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Intent as intention not Shardic intent in this case. What they meant when saying those words, when setting up terms - this matters. They've already rejected those terms that went against Shardic intent. Yes. Vessel's intent? That's not a thing. Vessel's goals and perspective is what you're talking about. What matters is Shardic intent and Vessel's interpretation. Shardic intent is constant, Vessels can change and have different goals and interpretation. The terms are still binding however, even if they are against Vessel's goals. However Taravangian's new perspective can give him different interpretations on those terms, thus finding a loophole, but it's not like he purposely misinterprets those terms - he just sees them in a different light. RoW ch 116: Not Rayse, Odium as the whole. RoW ch 115: What I meant is that the terms were established based on what Dalinar and Odium meant by saying those words. And what they've meant was said a page or two earlier. Sure it can be misinterpreted but it can't be changed because it's already done and set in stone.

I would say anyone in Cosmere can burn it because it's Lerasium, but it would only make you a Sand Master (in general grant you connection to the Shard of non-Lerasium component). Just like the WoB said: "rewrite your "spiritual DNA" with atium's power." You won't get Mistborn powers from a god metal alloy of Lerasium. Well, we've most likely seen Hemalurgy being used on Roshar, by Ghostbloods, but still on Roshar. There is also a Hemalurgist on Roshar, on pages somewhere before RoW. RoW I-5:

True, but you still need to remove spren's connection to Roshar. That is not easy. Ghostbloods know this. I like your interpretation. Yes, it seems that Mraize refers to "avoiding insanity" but I bet he's hiding a different motive from Shallan - finding out where BAM is. RoW ch 82: They already know what to do to bring Stormlight offworld, and very likely the same can be done to Thaidakar with the same method. However their main goal isn't to free Kelsier from Scadrial, but to move Stormlight out of Roshar. They can't do that because they can't manipulate connections. BAM can do that, that's why they are so interested in her, they want to get her and who's better to question than the man who was there when Mishram was imprisoned? RoW ch 13: RoW ch 94: RoW ch 114: Learning how to avoid Heralds’ fade is just a secondary mission, the true one, hidden from Shallan, was to find Mishram and that's why they needed Kalak and Kalak only. Because he was there and he knew more than other Heralds.

Good theory, makes sense. Ishar said "Everyone sees a little more clearly when a Radiant touches the Spiritual Realm" and there is ONE Radiant who constantly touches SR - Renarin. All three of them were somewhat close to Renarin location wise and this might act just like with Odium's future sight - sending ripples through SR and disrupting Nale's sensing ability. We don't know when Renarin bonded Glys but we know that this kind of bond can take years to develop, like between Syl and Kaladin. She was with him all those years ago, slowly forming the bond, the same might be true with Renarin. SA 5 prologue: Mraize's letter to Shallan contradicts this and Shallan killed her mother more or less at the same time, so he already had to be working on killing Surgebinders before. RoW ch 77:

