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He can still see the Atium shadow of the Shardblade, and see Electrum shadows of himself with his zinc enhanced mind. He’ll be fine. And would he be able to lash himself with an aluminum box up? This might mess up his lashings completely, as lashing works by making virtual mass in SR, and you're blocking the direction of lashing and disturbing connection.

True, but we don't know the population of the world before. Like Era 2 is proving, advanced technology doesn't necessarily mean a huge population. Static society doesn't mean no population growth. I'm mainly referring to the conflict of early years. But then Rashek's obsession on extermination of religion is tricky. In many historical cases, religion dies off when its people die. I see it highly plausible that Rashek persecuted and killed believers of other religions on a massive scale. Speculative. Koloss are notoriously hard to control when enraged, once released on a city, they won't stop after the whole city is dead. Rashek reaction to the whole Luthadel rebelling against him was "I've seen rebellions like that before, I've killed entire armies on my own". It's not just about the amount of people killed during rebellion, it's about destabilization that can cause plague and famine after the rebellion, which killed far more than rebellion. Which was the exact thing that The Final Empire was struggling with after the Rashek death. And there was a time when Rashek tried to end the Empire, whatever it means: TFE and Luthadel fit well with populations of capital cities of late medieval / early modern Europe 1500, England 2.6 mil, London 50k - 2%. France 16.3 mil, Paris 225k - 1.5%, Ottoman Empire 11.5 mil, Istanbul 200k - 1.7%, Grand Duchy of Moscow 6 mil, Moscow 100k, 1.7%. The Final Empire 100 mil, Luthadel 1-2 mil - 1-2%. And I did use the Europe population growth from 1000-1500, thus Luthadel at the year of 1024 fits Europe 1500 capitals perfectly. And the Roman Empire fits this as well. At its peak, ~100 AD, it had 50-100 mil total population, with 1 mil at Rome alone. 1-2%. And the Roman Empire's population was growing up until the crisis of the 3rd century (civil wars and plague hit) on a similar scale to that of late medieval Europe - 0.1% annually. It wasn't a stagnate society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_demography#Demographic_tables_of_Europe’s_population During most of medieval Europe technological progress was slow and there was also no land to expand into, yet the population was growing. Peasants were treated well, but the population was growing. Even in countries with a big slave history (like the Roman Empire - up to 20-30%) the population was still growing.

He did have pewter? Wow, I didn't know.

Well, here we are, back to what we don't know. Maybe, or maybe each metal you're pushing on makes you burn more steel? No idea.

Then yes, you can just do it. But then we're going back to the other topic of yours - how much damage to a soul does a spike that holds 2 or more charges compared to a spike that holds only 1 charge

Yes. I said that there are ways to make you into a monster with a single spike, but in many ways you don't end up as a monster. It depends on intent, and binding point. Not every time you use human attributes it turns you into a monster. Koloss and Chimaras are just the only examples. I don't think we saw for now Hemalurgy granting normal attributes instead of powers, without any nasty side effects. But it is possible to just give yourself an attribute and live normally. I bet there are ways to use the same spikes for making a Koloss on a person, without turning him into a Koloss, but giving him strength from those spikes - it's all about intent and binding points. What about copper Hemalurgy? You want to spike yourself with multiple copper spikes? Giving yourself more mental attributes via multiple spikes won't offset the damage done by those spikes. They would drive you mad.

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Answering original question, yes and no. It depends only on what's in the spike, intent and where do you put that spike. There are ways to create monsters with a single spike (Chimaras), and there are likely ways to make monsters with human attributes in spikes with a single or double spike - if you know what you're doing.

In topics that are about TLM put "TLM" in tags Problems, not that much. but they do "feel" them: TLM epilogue 7:

I don't think there is any division in power, when pushing on multiple objects at once. In Era 1 there were a lot of times when Mistborn or Coinshot were pushing on whole pouches of coins or multiple coins at once, sometimes from greater range, and it was never said that they are weaker, or traveling closer, slower, or less dangerous in any way. Not to mention Vin/Elend using horseshoes or metal tract to Luthadel. Therefore I think it's very much certain that when pushing multiple objects at once, every object is pushed with force, that depends only on the object's mass, Coinshot's mass and distance between them, the number of objects that are being pushed at once doesn't matter. Which makes sense, because Kelsier was pushing on dozens of different objects at once during his fight with Inquisitor, if that would make his individual push weaker, he wouldn't be able to do what he did.

