Amethyst Scorpion

I’ve talked myself into v!Flamingo, I think. Meaning I need to examine the Flam push at some point.

5 hours ago, Magenta Albatross said:

I'm not sure I'm understanding what this is saying?

I hear this has been cleared up but I’ll explain for the benefit of everyone else.

Cham opened this turn with saying “No Coinshot”, “Lots of vote manip”, “Things are looking lopsided”, and “Rip Falcon”.

There’s no evidence there’s no Coinshot. Multiple other things could have happened. There was only one vote manipped, and even though a lot of manip isn’t inherently bad Cham is framing it like it is. And I don’t even know where Cham is saying things are looking lopsided from a single misexe comes from.

And then the rip Falcon feels like an afterthought that’s hollow and obligatory. 

1 hour ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

the reason is because im too lazy to assign reads to everyone right now. just because they went from elim to village doesnt mean for me that they are immediately top three. my system is different, yes, but its also somewhat simpler.

Okay. But surely you understand why it looks like you put Vulture in your top three. I mean, you put “most everyone else” into null, so who is your top three? If you know your top three why not just put them all in the village tier?

Also, why do you elim read Rhino? You never clarified that.

3 hours ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

look, do you want me to or something? why you coming after me, man? i dont understand.

Because I think you’re suspicious and think those questions deserve answers  Neither of which I’ve received, by the way.

mobile quoting isn’t working so I’m posting and a merge reply to ele is incoming 

18 minutes ago, Sapphire Elephant said:

Scorpion is subtly defensive through much of D1, which I don't like. They're the 3rd person to jump on the Dragonfly train, upgrading it to something more serious, which is suspicious, especially given the scattered vote distribution D1. Their D1 vote on Hyena is also weird -- voting someone for voting on a gut read is "in poor form" itself, I think.

(I might take my vote off them later, but I don't like the Hyena train, so.)

Interesting how polarizing my slot has become. It’s quite refreshing tbh

I don’t know what you think I was defensive about, because literally no one posted anything except a top tier village read on me the entire turn (except for Dragonfly, but I didn’t see that till N1). As for me upgrading them, I don’t think that’s a fair point without knowledge of other trains (aka if the trains were all village it’s meaningless) so that comment looks like tmi from my pov. 

Again. I don’t think gut reads are poor form. My entire point on Hyena was that I don’t think that was their original motive. Go read my Hyena case if you’re still confused.

Do you village read Hyena?

2 hours ago, Coral Swan said:

Something about this reaction makes me think you are village. Maybe because a Spiked wouldn’t react quite so strongly?

Speaking from experience, this is false :p.

1 hour ago, Salmon Meerkat said:

ah, yes. that makes sense, thank you. you have allayed my first suspicions. Vulture

ok, lemme give a quick thing: 

Village: Iguana, mouse. vulture

Null: most everyone else

Spiked: rhino

 

Vulture, i was just testing you a bit. im gonna say you passed.

You don't think that thing makes them elim, therefore they jump to your top three villagers?

That thing about you testing them is the fakest thing I’ve ever heard haha

Pls CS Meerkat if you exist

1 hour ago, Pearl Chameleon said:

will be trying to post less, since posting too much has appeared to have confused others.

AKA people are elim reading you now?  

Edit: Also @Salmon Meerkat what are your reasons for Rhino being evil? If you’ve said them already just link that post. And why aren’t you voting them if you think they’re evil?

21 minutes ago, Mint Heron said:

Scorpion: Elim

1. Votes Mouse because they don’t like their vote (meerkat). Agrees with lion, less so with rhino.

2. Changes vote to rhino as they “realized they don’t actually agree with Lion anymore”. Claims they will unvote in the morning. (This feels either really elimy, or like someone who got pocketed by an elim who defended mouse).

3. Claims that beagle is surely vil for saying elims are cowards if they nk him. (Sigh) vil read on lion, feels good about penguin. Votes Hyena for voting based on memery.

4. Defends vote.

5. Thinks beagle is village. 

6. Mostly agrees with Chameleons reads list. (To me this feels slightly elim to not just post your reads, even if they are similar or the same. Idk)

7. Talkity talkity talk

1. -
2. Rethinking is elimmy? My first read of the thread was quick and dirty, and my thought process was as simple as me seeing Lion’s vote and assuming they voted for the same reason as me. When relooked through things I both changed my mind about Lion and Mouse.
3. Do you disagree re:Beagle? Because I can’t even tell why you e!read Beagle from your post. I think their solving and thoughts have been very reasonable and very village.
4. -
5. -
6. Huh? xD I made a reads list soon after. That wasn’t meant to be a dodge of work. It was a post I made on mobile after nodding my head to what I saw from Cham.
7. -

38 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

Agree with this, except, uh... Tyrian Falls has gone a long way but not quite to having Leechers yet.