This, granting connection to a Shard, seems to be unique to Lerasium only. Burning Atium as far as we know only grants extensive future sight and doesn't modify the spirit web of the user. Lerasium is the only one that does it (as far as we know), it rewrites your spirit web and gives you a strong connection to Preservation - mixing Lerasium with other god metals allows you to get their invested arts - like Lerasium-Bavadinium alloy makes you a Sand Master. Lerasium-Raysium alloy would probably grant you Odium's powers - not Fused Surgebinding, more like Voidbinding (in my opinion Fused are corrupted Singers using Honor/Cultivation Surgebinding powers). There is a Dor god metal: Sliverism is a thing - religion that most likely worships Rashek and reveres Marsh. Yomens worship it. This religion seems like a direct continuation of the Final Empire's religion. In BoM Rashek was mentioned many times and while it ultimately was Kelsier as the Sovereign, I don't think Rashek is fully in the past. There are still many unanswered questions, like who Lutha was, why Rashek tried to end the Final Empire at one point, what his descendants are doing etc. Sure, many of them are little pieces of lore, but Brandon did write a story set up in the early years of the Final Empire that was meant to be a game plot. The game didn't happen and he might use this story in a different way. Brandon isn't done with the Final Empire and Rashek. And I love Rashek too, I want more of him. It makes sense. WoBs generally agree that Feruchemy is a mix of Preservation and Ruin, but there are some where Brandon places it more with Preservation and suggest that it can be granted through Preservation's fragment in people's soul in some way. It's hard to say for sure what you have to use to get Feruchemy. It's a vague answer, already explained well by @Treamayne. I personally more inclined to believe that by "anyone" Brandon means any Allomancer, because of the WoB about the Mistborn movie: "one big change I wished I'd made from the start of Mistborn is making atium usable by all Allomancers." Lerasium is an odd one, rewriting the spirit web is only its side effect and Preservation admires anyone who wants to be preserved, who wants to brace their soul - that's precisely what Lerasium does. This strengthening of a soul makes you an Allomancer in consequence. This aligns very well with Preservation's intent and that's why Lerasium can be used by anyone in Cosmere. There might be other god metals like that, Edglium is a strong candidate because of the nature of Breaths and Endowment, but I believe all other remaining god metals can be burnt only by Alloamancers. Alloys of god metals are different - Shardblades are alloys (and are alive which makes them no longer count as metals, that's why you can't burn them - WoB below), Atium-electrum alloy is burnable only by electrum Mistings and Mistborns. But pure forms of god metals can be burnt only by Allomancers with a few exceptions. For me this makes the most sense but we need more information to know for sure. For now it's just my headcanon. Feel free to disagree. That's probably not how this works. And Hoid has strong connection to all Shards because he knew their Vessels and he killed a god with them. He's really good at hacking magic systems. Hoid really isn't a good example.

What makes you think he didn't know it? What's the benefit of him spreading this information out? He knew it, he knew a lot of things that he kept secret just for himself. He kept information about metals like electrum or Malarium hidden and only inscribed them on storage caves metal plates. It's very likely that it was beyond Scadrial's current technology to actually purify and get pure Atium out of the one appearing in the Pits, based on the properties of god metals revealed in TLM. For others, WoBs about the retcon: I think this is precisely the reason why Rashek didn't want to reveal this information at all. Elend was able to see Preservation's plan and his place in it, some random Skaa might have been able to use pure Atium to dethrone Rashek. Rashek suppressed technology, gunpowder, Feruchemy and Allomancy among Skaa for a reason - to keep him in power and to keep the masses under his tyranny. We don't know it. We don't know how Kelsier did that. He probably just used the Atium-electrum alloy and took silver out of it. Or maybe there were some other ways. It's highly unlikely he had access to pure Atium. Experimenting with god metals is a very expensive process. Only a sliver of the population had even seen Atium. Knowing that the Lord Ruler suppresses the advancement of technology is a good reason not to experiment with Atium, otherwise you’re gonna end up being a subject of Inquisitors experiments yourself. It's possible. You can use Scadrian god metals to grant Feruchemy, but I find it not likely to be just Atium, because Feruchemy is both of Preservation and Ruin. I argue that we don't know if anyone anyone can burn god metals. We know that Lerasium granting Allomancy is just a side effect and a Mistborn burning Lerasium would do something else with it. There are some hints in WoBs that anyone might actually refer only to Allomancers - like in a WoB about future Mistborn movie, where Brandon is planning to make use of Pure Atium burnable by any Allomancer - Mistborn and Misting included. There are also some WoBs which talk about needing a connection to this type of investiture, which would mean only Scadrians can burn Atium and Lerasium. What I want to say is we need more data on that and clarification from Brandon. He might actually mean anyone in Cosmere, or something different - we don't know. Maybe it's not that effective? What if it's something like A-aluminum? Not every power has to be useful. Or that required him to get more invested in the system which he tried to avoid really hard. Even now Raysium is really rare and if its effect is not that impressive or helpful then why waste it if they can make Stormlight sucking weapons out of it and kill some Radiants? It takes around 300 years for Atium to return to the Pits, burning Raysium might mean that you lose it all for hundreds of years and all Desolations that will take place in that time. Hemalurgy is usable by anyone in Cosmere with just base metals and we don't see Fused flying around and spiking connections out of Radiants, which is a very quick and effective way of defeating them. Why? I don't know, maybe other Shards simply don't want their subjects to use the invested arts of other Shards, or maybe they don't want to give them tools that can't be controlled. Honor can simply place other restraints on Surges if Radiants are getting out of the line, but he can't do anything about them using Hemalurgy. It's probably a more complicated issue than we like to think. And I disagree that god metals can be used Feruchemically by anyone. Koravellium, unofficially. The only form of pure god metal of Honor or Cultivation we've ever seen on Roshar are Honorblade. And they probably aren't burnable in their current form. I think that there are already a lot of godly powers present on Roshar, even 2 Dawnshards are probably there, and giving people even more powers seems like a bad idea after they've destroyed Ashyn. Knowledge. On Scadrial it's been easy to know to burn metals since Rashek Ascended. Only since he Ascended, before that there were no Allomancer and nobody knew they could burn metals, even if they were snapped by Mists like Alendi. After Rashak Ascended people see a new metal and ask themselves "can I burn it?" No other place in Cosmere is that heavily focused on metals, nobody would know metals can be burned to gain powers, nobody would ever try to burn a piece of a god metal. Only Shards can tell them that and they aren't that likely to do that - on Nalthis Awakening was only recently discovered, on Sel Dominion and Devotion didn't really care about humans before they were Splintered etc. Plus god metals are really rare and hard to find. How do you know he didn't? Hoid is special, he isn't a good example. Why hasn't Wax tried burning Trellium? No idea. Maybe for the same reason Set has never tried this? Or maybe they can't for some reason? No idea, but that's a good question. We'll probably know more about god metals from Mistborn Era 3. Overall those are valid points but I wanted to point out that we clearly know too little to know for sure what's going on with god metals.

