MountainKing

Hoid is Wit from Stormlight Archive The beggar in The Final Empire The King's Fool in Emperor's Soul The Storyteller in Warbreaker Topaz The second oldest sapient being in the cosmere. Hoid is a worldhopper that's in every story but the short story on Therondy and I believe the short story on First of the Sun. He was at the shattering, but turned down the shard, and was friends with both Rayse and Tanavast.

My problem was why was Elend almost stretching into the Beyond immediately, He a mistborn that became a mistborn by burning Lerasium, infusing himself with Perservation's investiture, and then Vin as Perservation infused him with investiture, so that he can use allomancy without metals, that should be enough investiture to at least remain in the cognitive realm for at least a few hours. Kelsier just being mistborn, by birth not Lerasium and being weaker than Elend, was able to stay in the cognitive realm for over an hour.

Someone explain this to me

Can someone explain to me the danger of the knowing this thwory..

Time is meaningless in the spiritual realm, in the spiritual realm right now there's multiple presents happening at once but there is only one present that has cognitive and physical aspects to go with it

Haze where did that quote come from?

Ishar didn't alter the magic system, the swearing of oaths was built on top of original surgebinding to create the surgebinding we have today(only difference so far is shardplate, shardblade, and more effecient stormlight usage), now if ishar just used that to reel the surgebinding into an organization, or if he somehow with honor's permission altered the developing magic system I don't know.

Gems probably cracked in Jasnah's soulcasting scene because she transferred the stormlight from the gem to the stone. (Maybe)

And the bond shapes the power on Roshar, depending on which spren you bond you get access to different surges

I just want to say that the emotional fabrial bracelet tells the user how someone else if feeling. The 10 different fabrials are each configured to one emotion so the bracelet can show if someone is feeling multiple emotions.

I'm ready to revamp my theory. Bonds are the focused of all Rosharan(the system not the planet) magic systems. The Nahel Bond for Surgebinding, the Spren-Lifeform Symbosis with the fused, the Nahel Bond for voidbinding(Renarin), and another Symbosis with bacteria on Ashyn. The Nahel Bond was magical before Honor, Odium, and Cultivation appeared in the system, we don't know what exact powers the Nahel Bond gave pre-shardaic settling, as sapient spren, besides mega and god spren, didn't exist pre-settling. But we do know that it was possible for a lesser spren to form a Nahel bond.* Magic Systems formed by Shards' investiture follow two rules, the first rule is that a magic system has to have a focus on the planet, the second rule is that accessing the power must follow the shard's intent. Accessing the power somehow changes the focus of that power, metal is burned in Allomancy, a command is given** in Awakening, and metal becomes more invested in Hemalurgy. In Surgebinding the focus is the Nahel Bond and the method to access power is to swear oaths. Swearing an oath artificially strengths the nahel bond between a spren and whom ever the spren is bonded to. Usually a focus for a magic system is not magical but in this case the focus is magical. This permanently changes how the nahel bond works on Roshar. Instead of forming a nahel bond and gaining powers, recipients of the nahel bond are encouraged to swear more oaths as the forming of a Nahel Bond is now the first step in gaining powers in Surgebinding. The Nahel Bond pre Honor and Cultivation granted powers without the need to swear oaths, after Honor and Cultivation settled on Roshar the Nahel bond was used as a focus for the developing magic system, because the Nahel Bond is inherently magical, the Nahel Bond was affected by this development, so that now any Rosharan Nahel Bond will lead to swearing oaths to strengthen the Nahel Bond. Thus swearing oaths is necessary to progress in surgebinding: using the surges, increased stormlight efficiency, the formation of shardblade and shardplate, and any other abilities that are either unknown or unconfirmed. * **Originally is was, "color is removed in awakening," but it was pointed out that color is not the focus in awakening.

Spren are sentient investiture, and the oaths have to match what the spren are already attracted. And there is another WoB on the creation of sapient spren, where Brandon says that sapient/radiant spren were both naturally occurring and created. Also I plan to change my theory later today, so instead of saying that surgebinding and oathswearing are different magic systems that the Nahel bond and oathswearing are two different magic systems, and surgebinding is a mix. This is getting to complicated, but why is it that only Rosharan Nahel Bonds require swearing oaths or even the ability to increase the Nahel bond's strength artificially without some shardaic intervention?

I know of that post, and when referring to surgebinding, he usually refers to the knights radiant, so Oathswearing could count as part of surgebinding, I will make a more detail post later. This post was more of to say that not all nahel bonds lead to swearing oaths, and that swearing oaths isn't a core part of the nahel bond.

