Elandera

Sorry about that. I've posted twice (three times, including this post) prior to much lunch discussion. At that time, fewer than half the players had posted, and it was still just mechanic discussions. Nothing at that time seemed suspicious enough to note. Since then, I've been slammed. I have family in town and more on the way, and still have work. And work last night was brutal. Enough with the excuses, though. On to semi-substantial opinions (don't have time for more than a skimmed read). I don't like the lynches on any of the three currently with votes. Sart's sheep vote was most off, but I agree it was likely to draw too much attention for an elim move D1. In my time, I've seen more elims sit out D1 than sheep D1. Coda doesn't stick out as having done anything suspicious to me, so I'm not sure where that lynch is even coming from. And Venture seemed more like an effort to start lynch discussions, and not a real effort to lunch him. Like Coda, I don't see anything actually suspicious. I'm out of time. I'll try to add more thoughts later, and hopefully a vote.

I thought the same, but when I looked more I to it, there doesn't seem to be any indication that it's one-time only, unlike the wording with the gun. @BrightnessRadiant, could you clarify?

I believe, based on the types of items in the game, we're more likely to have 4 elims in the game, 3 at absolute minimum. Items like the knife and gun that can take out elims, binoculars that can spot them, and vests that can block kills are all things that will hamper elims efforts. It's just as possible for village to get these items (if not more possible, since we have more people). Besides, theft is also another thing that can cause problems for elims. I agree with pretty much all of this, especially if elims get their hands on binoculars. Villagers should be careful about making it obvious they have the smoke bomb, just so they don't become a target of theft. @BrightnessRadiant, I echo these questions, just in case they were missed. Awww. Ruin all my fun, why don't you. (Also, I thought you were specifically asking the person, Fifth, to not lynch you. I became very confused for a moment.) I'll RP later, when I actually get an idea worth RPing.

El just told me Shqueeves was not in agreement with a Kandra win, and requested he be killed. Manukos told me I was supposed to have Atium used on me last night, but the kill didn't go through. I don't know why. ( @Coda?) I searched for Atium last night turn, but didn't succeed. So long as neither of you used that action, I can get one at max at the end of the next night turn.

When is the soonest to get a guaranteed bead of atium? If it's going to be more than a turn, then I say just lynch someone and be done, even if it has to be me.

I will vote for a no lynch today.

Keep Venture was lit like a beacon in the mists, inviting all of Luthadel's elite to join in the festivities. Dera stood at the end of the long main hall, near the main dining table, looking at the arriving crowd. Her dress - a deep grey silk with swirling silver embroidery and a translucent silvery overlay - reflected the light, appearing as mist itself. It had a grand effect, accentuated by the decor of the evening. "Welcome all to Keep Venture," Dera said after a servant called the attention of the crowd. "Come, dine and dance. Enjoy your evening, and the hospitality of House Venture."

I suppose someone should probably put down a no lynch vote. Unless we want to start.

Dera raised an eyebrow as she read the latest message from her informant. Several Elariels dead, and Lady Elenbora now in charge. How interesting. This would change the political stage drastically in Luthadel. Dera didn't know Elenbora well, but was interested to see what the new power would mean for Elariel's overall influence. In just a few minutes, Dera was passing a sealed letter to a skaa servant, to be delivered back to her informant with instructions to spy on the new house leader. "Oh, and ready my carriage. I need to see my tailor." The fabric she'd ordered was nearly ready. --- Congrats Lemon! And Stick, too, I believe (if I'm remembering the rules correctly).

Weird question. If Stick survived, how did Lemon become the leader of the house?

Ash fell with a drifting grace as Dera watched from the comfortable - and clean - confines of her rooms. It swirled with the mist and gave her an idea for a new fabric. Something dark with an almost imperceptible pattern to catch and dance in the light. She began to sketch the idea in the form of a dress. Hopefully, she'd have it ready in time for the next ball. She hadn't heard when the next was supposed to take place. Many houses seemed to have little time for such planning. Ah, well. Supposed I am good a candidate as any. Dera called for one of her servants after she finished the drawing, then sent him off again with a list of instructions to begin preparations and send invitations. She'd also sent him to the head of her fabric factory with the sketch. The dress should be ready in time, if they worked the skaa a few extra hours. --- You are formally invited to attend a ball at Keep Venture in tomorrow night, hosted by Lady Dera Renault.

No particular reason sounds like an agreement with one of my housemates. Which one? If it's "El," you can probably assume Elbereth. My shortened name has usually been Elan or Ela. Not sure about Elkanah. Because it's cool. You should join us. Be El STINK. I mean, we all want the same thing and are thus going "100%", but some are attempting it through more political maneuvering than daggers in the night. What is your main strategy? Daggers or discussions?

I'll sign up, character pending.

Dera returned a polite greeting to Mundric. "The night goes well, so far. Though a little more subdued than I'd expected." She glanced around at the people gathered in hushed conferences. No one seemed to be mingling openly, but that was to be expected with so many making plays for their houses. "How is your night?"

Dera studied the gowns and suits of the more elite attendants. In more than one occasion, she noticed fabric of her own design made up their skirts or accents. Yes, business was very good. Her own gown - a deep violet silk with delicate silver embroidery, swirling like the mists themselves - drew more than a few jealous glares and admiring stares. Probably because the dress had more slink than any others in the ballroom. It was quite a ball. Tekiels were always willing to invest a little more than they probably could afford into their balls. It would not, however, compare to those hosted by her own house. This would suffice, though. Dera set off into the party, mingling among the attendants with pleasant smiles and small compliments - not all of them sincere, but that was the way of Luthadel. --- @Abstrusity, did you have anyone in particular in mind for your RP? If not, I'm willing to do a bit of back and forth RP.