We don't know. We've seen his acolytes in Edgedancer novella searching for a Surgebinder there using documents and witness testimonies, but Nale already knew a Surgebinder was there and knew who it was - somehow. We've also seen him taking a testimony from a captain about Lift, but that's probably a secondary step, once he knows where to search in general. He knew there was a Surgebinder in the Davar family, he knew there was a Surgebinder in Amaram's army (Tien) and stuff like that. We don't know how at all. Mraize suggested that Nale, as a Herald, might have possessed knowledge that others can't have. It might be some kind of fabrial, or it might be some kind of use of Fortune, "telling" him more or less where and when to be, but he still needs to search for that person - something like what Hoid is using. But those are just wild guesses. OB ch 40:

None except for Skybreakers. Only Skybreakers didn't participate in the Recreance and only this order existed after it, and kept bonding spren. There were no other Radiants appearing. Some time before the True Desolation started, spren started to feel it's coming and some decided to bond humans again. We're probably talking about several years or decades before WoK. But all of those were hunted down and killed by Nale and other Skybreakers, or they've decided to join Skybreakers instead. Keep in mind that after the Recreance spren were furious and terrified of humans. They couldn’t forgive them for killing so many of them, entire nations were wiped out (all Honorspren except for Syl were killed) and they were unwilling to trust humans again with their lives. Only something like a threat of a new Desolation convinced a few of them to bond, even if they knew humans will kill them eventually - that was the case with Testament and Pattern. The first Radiant to survive all of this was Shallan, who bonded the Testament years ago and she was nearly killed by a Skybreaker acolyte. The second one was Jasnah, who started to develop her bond around the time of Gavilar's assassination. Then we have Tien, Kaladin, Renarin Lift and Dalinar, others following after them, and others who didn't make it because of Nale - like Ym. But all of those new Radiants appeared shortly before or after WoK, not earlier. It's possible that Szeth also was bonded, because in OB he mentioned that he used to hear a voice like Nightblood, which sounded like a spren to me. It makes sense because he had to know from somewhere that a new Desolation is coming and there is no better source than a spren feeling it. This bond was likely broken by Bondsmith Honorblade and spren might even get imprisoned in a gemstone. But this part about Szeth is all speculation based on one vague sentence. OB ch 40: I would say he was very successful because there is no mention or appearance of Surgebinders anywhere. He might have a way of telling where are the people close to forming a bond with a spren. We don't have a random Radiant coming out of the closet with the 5th Ideal already sworn because they've been bonded for 50 years or something like that. All of this is very new for both people and spren and Jasnah is the most experienced and advanced in her Oaths. Then it's better to say either a Full Knight or a Radiant of the 3rd Ideal. I believe Shallan was of the 4th Ideal with Testament when she broke her bond. Jasnah seems to swear it in between OB and RoW.