I don't know tbf. But I know that burning and flaring metals aren't the only options, you can burn a bit more than normal but not flare, and burn less than normal. So I suspect that burning steel/iron a little reveals lines, but burning it normally pushes/pulls on them. I can be very wrong here, and you just burn them with normal strength to both see the lines and push/pull on metals. Yes it does, from Coppermind: https://coppermind.net/wiki/Steel You won't push harder on them, because your weight is more important. I also don't thing that range would change, because it should depend solely on your Allomantic strength (Vin vs Zane fight in WoA, Zane was pushing of the coin that was invisible to Vin via steelsight, because Zane had a hemalurgic spike giving him stronger A-steel, thus his range increased). No idea about the amount of metal being burned to push heavier things. I don't think there is even answer to this, I can't find any. Generally your burn rate determinants how much metal you burn, you can burn normally, or flare it, gaining more power, but losing metal faster. As per WoB, you can burn in between etc. I think that heavier object requires you to push on them for a longer period of time (assuming normal burn rate), so you would lose more metal, but that's only because of time you spent pushing it.

That's mostly because they were duralumin burning pewter as well. In many cases they would get serious injuries without burning pewter with duralumin. The pole would get crushed and nailed deep into the ground, absorbing a lot of energy. But yes, Wax can do that, he can become heavier and push himself up, then store weight. I don't remember if he did that in books (he sometimes stores weight after normal push), but going unreasonably extreme like you are proposing is, well, unreasonable and dangerous. You have to also consider landing. Coinshot can only push so far away (30 ft max? Vin pushing alongside Luthadel wall), he would gain a lot of energy, which he would have to lose in a very short period of time before safely landing. That's another reason why you don't want to go that fast. Becoming 10x as heavy would make you go 10x or more as fast later, that's more or less safe. Do that, don't go into extremes.

Meeting informators, spying, meeting with spies, testing defenses of other houses, spreading rumors, hiring people, investigating attacks on their business, protecting their house and their business, or just traveling from point A to point B. Kel and Vin training sessions were very long. There are lots of things for a Mistborn to do at night, that doesn't include starting a house war.

Yes, Jasnah's chapters. And this: Do windspren cause wind, or are they attracted to it? Do captivityspren imprison people, or are they just embodiment of being held captive? For now Willshapers are about freeing captives, but I suspect later they will have to face the idea that some people deserve to be imprisoned, and they need to help them to rehabilitate to reintegrate into society. Or about freeing Singers from Odium's influence. Two options, for the first one captivityspren fit very well, for the second one musicspren. Musicspren fit Willshapers well in general, because of the similarities to their spren.

She is, but I don't think there is any mention of what Truthwatchers normal vision is.

Unlikely to work. You take away the power by spiking a specific binding point in the heart, and you give that power by spiking different binding points. Spike placed in the wrong point won't work. This would cause the donor to have two holes in his soul. While he would regain most of his investiture, 2 tears might cause further mental damage to him In modern times yes, but before Catacendre Ruin was influencing people to the point when they just forgot about huge pieces of metal in their body.

That would work the other way around. If Wax weighs 1 ton, and he is pushing a metal 100 kg in mass, Wax would not move at all, and metal would fly off into the unknown. Why? What is happening when a Coinshot is pushing on something with far lower mass than he has? The object is pushed away, he is not. What would happen if the object would hit a wall/ground? The object would stop moving, and a Coinshot would now be pushing against the mass of a wall/ground, which would cause him to fly. So the enormously massive Wax won't be able to push himself from many things, as there is no anchor massive enough for that, and most would deform because of force applied, and ground would also deform, which basically would make it very hard for Wax to do something like that. If he find one, he will be able to do it. The closest he was to something like that was in BoM (I think) when the train car was disconnected, and Wax jumped out to push it back to the whole train. But again, if he gained a ridiculous amount of speed, air drag would just kill him. So it's a very bad idea.