I don't think Ishar changed Surgebinding, I think that Oathswearing is it's own magic system, that's only ability is to make surgebinding more powerful. I don't know if it was Ishar's idea, or he just helped shaped it after it began to form naturally.

Oathswearing and Surgebinding are two different magic systems that interact together. The Nahel Bond is an natural occurrence that can happen when a physical entity interacts with a cognitive entity. We know this because we have multiple WoBs that nahel bonds/nahel-like bonds can manifest with other cognitive entities. So Nahel Bonds are naturally occurring things that can happen throughout the Cosmere no matter what shard is present in that area. While the swearing of oaths aren't found outside of Roshar. We also know that the bond between a seon and a Elantrian, won't grant access to a shardblade or a shardblade-like item, even if it is theoretically possible. But spren can't naturally form Shardbladed until at least around three oaths are sworn.(All orders we have seen form one at oath three, but Brandon says not all orders do that.) The only differences between the bond between spren and radiant and seon and elantrian, is that the radiant swears oaths, while the elantrian doesn't. The fact that the both types of bonds are the same and that seon could become shardblades if they had something to pull them into the physical realm makes me to believe there is another magic system at work here. Oathswearing, I believe, is the mechanism that allows a spren to be pulled into the physical realm. I believe that by swearing oaths a nahel bond would be artificially strengthened to allow shardblades to be created. We know that when an oath is made the Radiant is flooded with power, and that they become more efficient with stormight, and at certain oaths other powers are granted. But why does swearing certain oaths on Roshar increase the Radiants power? Magic Systems are created by a Shard's investiture interacting with some trait on a planet, and access to that magic system has to follow the shard or shards mandate. Hemalurgy ruins a person, Allomancy preserves the person. Both Cultivation and Honor's investiture are on the planet and the designated oaths both binds and cultivates* the radiant after swearing them. Oathswearing interacted with the (sapient) spren on Roshar, which allows this magic system to both have beem naturally aroused and shaped by Ishar and the spren. Ishar then would have forced the surgebinders into the organization know as the Knights Radiants, who would use both magic systems to beat the fused. Oathswearing is a seperate *The radiant has to swear to become some ideal or follow some ideology, except for Lightweavers who have to face themselves.

It's their mandated.

Sazed has, by reducing the snapping threshold, its most liking someone well pass the snapping threshold for a misting, while not reaching the mistborn snapping threshold, meaning unless something horrible or something truly amazing happened to someone during their early childhood, no one can become a mistborn.

Perservation kept his promise, that Ruin will get the chance to destroy the world, but he then set it up so that someone could stop Ruin who wasn't in the original promise. Leras couldn't stop Ruin, but if he were to died and someone else took up the shard, then they could stop Ruin.

Nightblood is a shardblade, just not a Rosharan shardblade so not all the rules are the same. Some on on Sel could make the seons into shardblades that work the pretty much the same as Rosharan shardblades or they could use Aons to make a Selish shardblades that would work differently then a Nathisian or a Rosharan shardblade.

They will still be alive, and it aligns more to the praise of the metal or we see in Bands of Mourning, metalborn strat of as being more than a regular person, and then they are reduced to something less than a person.

What if excisors are tools to use Hemalurgy that can cut out a piece of the soul without killing someone.

Moash first blade was Odium's God metal(new magic system?) and the second blade was the windrunner's honorblade

Do you mean the Fused aren't voidbinding?

I like your idea, but where did the southern scadrialians learn hemalurgy, remember Kelsier gave them the finished project and excisors and they worked it out on their own. Unless excisors are just another word for spikes

This is what I thing what will happen when you combine the surges of each order. Adhesion+Gravity= A combination of the basic lashing and the reverse lashing, so basically a stronger reverse lashing. Gravity+Division= Able to divide objects and then send them in a different direction, so Szeth could make a smoke screen by dividing the stone beneath his feet and changing the gravity of the dust particles. Division+Abrasion= Creating Fire by increasing the friction between particles and breaking their bonds. Abrasion+Progression= I don't know Progression+Illumination= Stronger Healing. I think Renarin could use a Spiritual version of illumination and heal people straight from their spiritweb skipping the filtering of the cognitive realm. Illumination+Transformation= Solid Illusions Transformation+Transportation= Jasnah's ability to Soulcast things from a distance. Transportation+Cohesion= I don't know Cohesion+Tension= Better ability to shape substances Tension+Adhesion= A combination a Spiritual Tension and Spiritual Adhesion... So I don't know. This list doesn't include mixing different version and usages of the surges together, Ex. Regrowth and Illumination v. Progression and Illumination or Spiritual Adhesion and Spiritual Gravitation v Physical Adhesion and Spiritual Gravitation