Vasher did that. Warbreaker ch 56: Adding to that, because my reading skills are so great that I've just notice that, Nightblood indeed was made out of steel, but at this point he can be considered as Endowment's god metal - he is basically investiture:

Everyone can use Breaths if Breaths are given to them. Breaths are tied to the identity of people, they are a gift that everyone can receive. And everyone with Breaths can Awaken. You don't need any Nicrosilmind or anything like that to give Breaths to someone from Scadrian. But theoretically speaking, an unkeyed/unsealed Nicrosilmind with Breaths would have those Breaths inside also unkeyed and that would work like when Awakening with blanked Identity, which means that everyone can take them and use them. And if you are concerned if for example a Rosharan can use medallions with Preservation's investiture in them, then yes. This doesn't matter - medallions just grant powers to whomever is wearing them, they already overcome this issue of identity and connection. The opposite is true as well, a Scadrian can use Honorblades or bond a spren, a Rosharan can burn Lerasium and become a Mistborn, thus drawing power from Preservation when burning metals. Hoid is doing just that, collecting different powers from different worlds. Some magics are easier to obtain than others, like Awakening. Others require you to convince a sentient spren to bond you - that's Radiants. And to get some you need to have the right genetics - Allomancy/Feruchemy and Selish magics - but you still can get those from other sources like Lerasium. If you try hard enough you can get those powers and it won't matter that you're not native or that your soul's investiture is bound to a different Shard. A Radiant who is also an Allomancer can fuel Allomancy with Stormlight for example but that might require additional steps. But on the other hand Breaths can easily fuel basically anything, from Allomancy to Surgebinding.

Yes, he was less invested back then but even then this wouldn't work. He did. He's named after this leaking smoke. Nightblood can't destroy a planet or a Shard. He gets too full too soon. Even freshly created Nightblood wouldn't be able to make a noticeable dent on a nearly infinite power of a Shard. Nightblood absorption rate grows the longer he is drawn, so it's not that you can make him "hungry" and he'll eat you faster or something like that. But this still doesn't really matter.

You know it's far easier to share Breaths via "My Breath to yours" than through an unsealed metalmind? Unkeyed Breaths don't have that much use tbf, the core idea of Awakening and Endowment is sharing. You're asking if you store something like Stormlight in unkeyed Nicrosilmind, can it be carried out of Roshar? Well Stormlight can't be stored in a Nicrosilmind for all we know, you can only store innate investiture - a part of your soul - and Stormlight isn't that. And Breaths can already be carried out of Nalthis with no problems. They are tied to your identity, but they're still Endowment's investiture. The unkeyed/unsealed matalminds blanks investiture out of YOUR identity, not Shardic's identity. The example of what you're looking for is the unkeyed Dor, the one used in TLM by Marasi and Moonlight. This is unkeyed but we don't really know what it means, it's still Dor. Presumably it's unkeyed from Shardic/planetary connections, it's a blank investiture. So yes, you can unkey investiture and carry it out of the system this way, but probably not with nicrosilminds, or at least not without some additional steps.