Don't read the rules, I said. It's Tyrian, I said. You've played Tyrian so many times, I said.

>>

1 hour ago, Pearl Chameleon said:

Ughhhh no Coinshot whhhyyyyy

There better be either a whole load of mistborn, or a seeker.

Let's not jump to conclusions. Perhaps they abstained from killing out of caution or fear of revealing themselves. Perhaps they are inactive. Perhaps they were roleblocked. There are many explanations.

1 hour ago, Quartz Zebra said:

Ostrich dumped their readlist in a PM with me at EOD, despite having me as a null read! I contend that they were trying to recreate the (pocketing) effect they had on Mouse when they did it D1!

You're thinking of Flamingo. It's a group PM with me (and Dragonfly) also in it, so I wouldn't ascribe an e!read to that for you specifically.

My take on the kill is that the elims picked someone who was consensus v and unlikely to be protected, relatively speaking. I don't think we need to overthink their strategy. Most of the time elim kills don't have that much strategy to begin with.

Hyena

I'm legitimately tempted to vote Chameleon purely because they opened with three FUD falsehoods and a performative statement, but nah.

Edit:

Just now, Quartz Zebra said:

My theory is a coinshot shooting Falcon at the same time they are NKed simply results in the writeup we received! 

It's a shame there's no way of finding out how that situation would be represented. 

Traditionally we'd also see coins flying through the mist in the writeup, which we don't here. Plus, in AG8 when Octo was double-tapped, it was mentioned in the tags, of which there are none here.

Agree that shooting Penguin is a bad idea. Hyena would be a nice slot to have cleared for me personally.

Also. Formally requesting protection from the NK. Lurcher, ignore me if you want.

Let the IKYKs begin.

7 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:

I don't trust people who tell me to trust them, so my gut read is evil then! We should all kill Saffron and their unnamed cat!

fwiw I do think you’ve misidentified iguana based only on the last few posts

5 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:

 I love the Dragon character! But I disagree with Scorpion’s village read of the above quote!

Did I village read that? Well I certainly don't anymore :P.

5 minutes ago, Quartz Zebra said:

Scorpion gets an effort clear from me at this juncture! Being reads-focused is a good look! I’m monitoring something about them, but I’ll bring that up if it becomes relevant later!

Thoughts on Iguana? 

Welcome back, and glad your situation worked out!

31 minutes ago, Amber Vulture said:

@Amethyst Scorpion

[OOC: Sorry, but I only saw one ping from you, and it was asking about my opinions on Dragonfly's last post. I assumed you were asking if I would have changed my vote after seeing that post, but I am thinking that I probably misunderstood you. Can you clarify what you are specifically intetested in? Again, sorry for the mix-up.]

Yeah, that's the ping I was talking about, sorry. I guess you sort of answered it in your previous post but not really what I was getting at.

Basically, I noticed that the post you made after Dragonfly's reads list was pretty detailed, but neglected to mention anything about Dragonfly themselves, which I found odd given you were voting them in a close exe race. I'd have expected you to at least comment on how it didn't sway you if you were at all invested in voting them. Additionally, I think it's pretty widely agreed that that post in particular was obv vil, but I super hesitate to actually use that against you because obviously you don't have to agree with thread consensus.

So I'm not asking if you would have changed your vote, I'm asking why you didn't, I guess.

25 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

Sigh. I've kinda reckoned that a lot of my readslist is kind of just... low posters in the null/negative area which is frustratingly annoying. All of the above, if you could also give GtH reads on the others pinged, please do so ^^, and offer your reasoning why. Ciao.

Speaking of reads lists. Could I see yours? You've done a lot of asking a lot of questions and not as much of directly saying things you think.

@Amber Vulture can you respond to my earlier ping instead of ignoring it completely 

Things I noted from rereading D1:

• Heron's only posts of substance were to defend Hyena after I initially voted them, and to discredit my v!Beagle read (which I definitely still stand by).
  • Hyena's opening itself felt more village to me on this pass, though I still don't like their subsequent posts. Possible e/e connection with Heron.
• Elephant trying to get out of a bad voting by claiming there was nothing of substance on page 3 stands out.
• Dragonfly was obviously village from even their first post, gah. Retrospect goes crazy.
• Meerkat's tone is very odd. They're far too concerned with their own survival for my liking. If they're a new player I don't really suspect them for this, but there isn't really a way to know that stays in the spirit of this game. But they're on my shot list.
• I like Kangaroo's reads. They seem genuine and polarizing enough to warrant a light v read.
• If Beagle is evil I'm actually quitting SE
• @Amber Vulture what did you think of Dragonfly's big reads list post at the time?
• As a general rule I like Flamingo's posting. But in the case of e!Hyena I think their late switch to Penguin is e indicative, and works better as an e/e pair than Ostrich/Penguin imo

More detail on Hyena:

New Reads List:

• Transcendent: Scorpion
• Village Read: Beagle, Mouse, Swan, Falcon
• Village Lean: Chameleon, Iguana, Penguin, Rhino, Lion
• Null: Kangaroo (+), Tuatara (+), Albatross (+), Dingo (+), [Croc, Ostrich, Zebra, Flamingo], Meerkat (-)
• Elim ish: Elephant, Heron
• Elimmy: Hyena

Edit: Am working under the world of e!Hyena -> e!Heron/e!Flamingo, in case that wasn't clear.

