Amethyst Scorpion

2 hours ago, Pearl Chameleon said:

4. It was indeed a reaction test, but the objective was to try and get the elims to waste an NK on me

6. Beagle and lion are likely village based on the results, and penguin and ostrich are probably less village.

8. An important line of thought is "why would an Elim make this reaction test" and the easiest answer is "cham is backpedaling" andy response to that is:

Again, if anyone wants to come forward and claim to be a proxy for a seeker who scanned me N2, go ahead, but otherwise you have no proof. Besides, if I'm e!Cham, why would I make this whole ordeal? Especially if I'm a thug, I'd rather sacrifice myself twice in order to stifle to village, and tbh the elims are already winning. Also, @Saffron Iguana, @Quartz Zebra or @Amethyst Scorpion can vouch for this (if they don't, and I flip village thug, you've found 3 elims!

4. If the objective was to get the elims to hit you, why did you just ruin that objective by outing yourself?

6. I would like reasons on all of these.

8. My answer is because either you want to draw out the real MB (presumably the one who shot Vulture) or just as cover for yourself but tbh this whole convoluted thing is probably my main reason I would v read you. 

Why in your mind is the only way you’re evil if you’re not a Thug and did indeed get scanned that makes no sense??? Like, yes I vouch that you had this plan, but that doesn’t mean I trust you.

I don’t necessarily agree that two village thugs doesn’t make sense though. If there’s a third I’d be far more suspect.

Like. On one hand I think you claiming thug openly is clearly elimmy because no optimal villager would do that but on the other I get the feeling that you aren’t playing optimally regardless of anything ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ as evidenced by your freaking self vote can you stop doing that like actually >>

also @Pearl Chameleon Beagle was asking why you shot down Falcon’s PM scheme idea D1 but were so quick to do this.

Like I have no clue who I end up on today but I can’t shake the feeling Cham will will just flip v and vulture would flip v and idk what to do I might just flip a coin

WHY does meerkat tow the twtbaw line so perfectly 

mouse come baaaaaaaaaack

Heron

Okay back to Cham

They were just so sure that Meerkat was “lock elim” going to the point of referring to that read as “outing them” and now they don’t even care anymore

Definitely reeks of desperation.

They’re voting randomly and seeing what sticks

15 minutes ago, Coral Swan said:

It's not exactly about being wrong, since I voted on Hyena as well. My thought is more that an effective team of Spiked would likely want to bring up Hyena early in the day to draw attention to them. That way the Spiked don't have to worry about getting caught with one of their members leading the vote.

I guess. But it wasn’t like I brought up Hyena out of nowhere. I’d clearly established my feelings of them from early on in the game.

Cham

Ugh who to even vote

Vulture

Still going to go over stuff today but Cham for wagonomics

1 minute ago, Coral Swan said:

I guess I'll switch my vote from Beagle to Scorpion. I do think one of the early voters on Hyena has a decent chance of being an eliminator.

Because voting wrong is somehow e!indicative? This isn’t a good point until a Hyena countertrain flips e.

2 minutes ago, Fuchsia Ostrich said:

FTR I am fairly okay with a Chameleon exe (at least pending a response from the PR proxy I am in contact with), but I do instinctually feel Vulture needs to be handled ASAP. Mouse and I have also been back and forth on their slot for at least a full cycle trying to make sense of them.

I’d be fine with that exe I suppose. I’m hoping the kill on them was a CS and not a MB but the lack of C1 kill does not support that theory. I dunno.

I’m kind of at a loss after Hyena was village and I don’t have Mouse to bounce off of so I’m lowkey fine with a point and shoot at anyone in my poe but I can’t tell if that’s my post-wisdom-teeth-sedative wearing off  

Actually nah Heron

I want to revisit them on my own rather than sheeping someone else in my poe lol

Chameleon

48 minutes ago, Pearl Chameleon said:

Check the Purple PM, way back when I sent the EoD participants. 

Again. I don't think Mouse e!read Meerkat :P.

47 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

Interesting assumption 

I mean cmon he claimed to half the player list and even if he hadn't a sudoku puzzle over a philosophical quote and some characters come from only one possible player  

I don't think there's a player in this game who didn't know Mouse's role :P.

Also, they personally told me that they were v leaning Meerkat by their death, so Cham's information is outdated / flat out wrong.

1 hour ago, Mint Heron said:

I never said mouse isn't the elim kill my goodness. I'm not saying I believe it was a WGG. I feel like the fact that I brought up the possibility that an elim mistborn did a WGG should not be receiving anywhere near as much backlash. That has nothing to do with the fact that Mouse was the elim kill if the WGG was done through other means. 

Of course it's likely that it wasn't a WGG, but I really don't like that your are so adamantly against even the possibility of it.

Misunderstanding of what you meant I guess.