The progression of Ideals is a representation of the growth of the Nahel Bond between a knight and their spren. There is a hard limit for that. I would say there is a limit of how much their souls can combine and that's reached with the 5th Ideal. The 5th Ideal is called the Final Ideal for a reason. We don't know how it looked like before Radiants, but I think spren started to mimic Heralds, giving people Surgebinding powers and Shardblades with no oaths being involved - we probably see this time period with the Nohadon vision, he was talking about Surgebinders and about one of them who started a war before a Desolation, something that a person with such powers shouldn't have done that. They were more similar to Heralds, having powers with no checks. Then Ishar established Radiants, formed 10 Orders based on types of True Spren and based on those spren the 5 Ideal were established, binding Radiants to progression and self-development. This idea of swearing 5 Oaths is likely hard coded into the nature of the Nahel Bond with True Spren - even Renarin follows this path. This progression and Ideals are fixed. What's greater than "I'm the law?" The Skybreaker's Ideal starts with "I don't trust my own judgment, I will seek something external to follow" and ends with "I will trust my own judgment and I will dictate the law." The 5th Ideal Skybreaker doesn't even have to follow the 3rd Ideal anymore. If they realize that the law they have been dictating all those years is wrong, they can always change and establish new, better laws - Nale literally did that. He went from trying to prevent the Desolation from coming to joining Odium because Singers have the right to rule Roshar. A complete 180. In the same way Windrunners seem to follow a path starting with "I will protect all" to "I can't protect all" (4th Ideal). There is a clear progression here, accepting brutal truths and this progression has to end somewhere. Just like Skybreakers will dictate the law, maybe Windrunners will dictate whom to protect - something that Kaladin asks Syl often: "is it right to kill to protect" or "do I protect only humans or Parshendi too" etc. There is a followup to Kaladin's path and it will end the Windrunner's progression. Thousands of years of torture and layers of PTSD upon layers of PTSD stacked on top of their nature of CS? The fact that Ideals are pre-established doesn't mean they are right all the time and give Radiants "moral" high ground. Recreance is the proof of this. Ancient Radiants, faced with the brutal reality of them being responsible for lobotomization of the entire sentient species, stacked on top of their fears that they will destroy Roshar just like humans destroyed Ashyn, didn't swear a 6th Ideal, they've broken their Oaths instead. They've realized they've been following a wrong path altogether. That's the solution for what you're proposing - if a Radiant facing an existential crisis realizes that what they have been following isn't right, they can and probably will break their Oaths. They didn't lead their Orders. The Orders were established just once and since then they stayed the way they were made. Only Nale joined and actually has been leading his order of Skybreakers and as seen, they've changed but still follow the same progression path with the same Ideals. It's more than that. The Nahel Bond is just a bond between a spren and a physical being. Any bond. This includes Singers and their spren, Chasmfiends and Mandras, Ryshadiums and their spren and also Radiants and True Spren (sapient spren). But only True Spren can grant Surgebinding and that's what was made in ancient times - True Spren started to bond humans to mimic Honor and in consequence they've granted humans Surges through that bond because True Spren are living embodiments of those Surges. But the levels of power current Radiants can access is the direct effect of Ishar formalizing the Orders and the Oaths. This WoB below proves that the Oaths were formalized, thus that's why the 5th Ideal is the Final Ideal. I was searching just for a WoB like this.

If the nicrosilmind is unsealed (medallion) then anyone in Cosmere an use it because a medallion gives you also the ability to tap nicrosilminds, if it is just unkeyed then only Feruchemist can use it because it's just a blanked metalminds and you need to be a nicrosil Ferring to tap that. That's all, it doesn't really matter what's inside.

Miles could literally ignore all pain. A gold compounder would be able to ignore strangulation and healing would keep him alive for a very long time (Radiants don't have to breathe - Stormlight keeps them alive - the same would be for any Bloodmaker or gold compounder). That's enough for them to find a knife or blow themselves up with a dynamite stick like Miles did. They would need to be completely restrained, which can be done relatively easily with an Awaken material (Vasher did that to Kaladin), but once they are binded like that, just take out their metalminds, stab them in the heart and cut off their head - that should kill them much faster than just strangulation.

I'm 99% sure that's not possible because Radiants were made and formalized by Ishar. He set up rules and standards which Radiants follow and swearing 5 Ideals is one of them. They follow a thematic path that was pre-established.

No, because Nightblood has his own identity, like Shardblades, so a Feruchemist can't access that, but also Nightblood is already full of investiture - you can't really fit anything more in him. Trying to invest Nightblood would be like trying to invest a Shardblade - which can't be done, they are all already full and the same would apply to any similar object, like Vivenne's sword. Nightblood is the most invested object in Cosmere, even more invested than a Shardblade, he leaks investiture because he can't hold that much of it already. Plus he would try to eat you when you touch him. Nightblood was not a metalmind when he was created: Recently Brandon gave the ultimate answer to questions like this. He ended the decades long debate if a Mistborn can burn a piece of a Shardblade - the answer is a definite no, because living things like Shardblades are no longer treated like metals. The fact that they are alive, sentient and have their own identity prevents you from using them in Metallic Arts - a Mistborn can't burn them, a Feruchemist can't store in them, a Hemalurgist can't use them as a spike. A living metal is just different from a pure god metal which isn't alive, isn't sentient nor does it have its own identity. That's why you can store/burn Atium, but you can't do that with a Shardblade, or in this case with Nightblood.