...So there's no riot. Okay, sure.

While I agree that the Ostrich-Penguin connection is prominent, I think it's too convenient and I buy Ostrich's explanation post from this turn. Not to mention I still vibe read Penguin as village. I disagree with Hyena being TWTBAW but that's all personal opinion I suppose.

My top three coinshots would be Hyena, Meerkat, and Elephant, though any of the inactives would do fine. Don't shoot Lion though.

I'll respond to PMs and then backread. See if I can uncover anything.

Ugh. That was so predictable after their EoD. Was Vulture around for that? This immediately makes Ostrich looks worse, imo.

Lots I plan to unpack. But later.

1 hour ago, Pearl Chameleon said:

Would you say Ivory Dragonfly fits the e!lurker description or the v!lurker description?

Look at my reads list 

Will be afk for the rest of the turn and am fine with my vote 

31 minutes ago, Chartreuse Penguin said:

I picked Weasel specifically, and hadn’t seen a reason to move. They logged on early (presumably) to view their role, but didn’t post for a while, even while having a unique CR that most others jumped to do. Maybe that’s faulty reasoning on my part (and maybe it applies to me a bit) but it is a reason. And nothing Weasel’s done has particularly shaken it.

If anything I'd call that a reason to lean village. Lurkers can be evil, but only in some cases. I attribute e!lurkers to people who have at least some presence, or are at least trying to have a presence, whereas v!lurkers just don't care. In Weasel I see much more of the latter.

17 minutes ago, Opal Lion said:

Looks like they haven't been able to find a PHer so if anyone wants to just kill me today so that you don't really lose players you can

There are other options. I am certainly willing to accept you in this game-- that never changed. I'm confident that's a unanimous opinion even if tone is very difficult to parse, especially in these circumstances.

At the very least, I don't want to kill anyone for those reasons. This exe might not be as ticking of a time bomb as the recent BT, but I don't intend to use it in a way that doesn't really move the game forward.

Just now, Salmon Meerkat said:

Sal perked up. I presume you are loyal as well? what news do you bring?

Is this a serious village read or just RP flavour?

Tiers are roughly ordered:

• Transcendent: Scorpion
• Village Lean: Beagle, Falcon, Mouse
• Village Light: Chameleon, Vulture, Swan, Rhino, Iguana
• Null: Penguin (+), Lion (+), Dingo (+), [Everyone else], Elephant (-), Kangaroo (-), Meerkat (-)
• Elim ish: Dragonfly, Hyena

Sort of a basic reads list in the sense that it's pretty much thread consensus but that's what I vibe right now. It's also mildly activity based but that's where we are D1 /shrug

Dragonfly, Hyena

9 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

oh wow, cool

whys your gut say im evil?

Same reason I already explained :P.

13 minutes ago, Saffron Iguana said:

Can more people talk about me i wanna be the main character for a moment

edit: its annoying not having ppl reading me when im a top poster lol

My gut says you’re evil but you’re probably not based on my past experience with reading slots like yours. Either way it’s most productive for me to more or less ignore you for at least this turn :P. It’s definitely not productive to kill you today, at least.

10 hours ago, Saffron Iguana said:

Eh, your reasoning for voting me was different from Falcons sus on me though, no? But regardless noted, I'll let you cook from afar then. Can I get your take on the Falcon slot then? And Flamigo? Is there any slot you feel I'm overlooking?

Falcon I’d call village, and I don’t remember a single thing Flamingo posted.

Dragonfly

1 hour ago, Saffron Iguana said:

eh? i dont think this is correct at all and i resent this push on me. youll note that i found *other* memers towny but not the one im currently voting :P. any other reasons to suspect me or just something that can be easily disaproved?

It’s correct in the same sense that Falcon pointed out a couple of times. You’re encouraging useful discussion so I doubt my vote will be permanent but I’m not moving it at the moment.

Noting continuity issues regarding Saffron Iguana— they mention an overall village feel of the memers yet vote them anyway. Worth poking here.

29 minutes ago, Charcoal Hyena said:

While I can agree that it was poor form going with gut reads the only ones who stood out to me were Falcon and Mouse as negative gut reads - and the only reason I can think of for that was that they both were using memes to communicate.

Three times I think gets the point across?  

I like gut reads, so I disagree with that being what was bad. I suppose I can respect a legit gut read but my initial impression was that you were voting entirely playstyle based.