Possible, but I think it's more likely that this is the general nature of silver, that has this specific reaction in contact with investiture. Silver chains from Threnody are also used to anchor people through cognitive anomalies in CR. So there is for certain something more going on with silver and investiture. Also, Lumar doesn't have to be close to Threnody. Ambition wasn't Splinter there, she escaped Threnody and was Splinter somewhere else, maybe close to Lumar. But I doubt it. It would leave a huge scar in the region, which would be likely mentioned somewhere by Hoid.

Why would you think that? Before Rashek Ascension there was a lot happening. Deepness was killing people and preventing farming, which likely caused famine. Alenthi was waging wars with the whole world for decades, and was called "the Conqueror'', because he defeated and conquered several countries, uniting almost the whole world. Just before Rashek Ascension there would be millions of casualties. And then Rashek Ascended and it just got worse. He spent the first years of his reign to conquer the world once again, and crush all resistance (and there were many rebellions in the early years). The last religion was said to be destroyed around the year 500. This would once again create an enormous death toll on the population. Not to mention drastic changes in the environment would make early farming really difficult, which could cause more famine and further deaths. That's why I think it's best to assume normal population growth, like it was in late medieval Europe. Population rarely stagnates, or declines, the last time the population was in decline in our history was because of the Black Death in the 14th century. And before that it was during and after the Roman Empire collapsed. And because we try to estimate based on almost no data, we need to reach into Earth's history for that data, and go with that. Few last centuries of the Final Empire might have stagnated, but I highly doubt the early ones were like that. Keep in mind after the first century there would be around 4000 Allomancers (with nobles at 10%, from which 210 were Mistborn) alone, all of them would be children, grandchildren and great grandchildren of the very first Lerasium Mistborns. That's a looooot. They were for sure busy at night. I was referring that despite Vin asking Kel "what would happen if they met another Mistborn at night", they never encounter any Mistborn or Misting in the whole first book. Yes, there were far fewer Allomancers at that time, but there still should have been around 10-30 Mistborn in the whole Empire before the House War began. Luthadel was huge, yes, but Mistborn can quickly jump across the whole city in a few minutes. Therefore I think in the early years, in a smaller city, with almost 10x the amount of Mistborn present, such encounters would have happened more frequently (I'm not saying they would fight, just that they would awkwardly meet each other on some roof - <insert spiderman pointing at spiderman meme>). I think that the early House Wars might be less frequent (but more brutal), because of the Final Empire expansions and wars, which would shift the focus of great houses into gaining more land from conquered territory. But that’s very speculative. I agree. In the early years Mistborn would proudly want to show off their powers

Likely, or at least people in Cosmere might think that's possible. I've stumbled on this WoB just an hour ago (or 2, my sense of time is bad): If you can do it with F-iron, you can do it with F-tin.

Yeah, I know, but until confirmed, it doesn't matter. It won't matter even if confirmed, as it's very, very weak, so weak that you don't feel it, your brain does "something", so without compounding you wouldn't be able to do anything with that. But some animals are better at this, so kandra can develop such sense with much greater sensitivity.

That's not a good way to estimate. You're starting by listing all known numbers (one), and then make a long list of unknown. Everything outside of 93 is unknown. That's why I started with the base percent of Allomancers among the population, which includes all of your numbers and works very well with the number 96. All public and secret Allomancers are included in calculations. And those 96 were secret, not public Mistings. But that doesn't matter, with the correction to 10% of nobles (including Ministry), the total number of Allomancers would be around 4500-5000 in the year 300. And because total population of the Empire was around 50 mil in that year, population of Luthadel would be around 0.5 mil, not 1 mil, so that's half the size or more, so half as much soothing stations and Soothers - 48 (if that was introduced at that time at all). Proportion of Mistborn to Misting was probably lower than 1:19, because I can't imagine 200 Mistborn (out of total 264) jumping around Luthadel at night - quite crowded roofs

