as willing to lynch Venture for the same if he weren't already dead, as his vote was not placed for self-protection. 3. It's always better to own up to a playstyle switch, especially if you are elim. I'd argue more that acknowledging it after someone brings it up I'd more NAI, while the actual change could still be a sign of elimineyness.

What do you mean it's a bad lynch? I get my argument isn't based on much, but there's be so little discussion in the game so far it's difficult to get a good read on anyone.

I disagree about the vote being suspicious. While I acknowledge my reasoning for voting on you was bad (in hindsight), I felt at the time it was valid. As I'd tried explaining to TGK, by the time the vote was split between Venture and yourself, I was DMing a D&D game and didn't really have time to make any changes. Nor did I really feel a change was necessary, because the votes on Venture seemed to have no more basis than the votes on you. I'm wrong, obviously, but you have to understand my reasoning in the moment based on the information I had available to me at that time. Elkanah's vote in that whole thing seems far more suspicious to me because of its timing. Most elims don't feel comfortable starting the lynch on someone they know will turn village, but they'll be more than happy to join it around the third vote.