Awakaner wins easily - just Awaken the cloth to strangle the Pewterarm. I even believe that with enough prep time an Awakener can win against a Mistborn.

Topics like this are really common every year. Just 3 of them from a year ago, a Mistborn vs 3rd Ideal Lightweaver, Skybreaker, or Windrunner, if you're interested to read. Steel Inquisitor would be like this topic Kaladin or Kelsier or Kaladin vs Vin. It depends what kind of Radiant and Inquisitor we're talking about. Was he a full Mistborn before and thus half of his powers are doubled or just a Seeker? Is this HoA Inquisitor with additional spikes or maybe even Marsh with 20-something spikes or just TFE one with only 9-11 spikes? Do they have Atium? What Order is this Radiant? Some orders are more combat oriented and will have an easier time winning like Windrunners or Stonewards, others will probably lose like Lightweavers or Truthwatchers because they're less focused on fighting, but it really depends on circumstances.

We don't know it, it's likely that what you're saying is true. When TLM takes place only Hoid was able to leave Roshar with his Radiant bond intact. So it's possible but you have to do a lot to achieve that.

Not without an external source of investiture like compounding or unkeyed metalminds.

The loss of investiture in diminishing returns is due to compression of attributes. You need to compress this 5% to 10% and that takes investiture. If you have 20 compressions just to get 100% you're gonna lose a lot of investiture and that's why you get only a minute from all of this. It's not about "protection about the dangers of the power" - this was never said to be a contributing factor to the loss and it's likely miniscule. Coppermind:

Not this again. I was going to post all topics of this nature from a recent year or two but @Duxredux did that already. It's spelled Rashek. My opinion hasn't changed, a Fullborn would still win. Tap a lot of steel, to get to Radiant before he even notices you, tap pewter to smash his plate to pieces and punch him in the brain directly, then leech all of Radiant's Stormlight using A-chromium with A-duralumin, killing them instantly. Radiant can't even react to this, even Bondsmith won't be able to react fast enough to manipulate Connections. A Fullborn can use A-electrum with F-zinc and F-chromium to have a reliable future sight, he can even burn A-electrum with A-duralumin to directly see the future like Elend did at the end of HoA. He can use duralumin enhanced emotional Allomancy to paralyze Radiant once the plate is broken. A Fullborn is just op.

It's possible, or rather it's a start, but this doesn't guarantee you will be chosen for the Sheod: If you already are an Elantrian and have F-duralumin, you can tap Connection to Elantris to overcome location limitation of Selish magics and that will allow you to use Aons anywhere:

I've found those references of humming during Soulcasting, WoK ch 5: This doesn't look like Jasnah was humming, rather the stone itself was humming a pure tone. The quote you've mentioned, WoK ch 42: When Venli tried to Stoneshape for the first time it was the stone that hummed the rhythm, not her, and this voice was similar to the one described by Shallan in the first quote. The stone also noticed the tone of Voidlight. I think the tone was the pure tone of Cultivation, but this is just a guess. RoW ch 67: Later Venli attuned herself to the mixed tone of Cultivation and Odium when Stoneshaping - Odium's tone because she was using Voidlight, Cultivation's tone because Venli belongs to Cultivation. RoW ch 83: I don't know which tone the book is talking about. It might be just pure tone of Honor, because they are using Stormlight and they are humans, belonging to Honor (for the same reason Venli tried to attune herself to the tone of Cultivation - she belongs to Cultivation, humans belong to Honor). It might be the pure tone of Cultivation (or pure tone of Roshar itself), because the object, rock for example, belongs to Roshar and that's what the rock is humming and a Radiant needs to attune themselves to this tone. Or it might be a combination of both Honor and Cultivation's tone because they're using Stormlight on the object belonging to Roshar. I think Honor's pure tone is the most likely to be the answer given Venli's example of Stoneshaping and reasons why she was humming a mixed tone of Odium and Cultivation.