You're overthinking it a bit. Not every sense is a sense. If you have a sensory organ, you have sense to store. We have thermoreceptors in skin for detecting differences in temperature, you can store that. But we can't feel wetness, our brain does it by examining differences in temperature and touch. Balance comes from your inner ear, where is located a sensory system responsible for sensing your balance, that's a sense to store. That's coming from the combination of your eyes, pressure felt by your body and again, inner ear. So it would kind of be a side effect of storing/tapping other senses, and not a sense of its own. That's proprioception That's coming fully from your sight and touch. That's not a sense. That's a brain deducting from the surrounding area where north is. There is no sensory apparatus in the human body that would provide us with this information. Sense of time is tricky, it mostly comes from outside stimulus (and we all know how easy it is to read just a few more pages and lose an hour or two doing that). That's fully sight. Your eyes have 3 color receptors, from which the brain determinantes what color you see (and to see at all). That's hearing again. Tapping normal hearing would ultimately make you perfectly recognise pitch (didn’t Spook noted how beautiful noises he heard sometimes?).. Yes, because there are seperate receptors for touch and pain in your skin. Bladder is pressure, so it could fall under "touch". Hunger comes from hormones that your stomach releases, no idea how it would work, but there likely are receptors that detect those hormones in your brain, so maybe. Internal pain comes from the same receptros that are in your skin, so that would fall under normal pain: That's what we call seeing. That falls under normal sight. Your eyes are just doing their job detecting light. If there is no light, you can't see no matter how much tin you tap. But you have 2 different receptors (3 to be precise but the 3rd one is weird and does almost nothing), rods and cones, rods are used for dark environments, cones for bright, so technically you could divide your sight to bright vision and dark vision + both of those have 3 separation for being better at detecting RGB colors. For example you could have red+dark vision stored separately from blue+bright vision. Totally pointless, but hey, that's an option. If you tap touch enough you could feel the pressure that light exerts on your skin, as that's a thing that light does, pointless as air is much stronger. You have a physical sensory receptor, you have a sense to store. Some receptors works as a bigger system, providing information for overall sense, like touch, or seeing, so they would be mostly combined together as one sense, not separate (while you can, it's totally pointless to feel just vibrations) That requires intent and knowledge, because you need to know that you have different receptors for touch, pain and temperature to be able to store them separately. Thank you, modern technology, for Google

Conservation of momentum is applied in F-iron and A-steel/A-Iron maneuvers. What you describe is happening in the books, but not on that scale. Wax in BoM in conversation with Khriss confirmed that conservation of momentum is, well, coserved. And multiple times he did store/tap iron to gain/lose velocity. But again, not even close to the speed of sound, with far smaller speeds involved. But going extreme speeds like you propose at the end would cause them to be immediately dead, as they would just burn in the atmosphere (stormlight healing takes time).

In which scene did the size of the sword matched Vin? Because during the entire series she held many different swords. In HoA ch 3, she briefly held a sword of her size, but in WoA, in the scene depicted on the image (and in the WoB below), ch 54 talking with Penrod, at the end of that scene, she picked up a sword a few inches taller than her (Vin is barely 5 ft / 152 cm tall, HoA ch 3). I went through many WoA and HoA scenes with Koloss (searching for the word sword), and I haven't found many mentions of sword's sizes. All that did mentioned it were something like "a sword as tall as her". The description of an sword matching Vin's height isn't necessarily valid, as Vin held many different swords of many different sizes. Most of them very briefly during a fight. Very few of them were 13 ft, one in HoA ch 3. Option 1 is not supported by the book, as it was told that larger koloss required larger swords and they were fighting for them. Option 2 is the only valid option - huge blunt swords are cool (not in my opinion)! Edit: @therunner One of the heaviest swords were almost 6 kg (link by @cometaryorbit), so a Mistborn flaring pewter, who is 3x as strong as a human, would be able to wield that 18 kg koloss blade. Now going back to my calculations for the image, for the smaller koloss, assuming he is 5ft tall: the blade would be 100 cm long and 15 cm wide. With the blade thickness of normal great swords of 7.5 mm, the swords without the handle would weigh 8.8 kg. In the article linked by cometaryorbit, the thickest blade had 11 mm thickness, with this thickness the sword would weigh 13 kg. That's with uniform thickness across the whole blade, and without the handle. For the larger sword: the blade is 160 cm long, and 36.5 cm wide. with 11 mm of thickness it would weigh wooping 50.5 kg. And that's only 7.5 ft Koloss. With 7.5 mm that's still 34.4 kg. And that's only with the assumption that the thickness of the Koloss blade is comparable to real life greatswords.