So your strongest reason for voting me is because of the WGG stuff? That feels really off. Like really that's the most suspicious thing you can find from anyone during the entire game? Like I don't mind people voting me, it's part of the game. But what is sightly annoying is when the reasoning would not normally be used to vote on someone. 

Like I'm very confused why you thought I was trying to muddle the possibilities of who the elim kill was. 

Vote me if you wish, but I implore you to look deeper and if you're going to vote me have a better reason and frankly something that is actually alignment indicative. 

You’re mischaracterizing my post, intentionally or no.

I will say I thought you meant that it was a WGG with the elim kill. Did you say e MB in your original post? Probably. But still, I’m not someone who likes to consider possibilities that might have happened just for the heck of it. Or, rather, I love to do that as elim— it’s my number one tactic. Which is why this pinged me.

I never said it was the strongest. I said that me not liking your reads might be my weakest. Because I think reads by themselves are subjective and if I disagree with your reads that doesn’t make you evil.

I’ll explain more regarding what I meant about the actual reads lists themselves later.

Edit: Yeah, you didn’t mention you meant MB. So you can see why I interpreted that the way I did.

I agree that looking at all possibilities is a good thing. I disagree that it’s possible that Mouse was anything but the elim kill. That’s what I don’t like from you. You’re taking something that’s straightforward and unnecessarily convoluting it.

That’s not what I meant. Interesting to me that you took it that way.

That’s funny, I think it’s my worse reason  

Just now, Mint Heron said:

How does noting the possiblity of a WGG (which is not out of the ordinary to state) me trying to make the kills ambiguous? 

Do you mind sharing these other things? Do they exist?

Because it’s pretty clear that Mouse was the elim kill, making vulture something else, which is potentially useful information. You bringing up outside edge cases is e!indicative to me because it’s muddling that possibility.

Yeah, later. When I have the time. They exist, I’m not a liar :P. Not this game at least.

But I’m getting my wisdom teeth out tomorrow so we’ll see if it’s before rollovet >> ideally so. But essentially it’s the kinds of reads lists you’ve posted (one being obviously against the grain whilst that was popular, another appeasing thread consensus) along with what are (imo) some bad takes. I’ll specify when I can.

4 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:

Elim doc NK discussions are a good reminder of what time it is! 

Again, all it indicates to me is that Swan isn’t paying attention :P. I don’t really think that e!them is in the elim doc all that much if they’re not in the thread enough to even know what the turn is.

Heron

Swan night voting isn’t villagery. All it indicates is that they’re not paying attention. Beagle is literally the last person I would kill right now.

I don’t like Heron trying to make the kills ambiguous. Plus other things.

>>

<<

This is fine

1 minute ago, Quartz Zebra said:

The IKYK appears to have failed. 

I'm surprised they took that shot! We appear to have a shooter and a slightly used Thug in our midst! 

Heron

Why assume thug as opposed to Lurcher?

Why is this game two groups of like four players voting each other lol

Anyway that’s all from me, I have to go till past rollover so I’ll be back next turn

48 minutes ago, Mint Heron said:

What about the Hyena train made more sense than the scorp and iguana wagons?

I'm struggling to see why a villager would ever say this. 

Because it actually had reasoning. I cased Hyena, Beagle cased Hyena, and there were ample wagonomics reasons for the train. Iguana and I had either gut votes or simply naked ones.

Because they're trying to see how committed a historically noncommittal player is to their reads, I would think.

Just now, Saffron Iguana said:

i mean, sure yeah, but why would they not also utilize pms which are a bit more reactive and... er. notification-y.

They could. I've done so in the past. But usually it's not something that happens.

Surely Meerkat is too pure to be elim here, though >>

Boooo

I guess the nine vote train was our indication there but I actually felt good about that read for once >>

But we did need to clear their slot and they did not do anything to help themselves so I can’t feel too bad about it.

Certainly elims are among the later Hyena votes. I reeeeeally want to flip the countertrains here, not just Meerkat as I’m leaning more TWTBAW on them as of late.

7 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

i dont really think they were in danger to begin with.

With manip ya never know

i feel like the meerkat wagon vanishing is indicative of v them if anything but at the same time I really hate that conclusion 

I like the Kanga vote only because it puts Iguana out of danger

19 minutes ago, Mint Heron said:

Can someone explain to me the Hyena votes? It seems like there's a train there and likely at least one Elim who hopped on later.

See my detail spoiler box from this post.

Also wagonomics yeah 

3 hours ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

yes. i dont have a top three, i have a top two as of right now: Mouse and Iguana. rhino is mostly a gut feeling.

Does village reading Vulture not by default grant them that third position?

12 minutes ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

partly, yes. but those were my actual thoughts, and the test was to see how vulture would react to an entitled me. 

Hi can you finally answer my questions from the first post of this page?