Dera grinned when received an invitation to the Tekiel ball. It would be the perfect opportunity to begin her plans, and the perfect chance to show off her new dress. It was made of a new fabric she'd developed, then created in her house's factories. Nothing like a little murder and fashion to entertain.

Well played Thugs. I wish I'd picked up on the suspicion of Lemonelon and Wonko earlier, but didn't have time to look at the past turns. I also wish I'd scanned the right people! Elims, you killed everyone I scanned (aside from DA. That was a poor decision on my part). Bard, I loved the mechanics. I laughed so hard when we figured out everyone was a tineye. Unfortunately, that became much of my focus, rather than finding elims. Sorry. I think I just underestimated how quickly this low player count + QF would move. Very good game, everyone.

I don't have a ton of time today, but I do agree with the Lemonelon lynch. Striker's first vote may easily have been distancing, along with this statement from Striker in his last post: I'm also interested in why he included Wonko in this. The others in the list might be worth looking into a bit more, since they could have been included for distancing.

Ha. Yeah, I guess it would. I should read who dies more closely. EDIT: Hit send too soon. The elims are making interesting kill choices. Snipexe and Lum might have been able to pull suspicion away from them for a turn or two if they'd lived.

@Young Bard, is my vote intentionally missing? If not, then interesting. I'd be willing to vote Snipexe again if that were the case.

I think I'll vote Snipexe. Like Wonko brought up with Devo's lynch, there's little to no opposition to DA's lynch. And though I feel off about them, I don't think it's worth a lynch at this point. @Darkness Ascendant (quoting isn't working for me right now), I don't think we need a full scale organization of the scans. Like you said, it would be too easy to lie about results, especially in a full scale thing like that. My point was more as a counter to your suggestion to stop submitting actions entirely. An individual player can scan people, and if enough of them die and their scan results match, they can be more certain any thug results in later game are accurate. That only works if people continue submitting actions now. Once they get a false reading, then they know for certain their scan isn't always reliable. I suggest people keep submitting actions, and if they are certain their results are reliable, to find a reasonable argument against someone you scan as thug. No, I don't think we should rely on scan results only, or trust anyone's supposed results, but if they can present a reasonable argument with is, just like any other lynch in any other game, we can gain an advantage. I also don't see why you'd say elims would push for more scans. No scans is great for them, as they'd never be accidentally caught. Even bad scans can help village narrow down targets to inspect further.

I haven't taken much time to get reads yet, but I'm getting a bad gut read on DA. I'm going to hold of on voting on them though, since it may just be me disagreeing with their points and disliking how they're saying things. Style difference doesn't equal elim. I only have a few minutes right now, but I'll see if I can quickly sum up my thoughts on the living players so far. Snipexe - Standard level of activity from what I've seen/noticed. Mostly NAI, but Tess brought up an interesting point. Someone I'd like to look into more completely. Coda - Nothing much so far. I still disagree that scanning is useless. It's not completely useless, but should be taken with a grain of salt, just like scanning results in any game. There's always something that can mess up a scan. Why is this any different? Because everyone (?) has a scan? Wonko - Slight village read from the contributions I'e seen so far. Seem genuine in their protests of the Devotary lynch last turn. Darkness Ascendant - Slight elim read. Like I said on Coda's read, I don't think scanning is useless, and a lot of my read is coming from how vehemently they're opposed to even submitting the actions. Abstrusity - Slight village read at the moment, though difficult to say why. They seem sincere, I guess. Lemonelon - Probably strongest village read. I don't believe D1 was an elim vs elim lynch. Except... unless Striker decided to get himself lynched to save Lemon, a teammate who is new/ returning player. Sart - No read so far. Like DA, I think it's worth looking into them since they were scanned elim, even if we suspect some of those read may be bad. DeTess - Village. She's been active, pushing for people to get involved. Overall good village read. Elkanah - Neutral at the moment. Nothing has really stood out to me as one way or the other. That's all the time I have at the moment. I'll try to get back on later today to add a bit more.

I feel like a very confused Tineye at the moment. Bard, this is positively the best trolling I've seen in a while. It means we actually have to do work at it and not just lynch every person that scans as evil. But I don't think we should give up scans entirely. There are probably a few of us at least who have reliable scans, and it could really help later in the game when things come down to just a few players. If a few people have been able to calibrate their scans (scanned several people who later died) and get all accurate results, then they can be statistically certain their results are going to be correct. Very good point about confirmation bias though. Lynches, early on at least, need to be determined by things other than scan results. I still stand by what I said last time though. There's a good possibility that at least one who was scanned as thug turn is actually a thug. That's down to Sart and DA, I believe, from last turn results. Anyone else get scanned as elim? EDIT: It might be worth scanning the same person two turns in a row to see if you get consistent results, though I do still believe there may be a redirect ability.

True. Sorry. @Abstrusity, don't answer my question. I expect at least one of the evil scan results is correct. So far, that's DA, Sart, Devotary, and Lumgol. Of those, I'm still most suspicious of Devo. I'd like to lynch one of those targets, at least, to confirm they're elim or that someone good can scan as elim. Straw, Striker and Tess scanned student. Two are dead, one elim, so we know we can't fully trust results there. I have a good gut read on Tess, though. It's also possible the elim team is larger than expected to help balance so many scans.

Village, or Student, specifically? I know it's a different word for the same thing, but I'm feeling particularly pedantic about the word use at the moment. I scanned Straw last night, and was told my target was a Student. When I asked if my action could be redirected, I was told PAFO (unsurprisingly). Devotary. I need to look over last turn, but for now, I'm pretty suspicious of Devotary for the vote.